March 23, 2008
Dino Rossi: Top of the Ticket Party Leader

An interesting take from Jerry Cornfield.

This bit is troublesome though:

Democrats are better organized and hold more elected offices in cities, the county and the region's legislative delegation than in 2004.

The Republican Party, meanwhile, is rebuilding itself and is nearly out of competitive candidates at every level just when Rossi needs them most.

That's terribly true. Republicans on city councils and other such boards are too far between. Those that are there don't always have ambition or cause to run for higher office. And others like me living in unincorporated parts of the county know that running for County Council (3rd District) or a legislative seat (1st District) with an "R" next to their name is not a prudent choice based on suburban trends in the last decade.

Grrr.

All the more reason we need transformational candidates like Dino and Rob McKenna leading the statewide ticket. Republicans who appeal to conservatives and independents...plus a few Democrats too. The effect of imperfect candidates like Ellen Craswell and Linda Smith on the GOP brand with non-hyper partisan voters will take years to rectify.

Posted by Eric Earling at March 23, 2008 08:52 PM | Email This
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1. Not to be rude, but blaming things on Craswell and Smith is too easy and not probably even relevant in this decade.

Posted by: Marlo on March 23, 2008 09:16 PM
2. Marlo -

Craswell and Smith were the tipping point for suburban voters viewing GOP candidates as out of the mainstream and out-of-touch with the issues they care about. Plus, the operative word in the sentence is "like." Those two were examples. It's not as if the GOP has a great track record of running highly appealing legislative and Congressional candidates to improve that image since that point in time, nor have lackluster and/or ineffective campaigns from George Nethercutt or Mike McGavick helped much either.

Posted by: Eric Earling on March 23, 2008 09:34 PM
3. Instead of last-decade's candidates, Republicans should worry a bit more about our failed military occupation of Iraq, our failure to keep the Taliban and Al-Qa'eda out of Afghanistan, domestic spying, out-of-control spending, and -- because of these -- a President with the lowest sustained approval ratings in the history of such measurements. Republicans once believed in smaller government, not in using torture.

Posted by: tensor on March 23, 2008 09:39 PM
4. tensor "should worry a bit more about our failed military occupation of Iraq, our failure to keep the Taliban and Al-Qa'eda out of Afghanistan, domestic spying, out-of-control spending, and -- because of these -- a President with the lowest sustained approval ratings in the history of such measurements. Republicans once believed in smaller government, not in using torture.
Posted by: tensor on March 23, 2008 09:39 PM

Sounds like a partisan twit comment! Liberals are for more socialist... communism... more government
always want to "give to the poor" what a crock! Read some history about the past will tell you about the present! Ploititians will alway appease to your money they can spend on another great program.

Posted by: HW on March 23, 2008 09:59 PM
5. If I was being a 'partisan twit', I would urge Mr. Rossi to embrace President Bush at every opportunity.

Posted by: tensor on March 23, 2008 10:03 PM
6. The GOP needs to go back to its roots. If they'd go back to being the "big tent" platform based on personal liberty, fiscal conservatism and smaller government they would see their numbers increase.

The GOP has an image problem. To most outsiders the party appears to consist of strict Christians. That perception smacks of intolerance and turns people off. But even with that image problem, over the last year or so, Ron Paul animated lots of new and old Republicans on a message of liberty...the traditional GOP platform. The party should pay attention to that.

If you're an active Republican, here's my advice: whenever you see new people showing up at your caucuses and conventions, you shouldn't dismiss them. You should instead, take careful notes on what motivated them to turn out.

I admit that the WA GOP has been a little gun shy of newcomers ever since the Ellen Craswell crowd crashed the party and then promptly left when they didn't win. But, I don't believe the Ron Paul people are like that.

I was at the 33rd legislative convention this weekend where the Ron Paul contingent managed to elect Ron Paul supporters to 7 of the 16 state delegate slots even now after John McCain has tied up the nomination. That to me suggests that Ron Paul's legacy may be to bring his young liberty-mined Republican supporters back to the party. I know this is true, because I'm one of them.

On that note, I challenge the rest of the Ron Paul Republicans to stay active. We should help get Rossi elected. Call the state headquarters and say you want to start up the "farm team" again. We need to take over the party and bring back the big tent.

From what I saw at the legislative convention this weekend, the young Ron Paul Republicans (mostly under 30) could take over the party quite easily, if not just by living longer (the rest of the crowd were retirees). The strict Christians would be more than welcome to stay, but the party focus would be on more traditional party lines.

I agree with Eric that the party is hurting for new talent and I hope my fellow Ron Paul supports will join me in starting up the GOP "farm team" by running for local offices.

Oh and while I'm thinking about it...if the state GOP is going to get a new influx of "traditional conservatives" we should also look into the history of Republicans and the conservation movement.

The GOP's other nasty image problem is that of supporting unfettered exploitation of natural resources. But the traditional Republican view was that of conservation and careful management of natural resources. See Gifford Pinchot and Teddy Roosevelt. Both were strong Republicans and both supported careful management of our natural resources.

I think one of the most effective ways to chip away at the Democratic majority in this state is to reduce the reasons people oppose the GOP platform. Moving back to our roots does that in many ways: pro-conservation would confuse the greens, pro-liberty would surprise the ACLU lefties, non-interventionism would baffle the peace crowd. All are traditional Republican values and all would draw in more voters.

Posted by: blindman on March 23, 2008 10:06 PM
7. This is slightly off-topic, but perhaps germaine to support for less taxation, which I believe is a possibility with Rossi. Just read on the wires that truckers nationwide (about 1,000 and growing so far), are discussing a strike as of April 1. They're going broke because of fuel prices, and ask that federal and state gas taxes be waived so that they can afford to deliver goods. Link is on Drudge. Interesting.

Posted by: katomar on March 23, 2008 10:23 PM
8. Meanwhile, our current House of Representatives is discussing raising the federal gas by 50 cents a gallon!

Posted by: katomar on March 23, 2008 10:25 PM
9. Eric,
I would disagree with your characterization of Rossi being transformational. To me he isn't a bipartisan candidate. If he was, so many here wouldn't be so ga-ga over him. I see him as a traditional conservative, with little appeal to moderates and independants. His saving grace last time as it will be this time is who he is running against. If per se, he ran against Locke or Gardner, he would have been solidly beaten (spread greater than 10% points, e.g., 55-45 election).

The Repubican's problems is they sound too much like many prejudical, intolerant commenters that post here. There are still Republican strong holds on this side of the mountains, but unless Republicans start addressing education and transportation needs, they aren't going to make inroads elsewhere. You can't say cut taxes, cut taxes, cut taxes, and not address the educational and transportation concerns. Let's face it, especially for infrastructure requirements, cutting tax bandwagon get's you no where. What the cut tax crowd fails to see is that an investment in roads and infrastructure will generate more benefits than costs for the long term. It is the same for educating the up and coming workforce. Stop thinking with myoptic, tunnel vision, and develop a long term plan that will address businesses transportation and employee basic education needs for the 21st century.

Posted by: tc on March 23, 2008 10:32 PM
10. A bit off topic but:
tensor "should worry a bit more about our failed military occupation of Iraq, our failure to keep the Taliban and Al-Qa'eda out of Afghanistan, domestic spying, out-of-control spending, and -- because of these -- a President with the lowest sustained approval ratings in the history of such measurements...."

Well Tensor I am in Iraq right now and though things are not perfect they are improving greatly. Remmebr it took our nation the better part of 10 years before we had a government that was actually sustainable. As for you DOmestic SPying comment perhaps you should ask your hero Jim McDermott about that seeing as he is having to pay cour ordered payments to a Republicn over his own "domestic spying". Out of control spending has been a huge issue on both sides of the aisle not just one. And as for Presidential approving rating, it is true that the President is down around 32%, but what about the Democrat controlled Congress being down around 21%? Not quite a stellar proformace by your side either. The only thing I have to agree with you on is that Republican's do need to return to the party of small government; though we all know the Democrats will stop that at every turn.

Now back to the discussion at hand,

There are some candiadtes out there that need our support. They may not seem like they have a chance in Hell to succeed, but if no one tries then we will never know. Even though I am in Iraq I am doing what I can to help out a few of the candidates. I mainly right letters to the editor to try to get the word out about candidadtes and recently one of them was printed in the Seattle Times in support of Steve Beren. We can all continue to just post on this and other blogs about the problems in politics, but what about comming up with some real solutions? If everyone on this Blog were to get involved with a candiadte of their choosing perhaps we could make some inroads.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on March 23, 2008 10:34 PM
11. Calling Dino Rossi a "transformational candidate" is apropos given how he transforms his positions and criticisms based on whatever is Gregoire is doing - i.e. he'll oppose everything she supports, even if his own party's representatives supports it too.

Posted by: Daniel K on March 23, 2008 10:44 PM
12. TC, I would have no problem with school levies for education if it went to true education. But when the schools spend so much money on teaching our kids to put on condoms, "diversity training", and the teachers own political views (instead of teaching them to think for themselves) I would much rather keep the levy monies and send my children to a school of my choice that will actually teach them the basics you are touting (reading, math, sciences, history). As for your comments about roads and infratstructure all I can say to that is we have gotten oh sooo much congestion relief and the viaduct has been fixed. Oh wait, no that is just what we were pormised we would see with the gas tax increase.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on March 23, 2008 10:44 PM
13. True Soldier: You go! Happy Easter, and thank you for watching all our backs over here celebrating the Easter holiday while you place yourself in danger. We owe you our immeasurable thanks.

Posted by: katomar on March 23, 2008 10:53 PM
14. Ad Hominem arguments won't solve the problem.

The question is not whether Smith, Craswell, Nethercutt or McGavick reduced the the appeal of the Republican brandname in Washington, but to what degree and why. These were good political minds, good people, nice people and had good leadership skills. Why didn't they appeal to the Washington voters? But that's a question the party has to ask - and answer - to make sure we don't repeat mistakes.

The question is also whether we have any more credible candidates beyond Dino or whether our bench is being depleted beyond recovery. But you have to ask that question county by county or district by district. Remember a brilliant candidate only applies to the area from which he or she is to be elected. A very popular guy who is a handily re-elected Congressman in the 7th CD, couldn't get elected dog catcher in the 4th. A nice guy and a county party chairman who could knock off the sitting Speaker of the House - for only the second time in over 200 years - could not do well against an intellectually lesser Senator whose constituent services, outreach and understanding of this state are virtually unequalled. She may not be a rocket scientist, but she sure as hell answers the mail. The point is we Republicans seem less able to find the right mix of candidate and district than the D's - for now.

I hate to mention it, but we have to go back to Tammany Hall basics. Training new people and comparing their newly won skills against district, county or state needs. How? In a word: Dino! With Dino we have a great opportunity to bring change to Olympia. Literally. Dino will appoint (as does any governor) some 2200 folks to state jobs and boards and commissions. Some jobs pay zero, some pay $50 a meeting and some pay a salary; some are a pain in the butt and some are intellectually challenging fun - but all give 2200 NEW people experience, savvy, and shine a light on their ability (or lack thereof). Then we will have some more folks from which to choose and match their ambition and interest against district needs. The problem is that we must actually allow the party to have some (smoke filled) room to maneuver. Luke Esser or County Chairs have to look at potential candidates and say yea or nay based on district/county need not candidate ego. Therefore we have to have a long term party structure made of competent leaders who are willing to stay around when other more lucrative callings surface.

Jennifer Dunn provided a Reaganesque picture of stability, strength and grace as the state party chair yet carried a very sharp knife. From then we have Dale Foreman, Don Benton, Chris Vance, Diane Tebelius and Luke Esser each with their own definition of staff and style. No stability. Lets give Dino a chance as Governor to allow Luke the room to get great candidates, by district, that match their district predelictions. That is the way to build a Republican Party that is viewed favorably by the electorate because our flag bearers are viewed favorably by our electorate.

Posted by: Deryl McCarty on March 23, 2008 11:12 PM
15. Issues left out to this point include minor details like incompetence in Republican political infrastructure; a lack of strategy, vision or planning... not to mention precisely zero credible full-time minority outreach, cedeing those voters to the democrats.

I bought into the Rossi shtick last time, and will not repeat that mistake (or effort) this time. It's not that I intend to vote for Queen Chrissy; far from it. She has been an abysmal disaster of a governor, based on her budget increases and chronic lack of leadership alone.

But a "true conservative" would never have supported taxpayer subsidies for the Sonics, any more then a true conservative would support amensty for illegal aliens.

I look back with nausea at the transition team Rossi put into place in 04, and I wondered what the hell I had been supporting.

But all of that is of limited relevance in the face of a chronically inept KingCo GOP that starts statewides out around 160,000 votes behind... election after election.

Combining that with a lack of bench, a lack of vision, a lack of strategic planning, a lack of money, and there is trouble in River City.

And whenever a leftist engages in these types of obervations... "a President with the lowest sustained approval ratings in the history of such measurements," that's where I point out that Bush's ratings make the president look wildly popular compared to our worthless, democrat-led and controlled congress who's managed to get numbers that put a septic tank to shame.

Posted by: hinton on March 23, 2008 11:49 PM
16. Hinton hits another point that's a problem with the GOP.

Hyper critical cry babies or over zealous fanatics. No wonder there is only room for womb to the tomb government agents on a ticket- I'm not over eager to quit my job in the private sector to deal this crap from my own party.

Posted by: Andy on March 24, 2008 12:02 AM
17. "The only thing I have to agree with you on is that Republican's do need to return to the party of small government..."

A small government, by definition, would not send huge numbers of troops to occupy a country halfway around the world. The current administration has been the most activist, expansionist government of my lifetime. The Republican Party will require years, if not decades, to return to a limited-government platform -- if indeed it ever does. Until then, no citizen need take GOP claims about small government seriously. So long as one party will take taxpayer money and use it to provide services, and the other will take an equal amount of taxpayer money for an illegal occupation, domestic spying, and torture, the voters will have a very easy choice to make. And it won't favor the GOP.

Posted by: tensor on March 24, 2008 12:35 AM
18. Tensor, I beg to differ. Many times have smal government types sent huge numbers of troops to foreign coutnries. Reagan built up our Military presence to record levels in Germany to "battle" the cold war. Last time I checked Reagan was a true conservative, so once again you will have to try harder. By the way you still did not answer my comment about McDermott and his proven "Domestic SPying" and how is Iraq an illegal occupation? Bush received Congressional approval to send troops into Iraq and don't give me this we did not have the UN's blessing cause that has been discussed in length here. The UN's own resoultions authorized use of force if Saddam did not comply with the cease fire agreements. Now I know you will go into Bush lied people died, but let us not forget that the Clinton Administration passed on to the current Administration their CIA intelligence on Iraq (dont forget George Tennet was the CIA director during the Clinton Administration and continued into the Bush Administration and made the "it's a slam dunk" statement)which also said their are WMD's in Iraq. So if Bush lied using the same intelligence the CLinton Administration had that means that CLinton must have lied too.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on March 24, 2008 03:21 AM
19. I have to agree with Blindman. The GOP is going to get no where with 'leaders' like Rossi. Rossi does not think government is too big, he just think it can be managed better. The libertarians and independants are not looking for better managers (which they generally do not end up being anyhow) but are looking for people that will actually consistantly vote for and push for smaller government. Rossi is not this person.
As an example he recently made a fool of his party by chastising Gregoire for not pushing for corporate subsidies for the sonics!

Posted by: Lysander on March 24, 2008 05:50 AM
20. There's no chance for Mr Rossi - period! :)

Posted by: Duffman on March 24, 2008 06:45 AM
21. Back to my original thesis. At this point, the old timers should step back and let the young 'uns like Eric step forward and take over the party. By doing that, I realize they will make a ton of mistakes and get me frustrated over a lot of things, but in the long run, I will realize it will be for the better.

Posted by: swatter on March 24, 2008 07:27 AM
22. Read the Cornfield article, I disagree that Rossi is making a special recruiting trip this time around.

He did the same thing four years ago, so this is nothing new.

Posted by: swatter on March 24, 2008 07:31 AM
23. The best way for their to be a change is to replace the Governor. She admitted that her goal for this session in the legislature was "not to lose" by allowing her Democrat majorities to run wild with spending and programs. She put off the "pain" until next session, funding grand programs and expansions in the "out years". Eventually she will have to have an accounting for all of the "investments" that have been made under her watch that apparently only benefit her donor base.

Posted by: Smokie on March 24, 2008 07:46 AM
24. Deryl McCarty mentions that candidates have to have strength in their respective districts. This is so true. In my district, the 26th, so far, it looks like Kitsap County Commissioner Jan Angel (R) will be running for Pat Lantz's (D) vacant legislative seat. Pat decided to retire this year after 12 years of service. Jan has extensive business background and should be a good candidate for the Republicans to put up. There is no word yet on the Democrat side, who will run for Pat Lantz's position. For the other Legislature seat, it will be Larry Sequist (D), who is a first time legislator will be facing Marlyn Jensen, who is a long time business owner and was Pierce County state committewomen. This should be an even race.

I haven't seen word yet as to who may challenge Dereck Kilmer for the Senate seat. Dereck has been very good at meeting the districts needs both before in his legislature position and now in his senate position. He is a moderate, pro-business Democrat, who frequently communicates with all sides in the district to find out what the needs are. Past challengers, such as Lois McMahon, who has lost at least twice to Dereck, probably won't go up for this seat, so it will be interesting to see challenges him from the Republican side. The Republican's best bet may be to convince Jan Angel to challenge Dereck instead and have a weaker candidate run for the open Lantz seat.

This is just the early information from the 26th district.

Posted by: tc on March 24, 2008 07:57 AM
25. I usually agree with you, Eric. But I think you're quite mistaken this time.

While Craswell and Smith had their flaws as candidates, it has been the irrelevance of the GOP in our state legislature combined with a national party that spends like drunken sailors and won't purge corruption in their midst that is responsible for our depression.

Look at the exit polling from the 2006 election and you'll see why we lost. It wasn't because people were frustrated with the right-wingers in the GOP. It wasn't even hatred of Bush or the war in Iraq. It was because more than 30% of evangelical Christians voted Democrat. This was the difference, even Karl Rove admits in when interviewed.

To dismiss the critical importance of the social conservative wing of the party or to blame our current funk on candidates from a decade ago who appealed to them is a fatally strategic error.

This mistake is common among those making an emotional argument, rather than an argument based on an objective and structured analysis.

The latter is what we've come to appreciate about your posts. That said, I think you're allowed a mistake from time to time so no harm, no foul. :)

I mention irrelevance because that describes the GOP from top to bottom the last ten years. What solutions have we offered for the issues that dominate the discussion at coffee shops and kitchen tables?

Republicans in Congress overspent, pork-barrelled like Democrats and didn't make any major progress on issues like health care and our dependence on foreign oil.

Locally we've historically been worse. Legislators who bicker and fight about inside baseball matters and only care about their five or six bills for their districts, refusing to all come together with a cohesive and popular plan to bring about big changes to a broken state government.

I've seen campaign season turn into jockeying for leadership positions by incumbents, rather than a focussed attempt to pick up more seats. Money ends up spent on races with little chance for success because someone made a promise and they want their vote for their favorite committee or leadership spot. Money ends up spent to protect incumbents because they wre too lazy to raise the money into their own campaigns themselves. I'm not placing blame on any one person or group of people, so don't read that into my words. I'm talking about a culture that has evolved into what it is today. We've had a decade of taking our collective eye off the ball and the result has been that we've fallen further into political obscurity.

But things are different this year. Dino Rossi provides leadership and vision, and there are some in the legislature who are stepping forward to lead as well. Leadership in both the Senate and the House has remained relatively stable, which is important so there isn't a new direction every year or two.

We have some of the best candidates I've seen in years running for the State House, and an opportunity or two in the Senate.

On a side not, there might be more opportunities had a couple Senators not voted with the Democrats on domestic partners this year. Brandland and King gave a few Democrats a free pass by covering their votes on this issue and it was not only a bad vote, but a strategic blunder...another example how being a liberal Republican actually cost us opportunity instead of creating it.

It is the vision to be relevant on the issues that matter to people that will get us back on the path to victory, not somehow purging the memory of candidates long forgotten by the voters.

Posted by: Chad Minnick on March 24, 2008 09:36 AM
26. Seems unlikely that the GOP could win this election season given they've vacated 29 House Seats including the one held by the Chair of the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) to the Democrats 9 House Seats.

Nice of the NRCC to appoint quality people to run their Committee, like their treasurer who embezzled several hundred thousand dollars.

Then there's that whole Spokane thing where the Mayor (Jim West) and Representative (Richard Curtis) were both exposed as Gay Bashing closet homosexuals. Think that degrades the eastern Washington vote a bit. let us not forget the massive turnout in Washington Democratic Caucuses this year. All of these factors seem like a bad sign for Mr. Rossi's hopes of taking the Governors office.

Posted by: Cato on March 24, 2008 09:37 AM
27. Oh, and TC, Kilmer isn't up this year. He beat Jim Hines in 2006 to win his Senate seat and those seats are up every four years, unlike the biennial House seats.

I agree that Angel is a solid candidate in that open seat. She's a popular County Commissioner in the Kitsap portion and the Pierce County portion is pretty Republican already. Jensen will make an excellent candidate against Seaquist. This is a great district that wants to be Republican, they've just had some bad experiences in two consecutive bad years for the GOP.

Here's hoping for a GOP sweep in your 26th this year!

Posted by: Chad Minnick on March 24, 2008 09:42 AM
28. TrueSoldier@10,

Take care brother and take heart that I and many others here support you and your mission 100%

God Bless

Posted by: pbj on March 24, 2008 10:24 AM
29. Yote Rossi 2008

Posted by: George on March 24, 2008 11:02 AM
30. Rossi 2008

Posted by: George on March 24, 2008 11:03 AM
31. Yep, Rossi will have to work hard.
Yep, the WA GOP is at a disadvantage (when is the GOP not at a disadvantage?)

BUT, the illegitimate queen has hooked her tail to Barry (just call me BAAAAAHrack, middle name fear bomb CENSORED) OBAAAAAHma with her rousing endorsement and now she gets to be tarred with his dirt.

Oh gee, what a shame.

Also, since the WA libs like to throw every little GOP discretion in our faces with glee, we get to do the same: 5K, #9 Spitzer, I'm Guilty Patersen, 3 way, every way, any way McGreevey, and now 'I did not have sex' Kwame Kilpatrick.

Oh gee, what a shame.

Posted by: Ragnar on March 24, 2008 11:13 AM
32. Will Rossi be able to ride mcCains coattails to victory?

Posted by: Fred on March 24, 2008 11:17 AM
33. Will Rossi be able to ride mcCains coattails to victory?

Posted by: Fred on March 24, 2008 11:17 AM
34. Also, since the WA libs like to throw every little GOP discretion in our faces with glee, we get to do the same

Fine with me, both parties have their problems. Problem with your scandals is that they're not in Washington state where Mr. Rossi is campaigning.

How many people showed up to your caucus this year Ragnar? How many of those who did were minorities?

Sen. Obama seems to still be incredibly popular despite the GOP's anti-patriotic scare tactics (aka politics as usual).

Once in the voting booth will people ask themselves the Reagan question ("Are you better off than you were four years ago?"), should the answer be "No" they might just might be inclined to put a mark next to the box with a (D) next to it.

It's still a long way till November the economy is rapidly hurtling towards recession, taxpayers will likely be bailing out banks, and 65% of America thinks the Iraq War was wrong. Meanwhile you got former GOP Counsel thinking that Sen. Obama would be a good President, seems to me that the American people might want a change of course.

Posted by: Cato on March 24, 2008 12:03 PM
35. Pretty hard to answer that one Cato. Seems to me the Ds are in charge in the state and DC, or did I miss the memo where the Ds were ceding control of the legislature to the Rs.

Posted by: swatter on March 24, 2008 01:19 PM
36. Seems to me the Ds are in charge in the state and DC, or did I miss the memo where the Ds were ceding control of the legislature to the Rs

I doubt they are, seems to me it's yet another bitter partisan political battle. Ragnar is already playing the fear card, and it's only March.

(D)'s have a much stronger base here in WA, than they do in DC. Caucus turnout in this state seemed to confirm that.

Posted by: Cato on March 24, 2008 01:41 PM
37. We'll see if the Barrack [MIDDLE NAME REDACTED] Obama supporters in this state are so excited to come out and vote if Hillary ends up as the nominee. But they were certainly motivated to vote the last time George Bush ran, and Rossi got enough legal votes to win. Gregoire's massive expansion of government isn't going to play well to the people who pay for all that government.

Posted by: Palouse on March 24, 2008 01:42 PM
38. We'll see if the Barrack [MIDDLE NAME REDACTED] Obama supporters in this state are so excited to come out and vote if Hillary ends up as the nominee

Do tell how Hillary end up being the nominee? People still seem like they're going to vote for Sen. Obama despite you're amusing attempts at striking fear into the GOP base (who won't vote for Sen. Obama anyway).

Rossi got enough legal votes to win.

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Guess we all can use a good conspiracy theory to rally around.

Gregoire's massive expansion of government isn't going to play well to the people who pay for all that government.

This coming from a member of the party that submitted a 3 Trillion Dollar budget? The party that spent the formative years of the Bush Administration getting us into the budgetary mess we're in now? Can taxpayers really afford to bail out the banking industry while making Bush's tax cuts permanent?

Hate to tell you, all state Govt's are feeling the coming recession in their budgets, not just the blue ones.

Posted by: Cato on March 24, 2008 02:34 PM
39. Do tell how Hillary end up being the nominee?

Who knows, maybe she'll work some superdelegate magic.

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

No conspiracy theories necessary. He won two of the vote counts. Remove the shenanigans and fr..oops, mistakes after that and he would have won.

all state Govt's are feeling the coming recession

If the recession does happen (still waiting), a 33% increase in state government doesn't help matters. You can't blame that on Bush.

Posted by: Palouse on March 24, 2008 02:46 PM
40. Jerry Cornhole is a useful Democrat idiot

Posted by: Joe Blow on March 24, 2008 02:47 PM
41. Well if you want know what the problem with the GOP is its the "bitching and moaning" that goes on this board versus channeling that energy into actual feet on the street organizing. Where is the transportation plan for 520 Dino?

From his site:
"The Alaskan Way Viaduct and 520 bridge are unstable and dangerous, yet nothing has been done to make these structures safer.
As governor, I will make a decision and bring people together to move an idea forward."

Oh yeah , real ballsy move there. I smell a blue ribbon commission.

Posted by: thereisaGOP? on March 24, 2008 03:31 PM
42. Rasmussen .. read it and weep.

Overall Favorable Ratings for Presidential Candidates

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Looking ahead to the General Election in November, John McCain continues to lead both potential Democratic opponents. McCain leads Barack Obama 50% to 41% and Hillary Clinton 49% to 42%

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Polling Report... read it and weep.

White House 2008: General Election

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Real Clear Politics... read it and weep.

General Election: McCain vs. Obama

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General Election: McCain vs. Clinton

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Ragnar is already playing the fear card, and it's only March.

Do tell, cato, tcr*.
In your little world, what is it I expose as fear? Do you understand the difference between fear and truth?

I'll be waiting cato, tcr*.

Unless of course you mean my fear of having a commmunist/marxist/socialist militantly angry male/female democrap in the White House.... that I'll own.

By the way cato, tcr* when will you have the stones to own your statements? Maybe you should call yourself 'Michelle OBAAAAHma'

*The Closet Racist

Posted by: Ragnar on March 24, 2008 03:34 PM
43. If the recession does happen (still waiting), a 33% increase in state government doesn't help matters. You can't blame that on Bush.

Is that figure before or after inflation is factored in? Mighty convent of you to ignore your own parties excessive spending (US Gov. 2000 - 2006).

Rasmussen .. read it and weep.

Political futures market still show Dem's winning in November (of course it's still March). Even if they don't I personally don't expect either party to play nicely and clear up the mess that Pres. Bush (and his GOP congress) created.

Polls change, I like how neither party has announced a VP yet and your claiming victory. Hate to tell ya Ragnar, it's a long way to November.

Do you understand the difference between fear and truth?

Still playing dodgeball are we Ragnar? When you come up with a valid argument in favor of McCain I'll be happy to talk. Seems like you spend all your time attacking Sen. Obama. You worried your boy Sen. McCain is not conservative enough for you? You are aware that Sen. McCain believes in teaching Evolution and not (the myth of) Creationism.

I'll be waiting cato, tcr*.

Snipe away, I'm not the one linking to articles written by known anti-Semites who claim that Slavery is the best thing to happen to black people.

Besides if you take a literal definition of race then Mr. Buchanan could be considered a racist since he believes his WASC heritage to be far superior to that of the Jews. By proxy then you would be linking to articles written by a "racist".

Posted by: Cato on March 24, 2008 03:58 PM
44. Great peice in the hearld but not completly correct; I am running in the 21st district house as a Republican, my website is briantravis.org

And I'm looking for supporters; no race should ever go uncontested...

Posted by: Brian Travis on March 24, 2008 04:33 PM
45. I have absolutely no need to make a valid arguement for McCain. I will vote for him even though he was not my 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th choice because to NOT vote for him would be to vote against every single thing I stand for. I will vote for him because he mirrors my value system most of the time while the democrap-duo mirror my value NONE of the time.

No you don't link to articles... I suspect it's too much work... but rather, you disparage the authors as 'anti-Semites" all while calling them TOKEN BLACKS, TOKEN JEWS, TOKEN WOMEN...:
February 26, 2008
What WAS Ken Hutcherson trying to say?
#146
Maybe because it's a site of made up personalties like Juanita Gonzales (token hispanic woman?), Jamal McCoy (token black guy?), Gregory Chang (token asian guy?), & Jeffrey Goldberg (token jewish guy?). -Posted by: Cato on February 29, 2008 01:42 PM

What's even more sad is you haven't the stones to even own your words. Well, dude, you will own them if I have to post them as a subscript every single time I type your name. YOU have no right calling anyone anything, Mr Pot.

Posted by: Ragnar on March 24, 2008 04:38 PM
46. Democrats are always promising change. Change change change they say. Hope for change they chant. I agree. Once they get done, you'll hope you still have enough change to ride the bus. But you can always keep on hoping for some change!

Posted by: pbj on March 24, 2008 04:41 PM
47. Obama maintains popularity with the left because if Obama knocked over a bank on the way to a speech, leftist like those posting here would find a way to excuse him somehow.

Where he's getting killed is with independents. Cato and Duffer can keep chanting "this hasn't cost Obama the election" until they're hoarse... but the fact is just that.

Barry (He Whose Middle Name Shall Not Be Mentioned) Obama lost the election the moment Rev. Wright uttered the phrase, "Not God Bless America, but God DAMN America!"

Barry's Bungling and complete lack of judgment makes him out to be a racist buffoon.

So, here's the scenario: The democrats MUST run Barry (He Whose Middle Name Shall Not Be Mentioned) Obama. The Wright situation will GUT him because of his political ineptitude... which buttresses his complete lack of any meaningful experience and total lack of judgment.

And judgment is, according to Barry (He Whose Middle Name Shall Not Be Mentioned) Obama THE critical element on who to elect in November.

In the meantime, you've got a closet racist bigot and a complete liar (So, Hillary... how's that Bosnian sniper fire issue looking for you now?) in the middle of a circular firing squad.

What a hoot!

Posted by: hinton on March 24, 2008 06:40 PM
48. Yep, Hinton, I agree!

Quoting ME @ 25, meet Obahma's new pastor ...

Poor whizz, I don't think your pig likes the listick you're trying to paint on its lips.


The only way Barry (just call me BAAAAAHrack, middle name fear bomb CENSORED) OBAAAAAHma's Rev problem goes away is if the democraps take away his primary win with shenanigans. If he stays the front runner, if he is the candidate, you can bet your lefty behind the rants of his wife and the 2 (so far!) wrong Rev's will be front, center, played and repeated ad infinitum.

If the Whorabullary steals the candidacy that she hasn't won with typical clintonian shenanigans we have a whole NEW debacle to mock and disparage.

In the meantime, libs are muunching on each other while McCain visits foreign leaders. Just in the last 2 days we've seen the competing Donner Party campaigns raise charges of "the blue dress", McCarthyism, who's more patriotic and Whorrabullaries latest "experience" lies.

Really, little libs THANKS!

Posted by Ragnar at March 24, 2008 07:22 PM

This is almost more fun than... well let your imagination run wild!

Posted by: Ragnar on March 24, 2008 07:27 PM
49. What I am finding really funny this cycle is how Hillary keeps lying, improving on her role in history, and getting caught. And then her campaign has to come out and say "Well what she MEANT was..." This latest thing about Bosnia is hysterical. Did she really think that as First Lady, her visit would not be recorded in news clips? For one who would be our President, she has a slight problem with reality.

Posted by: katomar on March 24, 2008 08:43 PM
50. YOU have no right calling anyone anything, Mr Pot.

Haha, this coming from a man who posts links to articles written by known anti-Semites. You crack me up.

What's even more sad is you haven't the stones to even own your words.

Nice of you to take my words out of context once again. =)

Democrats are always promising change. Change change change they say.

Everybody promises change, everyone wants to be different from the person who's currently in office. That's how politics works. PBJ, you should think about retaking that Civics course you failed.

In the meantime, libs are muunching on each other while McCain visits foreign leaders.

Yeah, that went well. If anything it proved McCain can't even tell the difference between a Middle Eastern equiv of a Catholic and a Protestant. =)

Chalk up another win for future Vice President Lieberman!!

Posted by: Cato on March 24, 2008 10:13 PM
51. TC, with a 33% increase in State spending and nothing at all of this increase going to roads?

With a 2.1 Billion dollar surplus now a 2.4 Billion dollar in the hole mess, there is no leadership.

Lack of Money is not the issue, Lack of proper direction is aboundingly evevident.

Posted by: GS on March 24, 2008 10:51 PM
52. Your tired old Peewee Herman impressions getting a bit worn around the edges, cato tcr*

cato, tcr* Sp's very own little wrong Rev Wright thinks he score points when he jumps out of his closet and whines 'nyah, nyah, I know you are but what am I?'

*The Closet Racist.

Why do you call him a CLOSET RACIST, Ragnar?

See post #146
February 26, 2008
What WAS Ken Hutcherson trying to say?
"Maybe because it's a site of made up personalties like Juanita Gonzales (token hispanic woman?), Jamal McCoy (token black guy?), Gregory Chang (token asian guy?), & Jeffrey Goldberg (token jewish guy?)". Posted by: Cato on February 29, 2008 01:42 PM

We call him a CLOSET RACIST because he hides from his own word, he can't admit that he's a racist and won't admit the vile ugliness that spewed from his fingers with that post.

It's actually no wonder that liberals have poor mental health... half the time they haven't a clue what they are spewing and the rest of the time they are hiding from their own words and moving the figurative goal posts till they figure out how to score. But we aren't going to let the truth about Barry (just call me BAAAAAHrack, middle name fear bomb CENSORED) OBAAAAAHma and cato, tcr* be hidden.

Posted by: Ragnar on March 24, 2008 11:13 PM
53. Is that figure before or after inflation is factored in?

That is the increase in the state budget over the last two year period. And that's plenty, so inflation is really irrelevant in this.


Mighty convent (sic) of you to ignore your own parties excessive spending (US Gov. 2000 - 2006).

I haven't ignored it. It's just irrelevant in the discussion of state government. I don't deny that Bush was a liberal spender, and I opposed alot of it. McCain, however, is a true spending hawk, and is actually alot more fiscally conservative than Bush, and that's one of the reasons he has my vote.

Posted by: Palouse on March 25, 2008 08:17 AM
54. @38

Cato, the banking crisis is a mess caused by our private, central banking cartel called the Federal Reserve. The liquidity crisis is the direct result of sinking confidence in banks due to their large percentage of bad home loans in their portfolios. Those bad loans are a result of bad lending practices started in the mortgage feeding frenzy caused by the ultra-low interest rates set by...wait for it...the Federal Reserve!

This is one of the main reasons true conservatives are against the Federal Reserve and fiat money in general. The Federal Reserve was directly responsible for the Great Depression and the subsequent recessions we've had since then. All of them started as liquidity problems caused by bad leveraging and fluctuating money supplies.

The Federal Government's over-spending is also contributing to the economic downturn but the Federal Reserve is the bigger of the two evils. The overspending will only get worse if a Democrat wins the white house. National Healthcare will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Remember how Tennessee's implementation of Hillarycare came withing a hair's breadth of bankrupting that state?

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." Thomas Jefferson in the debate over The Re-charter of the Bank Bill (1809).

Thomas Jefferson was arguing against private banks regulating the money supply and wanted us to go back to strictly following Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution where "The Congress shall have Power...to coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures."

Posted by: blindman on March 25, 2008 03:27 PM
55. If you've ever wondered what happens when a government tries to take over health care, read this article on TennCare.

It is quite funny.

Posted by: blindman on March 25, 2008 03:53 PM
56. Those bad loans are a result of bad lending practices started in the mortgage feeding frenzy caused by the ultra-low interest rates

Actually the loans were started by greed and lack of regulation. People like it when their stock investments go up. People do lots of unscrupulous things to make their stock price rise. Banks are no exception. If Bank's happened to look the other way while giving loans hand over fist it's their own damn fault. They know they will get bailed out in the end.

Now why we're those interest rates so low, could it possibly be related to the Fed trying to save the economy after 9/11? Hmmm.

The Federal Government's over-spending is also contributing to the economic downturn but the Federal Reserve is the bigger of the two evils

That makes perfect sense if you are one of those Ron Paul people who want to go back on the Gold Standard.

The reality is that like anything else in this world the Govt. is not exempt from basic economic principles. Cutting your income while increasing your spending on a credit does not make it a sound economic policy. Eventually your spending on credit catches up and you have to pay the piper. What happens when you don't have the money? Your personal economy severely suffers.

National Healthcare will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Personally, I think a National Healthcare system is a pipe dream and will never be implemented. Whomever wins in November will be spend most of their time cleaning up the economic and military mess left by 8 years of Bush and 6 years of the GOP dominated Congress.

Thomas Jefferson was arguing against private banks regulating the money supply

Does Ron Paul miss you? Shouldn't you be out trying to get Rep. Paul to speak out on YouTube against McCain's economic policies? I guess getting a prime time speaking slot at the GOP Convention is more important. Hate to tell you, neither candidate is not going to put us on the gold standard.

Posted by: Cato on March 26, 2008 05:08 PM
57. @56

Ron Paul is not advocating a return to the gold standard. He is advocating a return to commodity based currency coined and regulated by Congress rather than a fiat currency issued by a private banking cartel controlled by foreigners.

Most people don't realize that the first person to spend a newly printed dollar is extracting wealth from the rest of us when they spend it. Because as soon as the dollar is spent and it enters circulation, it's dilution affect causes it to no longer be worth what it was worth when it was first spent. Those of us--in the lower and middle class mostly--whose assets are primarily in dollars rather than real assets (property, businesses, etc) see their actual wealth eroded at the annual inflation rate. Particularly hard hit are people on fixed incomes.

This is how those who control the banks that control the money supply will "deprive the people of all property" as Jefferson stated. If I take a newly printed dollar from the Fed (or the person they lent it to) in exchange for some goods that I created then turn around to spend it, the dilution affect means that I will receive less goods for that dollar than what I gave up to get it. The difference between what I gave up for the dollar and what I get for the dollar is the inflationary loss I incur by dealing in a fiat currency. It also represents the wealth extracted from me by those who control the money supply.

The devil in the details is that you can't let the money supply stay constant or contract because that can lead to "liquidity" crises like the one that led to the Great Depression that the Fed allowed to happen by not printing more money to prop up the banks.

So the only thing to do is to directly link your currency to the growth of commodities markets. The extraction and conversion of natural resources represents a growth in real wealth. Currency practices tied to the creation of real wealth prevents inflation while allowing the money supply to continually grow.

Oh, and the assertion that the Fed dropped the interest rate to save the economy after 9/11 is completely false. Go to this page and scroll down to the graph titled "30-Year FRM Rates 1971 - 2008:" and you will see that the Fed started rapidly dropping the prime rate in January of 2001...hrm...what happened then? Oh yeah, the dot com bubble burst which was another liquidity crises created by the banking cartel. Shortly after the bubble burst, the dollar fell sharply and foreign companies were able to buy up American hard assets at a discount. Just like they are doing now. Now that the dollar is worth less than the Canadian dollar, Canadian companies have been buying up American businesses like crazy.

Facts are always better than speculation.

Posted by: blindman on March 28, 2008 09:37 AM
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