March 07, 2008
What say you Mrs. Earling?

You'll pardon my absence since my last post, I've been doing some extra housework.

In all seriousness, I'm a perfect example of the trend discussed in that story. Of the housework part at least. With a wife in class three nights a week and needing study time on the weekends, I spend a healthy chunk of my non-work hours carting kids to activities, preparing meals, doing laundry, reading bedtime stories, etc., etc. (with a blog post here and there for good measure).

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Now, if I could just get the report authors to define "more"...

Posted by Eric Earling at March 07, 2008 07:21 AM | Email This
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1. Good training Eric...and the 'bonus' ain't bad, eh? Did same when wife worked and we were trying to get kids thru college...can relate! :)

Posted by: Duffman on March 7, 2008 07:25 AM
2. Just teasing Eric, but who gets called upon when there is a problem with the car, or if the roof leaks, or the toilet backs up?

I imagine it's you.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on March 7, 2008 12:01 PM
3. The study is just massaging of data designed to make men look bad. The glass ceiling is a myth. Read Thomas Sowell's "Facts and Fallacies" for a debunking of that myth and others.

The reality is that each family reasonably distributes workload and if there are any imbalances, they are individual any not systemic. Why? Because the study doesn't address the total picture of who the primary breadwinner is, or the hours of each parent, or the other non-housework related tasks that Bill notes, etc.

It is easy to make men look bad if that is the intent, but its not science, nor is it good policy to denigrate one sex for the sake of another. It takes all kinds and all levels of activity to make up the world. And there is no right or wrong in the division of domestic labor. There is only functional and dysfunctional. If you don't like your siuation, then make better choices or ask a reasonable partner for change. But don't whine to some BS sociologist wasting grant money trying to stir the politcally correct pot.

Posted by: Jeff B. on March 7, 2008 12:36 PM
4. Hey Eric
I went through that crap 15 years ago. I took over the cooking, cleaning, parenting, check book, laundry and taxi service. It took six years for her to get that math degree. Now she is an actuary. Pretty good up tick in our income. Low and behold, I did a pretty good job at that stuff. She has finally taken over doing the laundry again. I still do the rest of it.
Good luck

Posted by: chucks on March 7, 2008 12:44 PM
5. All that...and selling motor homes and blogging herein and elsewhere...not too shabby there chucks! :)

Posted by: Duffman on March 7, 2008 01:30 PM
6. May a woman comment? I agree with all you guys. My hubby and I both work full-time plus overtime. Lots of housework simply doesn't get done until absolutely necessary. He cooks, he cleans up after himself, he works the stereo, he does all his own laundry, etc.
I just absolutely get upset at advertising that has a not-so-subtle male-bashing message (both Lowe's and Home Depot for two). And I also get upset when reading articles, even in the Wall Street Journal, where it is assumed that the best place for a woman is in the board room. I have no children, but I do not agree.

Posted by: Carol Kujawa on March 7, 2008 02:12 PM
7. "..where it is assumed that the best place for a woman is in the board room."

Carol..w/that be 'ironing' board room... (just kidding..) :)

Posted by: Duffman on March 7, 2008 02:26 PM
8. I might suggest Earl, that airing a quantity complaint might not get you the desired effect from your wife... I might also suggest you watch out for frying pans! :)

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on March 7, 2008 03:49 PM
9. Why should women get all the fun? I liked reading stories to my kids. I miss that. I read them the first 4 Harry Potter Books; my son still says he likes my Hagrid voice better that Robbie Coltrane. :-)

The real problem is that many women want men to help with the housework -- no problem there -- but then micromanage and nitpick the housework and childcare. Examples:
* Toilet paper up or down? (Who cares?)
* Criticise Dad because she didn't like the color combination of the
8 y.o. boy's trousers & shirt; and
* Crtiticise Dad because 8 y.o. son's underwear didn't match his outerwear!

Posted by: DaSarge on March 8, 2008 08:52 AM
10. Why should women get all the fun? I liked reading stories to my kids. I miss that. I read them the first 4 Harry Potter Books; my son still says he likes my Hagrid voice better that Robbie Coltrane. :-)

The real problem is that many women want men to help with the housework -- no problem there -- but then micromanage and nitpick the housework and childcare. Examples:
* Toilet paper up or down? (Who cares?)
* Criticise Dad because she didn't like the color combination of the
8 y.o. boy's trousers & shirt; and
* Crtiticise Dad because 8 y.o. son's underwear didn't match his outerwear!

Posted by: DaSarge on March 8, 2008 08:52 AM
11. I hear ya, DaSarge. But I would posit that the very things that you call micromanagement and rub you the wrong way stem from the female drive to live in a more orderly and beautiful world.

If it were not for the women in our lives, we would all eat meat chili, live in unpainted sheet-metal homes and wear animal skin robes.

It's a slippery slope and that's why the little things matter to our wives. Today it's junior going to school in mismatched clothes. Tomorrow it's beef jerky for lunch. The next day the family moves into a cave.

Personally, I'm a big fan of my woman.

Posted by: Chad Minnick on March 8, 2008 10:00 AM
12. Can one of you tell my wife I said that? :)

I'd tell her myself, but I'm too busy vaccuuming the carpet.

Posted by: Chad Minnick on March 8, 2008 10:03 AM
13. Crud. I can't even spell vacuuming right. You'd think I went to public school.

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Posted by: TrerSycle on March 8, 2008 12:08 PM
15. Just baitin' the Geez, aren't you youngster.

Geez studies this, and talks this subject in his sleep.

If men have to clean the toilet to get laid, they need to take inventory, and be sure their cajones are in place, not in momma's purse.

Now that I have your attention, I don't care how you parse it at your house. Divvy it up any way you agree too. But no whining about men not helping around the house.

Here is why.

Where is the discussion about the little woman changing the oil in the car? Cutting the lawn? Fixing that leaky faucet? Removing that dead rat in the garage?

Eh, Bunky? Show me, show me!

I will be napping while I wait.

Men have always been equally equipped to care for their children, with a complementary style and skill set to momma. In fact, men can even nurse, if you check it out. That said, they teach their kids different skills that kids need. They teach there is more than "one right way". They teach independence, and a plethora of other skills.

But here is the real deal.

Compare total time committment to maintaining the family. Not just housework, or child care.

Wimmin' work on the average 35 hours per week. Men 50 hours. Women work within 18 minutes of home, often with an "off hours" commute. Men commute an average of over an hour. Wimmin' leave at quitting time, men stay to finish what has to get done. I know, because I stay while my equivalent female colleagues bag out.

Men have more stressful, dangerous jobs, longer commutes, work longer hours, and they should do 50% of the housework?

Bullbleep. Boot the little woman, and hire it, it is cheaper.


Truth comes in fast, and lands hard.

I don't care if the authors agree with me or not, or I with them. But I do expect them to tell the truth, and any discussion of housework equality, without a complete parsing of other differences in time/effort in the household is bogus, false, specious and fallacious.

Geezer out!

Posted by: The Geezer on March 8, 2008 07:55 PM
16. Just baitin' the Geez, aren't you youngster.

Geez studies this, and talks this subject in his sleep.

If men have to clean the toilet to get laid, they need to take inventory, and be sure their cajones are in place, not in momma's purse.

Now that I have your attention, I don't care how you parse it at your house. Divvy it up any way you agree too. But no whining about men not helping around the house.

Here is why.

Where is the discussion about the little woman changing the oil in the car? Cutting the lawn? Fixing that leaky faucet? Removing that dead rat in the garage?

Eh, Bunky? Show me, show me!

I will be napping while I wait.

Men have always been equally equipped to care for their children, with a complementary style and skill set to momma. In fact, men can even nurse, if you check it out. That said, they teach their kids different skills that kids need. They teach there is more than "one right way". They teach independence, and a plethora of other skills.

But here is the real deal.

Compare total time committment to maintaining the family. Not just housework, or child care.

Wimmin' work on the average 35 hours per week. Men 50 hours. Women work within 18 minutes of home, often with an "off hours" commute. Men commute an average of over an hour. Wimmin' leave at quitting time, men stay to finish what has to get done. I know, because I stay while my equivalent female colleagues bag out.

Men have more stressful, dangerous jobs, longer commutes, work longer hours, and they should do 50% of the housework?

Bullbleep. Boot the little woman, and hire it, it is cheaper.


Truth comes in fast, and lands hard.

I don't care if the authors agree with me or not, or I with them. But I do expect them to tell the truth, and any discussion of housework equality, without a complete parsing of other differences in time/effort in the household is bogus, false, specious and fallacious.

Geezer out!

Posted by: The Geezer on March 8, 2008 07:58 PM
17. Geez, That P-I article has run annually in one form or another since the 1970's.

The theme? Women good. Men bad. Remember that lovely phrase, "a woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle"?

It's the same junk liberals relentlessly shove at us under the guise of "news". It isn't news at all, it's their agenda.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on March 9, 2008 08:09 AM
18. As a traditional wife and mother, I must say that I have the better end of the deal. The bonus is quite nice too, in quantity and quality. "Modern" women don't know what they're missing.

Posted by: Michelle on March 9, 2008 10:20 PM
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