March 05, 2008
Gregoire vs Rossi Rasmussen Poll

A new poll from Rasmussen Reports has been released showing Dino Rossi ahead of Gov. Christine Gregoire 47 percent to 46 percent among a survey of 500 likely voters.

Numbers geeks can see some of the details here.

Both candidates have similar favorable ratings; Rossi 52 percent, Gregoire 51 percent.

You can't put too much stock in polls taken in March but these results are indicative of how close we all know the race is. It's a toss-up. Previous polling numbers released have shown Rossi within the margin of error a couple points behind the incumbent.

This is the first poll during the 2008 election cycle showing Rossi with an actual lead however slim. Previous numbers showed him anywhere from two to six points behind.

What will be telling is if Rossi manages to build and extend a lead throughout spring and into summer. If this happens the Evergreen State could see another historic governor's race in the fall.

Extra: For what it's worth Rasmussen shows John McCain ahead of both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in Washington. McCain bests Obama 45 percent to 44 percent; McCain 48 percent to Hillary 40 percent.

These presidential telephone poll numbers certainly defy local conventional wisdom.

Posted by DonWard at March 05, 2008 11:04 AM | Email This
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1. Don, would that be 500 likely (legal) voters? :)

Posted by: Duffman on March 5, 2008 11:43 AM
2. With the Democrat disasters involving the ferrys, highways & congestion, tolls, car license increases, attempts to get initiatiaves overturned, lax sex predator laws... I don't see how this isn't a slam dunk for Rossi.

Posted by: scott on March 5, 2008 11:45 AM
3. I fully understand statistical sampling and why 500 is enough to base a sample, but sometimes it would be nice to know how accurrate the 500 sample size actually is (e.g., percent of certainty and sampling error rate, like they are 95% confident based on this sample size and the error rate is +/- 5 percentage points). Even the actual article doesn't provide this additional statistical data, which is present in any sampling.

Posted by: tc on March 5, 2008 11:47 AM
4. Your guess is as good as mine Duffman.

I've always wondered when they use the term "Likely" voter whether the pollsters mean it in a Shakespearean sense.

However, I've always found telephone polls to be weighted slightly in favor of Democrats. Older people tend to vote Democrat, they're more likely to be at home and they're more likely to rely on land telephone lines which pollsters use to conduct these polls.

Just my thought.

Posted by: Don Ward on March 5, 2008 11:50 AM
5. I'm curious why it is even close.

I'm guessing it is because campaign season has not even begun for the general public as far as the governors race goes.

Posted by: Andy on March 5, 2008 11:53 AM
6. ...with you on that 'Andy'; I would have thought our present Governor to be waaaay out in front :)

Posted by: Duffman on March 5, 2008 12:02 PM
7. I wonder if Gregoire's stock will go down once it is more widely known that the Democrats are suing the government because they can't raise taxes as easily as they want?

Posted by: SouthernRoots on March 5, 2008 12:07 PM
8. In the end Fraudoire will win by a comfortable margin because of 58% Democrat identification in WA state.

Posted by: FreedomLover on March 5, 2008 12:11 PM
9. Andy, the poll just came out and they have not had enough time to find the extra needed votes yet.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on March 5, 2008 12:26 PM
10. This is not a good poll for the incumbent. Anything under 50% is a disaster. The thinking goes that since the incumbent has been in office, everyone knows who they are. The undecided voters usually have an opinion on the incumbent, are not sold to vote for the incumbent and break for the challenger. The favorable rating of 51% for Gregoire is marginally helpful. A favorable rating over 55% or close to 60% would give confidence that the undecided voters not totally break for the challenger. All in all, with WA being a democratic state with a dem governor, it most likely will be a close race. If WA was a Republican state I would say the incumbent was toast.

Posted by: MarkN on March 5, 2008 12:31 PM
11. And don't forget, most polls are Dem skewed by the MSM. And that's just fine. It's going to be fun to watch aggro Dems like Goldy go nuts the day after the election trying to figure out why Rossi won, when all of their Blue sources said Gregoire was just fine.

The pendulum in this state has already reached its leftward extent. People are just beginning to wake up to the Progressive disasters of transportation and education mismanagement and overspending. Once people start really tuning in, especially the hard working people that don't pay any attention to politics because they are too busy being productive, it's Rossi by a margin.


Posted by: Jeff B. on March 5, 2008 12:41 PM
12. I don't know what local conventional wisdom you are referring to, but McCain will be VERY competitive in Washington. Heck, Bush didn't even do that bad here, getting 46% if I remember correctly.

Keep in mind, Bush is pretty much the stereotype of everything you DON'T want to be as a Republican running in Washington, that is, he's part of the establishment, he comes from wealth, he's vocally religious, and talks in a very laid-back "Joe Six-Pack" style.

That's basically everything you don't want to be as a Republican in Washington state. You need to appeal to secular moderates and blue-collar union folks, and that is exactly what won't do it.

McCain on the other hand, is very quietly religious, is clearly not part of the establishment, and is seen as a maverick. He's tailor made to win Washington.

He'll crush Hillary like a bug in Washington IMHO. Obama...that'll be tougher, but he's certainly got a shot.

Anyhow, the Rossi thing confirms what we already knew: Gregoire is in trouble, it's going to be a VERY close election.

Posted by: cliff on March 5, 2008 12:41 PM
13. where did they do this poll eastern washington? btw.. rossi's campaign mgr is my daughters best friend

Posted by: linda on March 5, 2008 01:15 PM
14. cliff:

How do simultaneously appeal to secular moderates and blue-collar union folks? Unless you tailor your message to each and hope the other group didn't hear your other tailored messages to know you're a lying, scheming manipulative politician...

Posted by: FreedomLover on March 5, 2008 01:17 PM
15. If it turns out to be that close, Rossi is toast. The only way for a Republican to win a major statewide office is to win in a landslide. That way even King Ron can't pull enough magical ballots out of his ample A$$ to sway the results.

Posted by: Gene from Woodinville on March 5, 2008 01:27 PM
16. FL,

First off, there is a not insignificant overlap between the two. There are a lot of secular, hard-drinker type blue collar workers.

Second, for those that don't overlap, it's difficult. That's why Republicans so seldom win in Washington. Bush's biggest problem was that he appealed to the Washington variety of neither blue collar union workers no .

It can be done, however. It's not really about issues so much as it's about personality. A lot of the blue collar union workers are very pro-military, Everett, for example, while very blue, is not part of the code pink crowed. McCain's military experience will be very helpful there. Secular moderates like McCain's anti-establishment bent, and frankly, a lot of the things some Republicans don't like him for, i.e. CFR, calling Jerry Falwell an "agent of intolerance," (before making good with him prior to his death), etc.

Posted by: cliff on March 5, 2008 02:17 PM
17. This may well come down to coattails for Gregoire. If Obama's at the top of the ticket, she might have a chance. If it's Clinton, she might as well start packing her bags now.

No wonder she endorsed the way she did in the primaries.

Posted by: Coattails on March 5, 2008 02:56 PM
18. With the latest BS about throwing I960 to their liberal court to get it overthrown, aft the majority of the people, Democras and Republicans in this state said we want control of the massive spending these Democrats are doing, Rossi will have a great time.


Their greed (especially in an election year) will be their undoing.

Posted by: GS on March 5, 2008 03:11 PM
19. With that poll, looks like the democrat smear machine could be concocting another way to throw up on the R candidate to shave a few points off.

Posted by: Michele on March 5, 2008 03:13 PM
20. Michele, speaking of "shaving" a few D points off - The Stranger is reporting ST is poised to put another limitless regressive tax grab on the ballot. Chrissy's gonna regret that. It'll probably cost her the Governor's mansion.

Once the full cost numbers are calculated out, they'll be big enough to gag a horse. The FACT that the great bulk of the money would be dumped into light rail which only 1 per cent of the voters ever would use on a regular basis is a slap in the face of people in this region.

Couple that with increasing inflation, an economic slowdown, and Olympia already saying it needs to raise taxes for other things because the supposed surplus just vanished - well, I'd say DR's chances just increased a good bit.

Posted by: Grappo on March 5, 2008 05:37 PM
21. Party bosses always like to say 'this is a VERY IMPORTANT election' but this time it's true. Rossi is the only hope against the runaway tax-n-spend trend that threatens to ruin the state.

If the present arc continues, they WILL eventually find a way to push thru an income tax and turn WA into CA.

I remember when CA truly was the Golden State. Growing up in the midwest, the dream of relocating to CA crossed everyone's mind at least once. Now, people leave CA in droves. A survey found that 1 in 4 residents of LA County wanted out.

Posted by: russell garrard on March 5, 2008 05:40 PM
22. Gregoire and Clinton are both queen's of the buck stealing. They deserve to both be swept away together to the dustbins of history

Posted by: GS on March 5, 2008 05:44 PM
23. Rossi's going to need a bigger lead than that, to battle past the King County (s)election machine.

Posted by: Ed on March 5, 2008 06:11 PM
24. Duffman - I tried to think of snarky comeback for the past 3 hours while I drove home on 520, 405 and I-5 at 25 MPH.

Nothing came to mind. Go figure.

Posted by: Andy on March 5, 2008 07:45 PM
25. That tells me the election will be up for grabs, barring any unforeseen changes before Election Day. If the leftists of Seattle and thereabouts want to be gloat about her being a shoo-in and be out of touch with what other folks really think (those who have critical thinking skills and aren't shaped by the MSM) that's their prerogative.

Posted by: KS on March 5, 2008 09:59 PM
26. tc-
as an fyi, the actual article does contain the methodology..look below the article, the grey fine print. all of the surveys contain that paragraph to show statistical error.

Posted by: Gina on March 6, 2008 05:58 AM
27. Gina,
Thanks! I didn't notice that. You would think they could use print a little darker. I don't mind the fine print (it should be footnoted in the text), but the light gray font color really makes it blend in.

For those others that may not have caught the note at the bottom, the +/- for the poll was 4.5 points, which mean's either candidate could possibly be above 50%. Also, that the confidence level in the amount is 95%, which I believe is two standard deviations (stats experts, correct me if I am wrong). This really means to be 99.7% accurate (three standard deviations), the spread would most likely double. The bottom line is the poll is a rough measure, but not necessarily a totally accurate measure. Good for basic polls, but still a lot of variance.

Posted by: tc on March 6, 2008 07:23 AM
28. where was Rossi polling at this time in 2004? Now granted he should be doing better then he was at that time due to his name ID but once this thing gets rolling, after labor day, I do not believe it will even be close. As much as I dislike McCain, I do believe McCain is the best candidate for the R's this time around and will help tremendously with candidates that are down the ticket.

Posted by: jk on March 6, 2008 04:10 PM
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