January 24, 2008
Let's Help KUOW's Gang Of Four

I came back from Britain feeling charitable and decided I should offer some help to the gang.  And I hope some commenters will join me in helping these four journalists understand one of our great problems.

The gang often discusses transportation problems in this area (though they seldom mention any boring numbers) and agree broadly on two points.  There are serious transportation problems in this area, and we have had them for at least twenty years.  After that, they get vague.  They seldom blame any particular elected officials or bureaucrats for these problems.  (I can't recall even hearing them blame President Bush, amazing as that may seem.)

Let me start with a generalization so well known that I am almost embarrassed to mention it:   Almost always, governors are the main leaders on transportation policy in their states.

For reference, I will list Washington state's governors for the last twenty years:

I have added a hint for the gang, after each governor's name.

Should I add more hints?  Well, just one more.  In 1972, as everyone familiar with American politics knows, the McGovern forces took over the Democratic party.  But that's enough hints for the gang, at least from me.

But feel free to add other hints for the gang, especially if you do it in a charitable way.  Let's treat them as if they actually wanted to understand our transportation problems, but just hadn't come across the right information.

Posted by Jim Miller at January 24, 2008 07:06 AM | Email This
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1. In line with previous post, I think KUOW's 'gang of four' should be enlarged to a gang of 'eight' so they can be doubly indecisive. :)

Posted by: Duffman on January 24, 2008 07:18 AM
2. Actually Jim, in seriousness I think that 'milk-toast' way of presentation is sometimes more refreshing and welcome than commentators and analysts who obviously display political bias, like Fox. I can hardly listen/watch them any more because of this. Their 'slant' is so obvious that I get turned off and tainted by it to the point that I discount their content.
Just give me the unbiased facts as best you can and let me process accordingly. Practical suggestions for 'fixes' YES, political one's..NO!

Posted by: Duffman on January 24, 2008 07:34 AM
3. There are solutions but they are too cheap. It appears that most elected officials want mega projects. Instead of fixing choke points and improve traffic flow. In 2002 they were talking less than a billion dollars would cut rush hour time nearly in half. The key was fix the choke points. The temporary fix for 167/405 interchange improved traffic flow through that area and less backup. Fixes like that can make a big difference on the amount of time we have our rush hour covers.
there can not be any solutions discussed because our transportation problems are controlled by these same politicians. They make it a political issue their failures are never mentioned. Blame the tax payers. The responsibility of our politicians is Infrastructure develolpement, Police, Jails and emergency services like fire/ambulance. But we have to fund all of these from special taxes. These are core responsibilities instead Social programs get all the money and if more money is approved for fixing roads less money from general fund will be used for core responsibilites. Look at the Car Tabs. Everyone one but roads had their hand in the car tabs fund. Politicians just move the money around and never fix anything. Always talking in conference about fixes but never leaves the conference room. Yet Social programs get a lot of attention and expanded every year.
Understand Since Mcgovern wing took control it is Social first. Everything else ignored. IF problems get too hot then ask tax payers to pay more in taxes to pay for Police. Pay for Jails. Pay for Courtrooms to handle all the criminals.
Transportation is very important if you want to keep jobs in the area. If you can not move goods from Point A to Point B efficiently then you lose some Manufacturing jobs. Look at Boeing over the last Decade. Roads is one of the issues that has caused them to talk to the State about in the last few years. It is essential for them to have roads that allow the parts get to them on time. If you do not have them they will build elsewhere.
But again even with these warnings over 5 years ago they have done nothing but blame taxpayers for not agreeing to give 75% of every dollar for transportation to Mass Transit Projects. Will these mass transit projects move goods to Boeing efficently. No Our transportation infrastructure is a mess caused by Politicians that do not care about roads but want to spend billions on Mass Transit. And remember as each Mass transit project comes on line It only causes more tax payer money to be diverted to pay to keep it running. OPerating costs for all the systems are subsidized by the tax payers which means they need more tax dollars to keep them rolling and less money for transportation repairs of our ailing bridges and roads. Unless we agree to pay more taxes that they can divert more money to pay for more Mass transit systems. The endless cycle get less and less for what you agree to pay for.
Case in point the last gas tax bill was suppose to pay for 520 bridge. Claims then less than a billion dollars to build. A few years later we are looking at what 2 to 5 Billion dollars. Who knows when we will find out the real cost for that project. transportation is a mess because Politicians do the feel good get vote solutions and not fix the problems. If they were honest with the public their stupidity would be seen by all. And they would not be reelected. Instead of hard choices they ignore responsibility for the problems that grow each year because of their inaction.

Posted by: David Anfinrud on January 24, 2008 08:02 AM
4. Duffman
Fox. I can hardly listen/watch them any more because of this.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Let's see and CNN and say NBC & CBS doesn't.
Please......

PS welcome back.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on January 24, 2008 08:05 AM
5. AM/V..agreed, indeed - guess they 'couch it' better. Thanks.

Posted by: Duffman on January 24, 2008 08:11 AM
6.
The "Puget Sound" should have naturally spread out to the whole of Western Washington a long time ago. But the Centralists wanted to maintain their Lib bastion. The idea of free indepenent communities, linked by personal transit is anathema to their dreams of bureaucracy.

Posted by: John Bailo on January 24, 2008 08:20 AM
7. @3 I agree that the choke points need to be fixed but so far the "fixes" have only had marginal success. Here are the choke points that still desperately need attention:

1. 167/405 interchange. The cloverleaf for heading south from 405 to 167 must be removed. The bulk of the traffic comes from 405 to 167, so let's make a 2 or 3 lane overpass from 405 south over 405 and then down to become 167. The connection from Renton would then be reduced to 1 or 2 lanes that must merge with the lanes from 405 south. Right now it is the people from 405 south that must do a full cloverleaf and then go through a crossover merge into 3 lanes coming from Renton. As for 167 to 405 northbound, there should be at least 2 full lanes merging with 405.

2. Hwy 18/I-90 interchange. Same deal here, there should be high speed lanes going between Hwy 18 and I-90 in both directions. This interchange was recently "upgraded" so that people going from I-90 east to Hwy 18 south have to exit to a stop light at the end of the ramp. It backs up 2 miles in the exit lane on I-90 every day at 5pm. People should be able to exit I-90 at full speed in a lane that becomes Hwy 18 south. The road from Snoqualamie needs to do the merging, not the other way around.

3. Renton S curves. Why haven't these been straightened yet? Seriously, pay the property owners 120% of their fair market value, bulldoze a straight line from Renton City hall across the Cedar River valley to the far hill; straight as an arrow.

4. The DOT needs to start a campaign to elliminate all on-ramps and off-ramps into and out of the left lanes of all our freeways. I-5 from southcenter to downtown is particularly bad. Those left lane interchanges completely eliminate any "through" lanes since both sides of the freeway become "exit" lanes full of cars exiting and merging at slow speed.

5. Push the I-5 express lanes an extra half mile so that they happen south of the I-90 interchange. Then divide it into half north, half south and keep them open for traffic in both directions all of the time. That would create "bypass" lanes through downtown in both directions and would eliminate the tricking "switchable" on/off ramps right at the choke point in downtown.


Posted by: blindman on January 24, 2008 08:49 AM
8. I agree with David A. I'm an Engineer. There are solutions to transit problems. And sometimes they are not really all that expensive. It's more about studying the choke points and flow, and getting creative, and less about trying to find funding for mega-projects.

If KUOW's gang is serious about transportation issues, then they should look at the many creative ideas from local bloggers, engineers, and concerned citizens on the ground in traffic, etc. To start, they could look at the "Transportation Ideas" page compiled by Orb at OrbusMax.com. And there are plenty more sources for common sense and relatively cheap ways to reduce congestion. Finding them only requires a web browser and and openness to new ideas.

But I don't think that's what our Left Leaning Press and Leadership really want. There's an anti-car sentiment in the region. And I think that lobby will strong arm even any sensible Democrat leaders who try to propose some simple, immediate and effective solutions to transit problems.

The ideas are out there, it's the leadership that is lacking. If KUOW is honest, they will challenge our leaders to take a look around. I think that Robert Mak might be capable of such objectivity and real journalism, but I have little faith in the Gang of Four.

Posted by: Jeff B. on January 24, 2008 09:00 AM
9. We need more taxes.

Gas tax won't be enough to keep promises


"Most of that potential shortfall stems from an 11 percent increase in the cost of construction supplies between 2002 and 2006, including a 30 percent increase in 2006, Kuper said.

OK, we have increased costs.

"The shortfall can't be blamed on the state Department of Transportation, said Rep. Judy Clibborn, D-Mercer Island, chairwoman of the House Transportation Committee.

"I think from a project delivery standpoint, they can crow," she said. "They're finishing their projects on time and on budget."

But, we're finishing projects on time and on budget.....

"Now the state is running short of money to pay for everything. The reasons: Drivers are buying less gas than expected and it's costing the state more to build projects than estimated."

But, we're running low on funds.....

Do we at least get credit for reducing carbon emissions? Of course, if some in the Legislature get their way, we would have increased gas taxes that would have nothing to do with improvements in roadways, and really wouldn't do much for transportation in general.


"Originally the nickel tax package was to end by 2038. The Legislature last year decided that taxpayers will have to pay that tax until 2042 to cover the revenue shortfall, he said. The 9.5-cent per gallon tax hike has no sunset date.


"Sunset Tax" is an oxymoron.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on January 24, 2008 09:03 AM
10. The transportation mess is not the fault of Lowry, Locke, or Gregoire. It's Bush's fault.

Posted by: russell garrard on January 24, 2008 09:07 AM
11. #10 An astute determination, but you must excuse him somewhat because of faulty intelligence (his own) :)

Posted by: Duffman on January 24, 2008 09:11 AM
12. OK you two kids ( Duff & Russel) Back to your sand box and play nice.

LOL children!

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on January 24, 2008 09:29 AM
13. FAULTY INTELLIGENCE ALERT!

It's particularly bad among the comments numbering higher than 9.

Posted by: Insufficiently Sensitive on January 24, 2008 09:31 AM
14. Doofman @ 2:

I know what you mean when I try to watch ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBA and our local TV "News" stations. Their leftist bias is so glaring that one cannot help but notice. The same is true with virtually all Western Washington's "Newspapers". Truly an echo chamber of Leninist proportions.

Posted by: Saltherring on January 24, 2008 09:42 AM
15. Surely you realize how stupid it is to say that, just because we've had Democratic governors for the past 20 years, they get the blame for traffic. Do you give them credit for everything good that's happened here? Our traffic problems are primarily due to growth (a good thing) and the lack of corresponding investment in transportation infrastructure.

Posted by: Bruce on January 24, 2008 09:43 AM
16. #14 Yeah, guess none of us can completely hide our political bias, eh Saltherring. :)

Posted by: Duffman on January 24, 2008 09:49 AM
17. Bruce, the topic is traffic congestion. What is "everything good that's happened here?" that the Democratic Governor's leadership of the last twenty years has produced to reduce traffic congestion to stay on par with population increases?

Posted by: SouthernRoots on January 24, 2008 09:55 AM
18. So, Saltherring would you kindly consider passing Saltherring's share of this on to me. :)

Posted by: Duffman on January 24, 2008 09:58 AM
19. Duffman.

Wow.

First, you are in serious denial, my friend, if you believe that the alphabet networks or their cable comrades are unbiased . I guess when you're tilted that far to the left, any movement toward the center is a move to the right.

Second, it's "Milquetoast".

Posted by: Kent on January 24, 2008 10:01 AM
20. Thanks Kent...always up for being corrected by someone especially as astute as you.

Posted by: Duffman on January 24, 2008 10:05 AM
21. ..but I didn't mean it necessarily in a masculine, timid, and/or submissive way; I rather meant it in a 'bend-able', 'flexible' way...much as the consistancy of 'toast' that has been dipped in 'milk' touche' ! :)

Posted by: Duffman on January 24, 2008 10:11 AM
22. Since transportation reform is a topic of this post...

For several years, I've been working with a group of people (current and former elected officials, policy makers, citizen activists, and others) that have been advocating serious transit and transportation reform in the state of Washington - with a particular focus on the Puget Sound region. With the failure of Proposition 1 at the ballot in November, and Sound Transit likely heading back to the polls for another bite at the apple, a small group convened over the past several months and drafted a set of four recommendations for the Washington legislature to address and adopt for the 2008 session - with hopes that the Governor would have something to sign. The general approach is to focus on accountability and performance for an agency that has been woefully lacking in both.

You can see the recommendations at my blog or download the PDF if you are interested.

Posted by: Brian White on January 24, 2008 10:38 AM
23. Brian,

Most of your recommendations are solid, but your first recommendation suggests lowering both congestion and greenhouse gases. Those two don't belong in the same recommendation for two reasons.

1) Decreasing congestion should be a primary and immediate goal of any sensible transportation policy. And many of the proposed ideas don't have anything to do with environmental impact and everything to do with small modifications that will utilize existing infrastructure. By tying that to greenhouse gas emissions, even small sensible reforms will be mired in environmental gridlock.

2) Studies, and many current and notable ones, show that at best, even intensive greenhouse mitigation in terms of drastic policy changes with huge economic impacts will have very little effect on actually limiting greenhouse gas production. Such policies will have a far greater economic impact than anything approaching environmental help, and worsening congestion by proposing draconian limits where they do not make sense.

For example, current legislation hopes to impose a very high standard for fuel efficiency on US automakers, without regard to the actual demand for autos. The numbers clearly show that most people don't want small hybrid cars, even in the face of rising gas prices. For most, such vehicles might help with commute costs, but are impractical for carrying loads, families, recreational equipment, etc. So Americans by in large don't buy them. By forcing the US auto makers to a higher fuel efficiency standard, we endanger their ability to compete with foreign auto makers because they will have to make a line of products that people don't want, and drastically lower the prices of those products to the point where they can't make money, just to make the environmental targets.

Policies that bankrupt the economy and hurt business are not popular and will ultimately be rejected in favor of more sensible approaches such as better technology and real incentives. And in the long run, they do nothing to relieve congestion, or mitigate any environmental impact, because short of inspiring people to make changes that have an impact, they actually encourage people to rebel against their foolishness.

Posted by: Jeff B. on January 24, 2008 11:11 AM
24. Jeff - I personally agree that getting mixed up in the greenhouse gas reduction debate can (and likely will) be a slippery slope. I would have been quite happy to focus only on the congestion reduction aspect alone. However, I was not the only person at the table when these recommendations were debated and drafted...

That said, there is a strong appetite in this community for that particular issue, and to the extent its inclusion helps move these recommendations in front of the legislators and others who would need to act, I can live with it.

Posted by: Brian White on January 24, 2008 11:22 AM
25. The I-90/W18 interchange is scheduled for a major upgrade soon. The current 'fix' is temporary & will be replaced.

What I find interesting is how much more traffic is backed up on the freeway since this 'fix' went into effect.

It's as if the transportation department deliberately designs fixes that cause more bottlenecks and congestion.

Posted by: steve miller on January 24, 2008 11:24 AM
26. We do not have enough money, nor will we ever have enough money, to fix our transportation problems with the presnt instrument, the DOT.

The way projects are staged, the restrictions on labor and methods will prevent work ever being done affordably.

And i speak as a licensed civil and a former dept employee in the long ago time.

Posted by: Clyde on January 24, 2008 11:43 AM
27. Clyde...are you 'suggesting' messin with Davis-Bacon ?

Posted by: Duffman on January 24, 2008 11:46 AM
28. Let's not and say we did...

Posted by: Don Ward on January 24, 2008 12:48 PM
29. The 'BIG' factor in the cost of road-building these days is the cost of oil, and it's expected to go up between 25 - 30 % by this summer.
Labor, while certainly costly is not the major factor, however should Davis-Bacon be repealed it would 'certainly' have a dramatic impact. Dare we mess with the 3rd rail of labor?

Posted by: Duffman on January 24, 2008 12:53 PM
30. Save 9% by eliminating the Sales Tax on all materials used in public infrastructure projects, it's more when you consider bonding costs and interest. Expedited review of EIS/SEPA most of these projects already have studies and they are simply expanding an existing foot print.
That saves at least 1% construction inflation cost on the total project amount per month. And finally yes if a construction worker is happy working all year at a livable union wage, why Should a public project be a 20% wage premium? Also eliminate the mandatory apprentice participation and the minority owned subs clauses, you just saved about 30% on the total project.

Posted by: Huh? on January 24, 2008 02:07 PM
31. I believe a current 'general laborer's' current wage (in W. Washington) is a basic wage of 28.04/Hr. Add to that the fringe benefit of 8.26 and then FICA, FUTA, etc, you're up to 40.36/Hr...then Indus Ins and Med Aid of 1.78 brings you to 42.14/Hr - BEFORE Overhead & Profit.
Is that a living wage?

Posted by: Duffman on January 24, 2008 02:20 PM
32. ...and that's just a basic laborer, gets even heftier obviously with operating engineers (operators) and teamsters (truck drivers).
Get an idea why our roads cost so much.

Posted by: Duffman on January 24, 2008 02:25 PM
33. Yeah, well Davis Bacon is big, and oil is too, but also

Projects are scheduled multiyear sometimes for engineering reasons but also for money reasons - trying to do something everywhere to see our nickel work. this is overhead at all levels, bonds, engineers, flaggers and so on. Quick is cheap

also, the big labor and resulting contractor structure we have limits innovation so i am not sure anyone would try new things.

And the interminable review process trying to make everyone happy means inflation has a real chance to work. How many times do you get to design the same road? a lot


Posted by: Clyde on January 24, 2008 03:58 PM
34. JeffB @ 23 claims, "By forcing the US auto makers to a higher fuel efficiency standard, we endanger their ability to compete with foreign auto makers because they will have to make a line of products that people don't want..."

Huh? The foreign auto makers will be held to the same standard.

Posted by: Bruce on January 24, 2008 04:05 PM
35. Bruce,

OK, you are right, I did not clarify that well. It could change, but for now greens seem to prefer only the Toyota Prius. It appears to be more of a Green Badge than an honest uptake of Hybrids by US consumers. Honda recently pulled a hybrid back because of poor sales.

And that is the point, if US consumers are not buying US hybrids, but Detroit is forced to make them anyway based on fuel mandates, then that only harms us, especially when that eventually means the loss of more jobs. Hybrid purchase should be based on consumer demand and not government mandate.

What's more is that Hybrids actually cost more to make in terms of greenhouse gases, and more to maintain in terms of expensive batteries. As this becomes clear to potential green buyers, there may be even more backlash. Not that we should not explore new and better technologies, or try to get more out of every drop of oil, but forcing it via mandate won't make it so if consumers are not buying.


Posted by: Jeff B. on January 24, 2008 04:42 PM
36. How can a car battery cost $5500 is my question! There was just an entire car produced in India that sells for $2500.

Not only that, but I have a friend who is in the wholesale car buying industry, who told me his fellow buyers won't touch a used Hybrid.

Why?

Because of the $5500 battery worries.

When these Hybrids start having battery problems, they will either get sold to an unsuspecting greenie, or they will go to an auto auction and sell for peanuts.

I don't know if leasing a hybrid is an option, but I suspect it would be a costly option at the end of the lease.

Posted by: GS on January 24, 2008 06:50 PM
37. R51 I found some References to it at http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/Transportation/PBMontagueTransportationR51.html
It was a 8 Billion dollar spending plan. In this case 53.2% of the money when to General Purpose Roads. When I analysis this bill hidden in the fine print was 10000 minivan purchase included in the Road Construction Money.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transportation/95761_transpo15.shtml has an interesting statement. Because we did not vote in R51. Capital spending for new roads put as at 49 out of 50 States.
"In 1995, the state ranked 20th in capital spending for highways on a per person basis. Nationally, half the states spent more than $158 per person per year on highway capital projects, compared with $119 in Washington. By 2004, assuming current revenue sources, that would go to $80 per person, MacDonald told the commission."

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_110707WAK_election_results_KING_LJ.1e86750a5.html
Talks about Prop 1. 7 Billion for roads and 11 billion for Expanding light rail and other transit projects in the region. Basically over 60% of the total bill for transit projects.

Well Fargo ND is very flat. But this highway in Between Minot ND and Williston ND. Small rolling hills. The bottom line It is still about 80 Miles of 4 lane highway. For a fraction of the cost that we spend in Washington State. Could we not learn from them or get ideas to improve our efficiency.

Posted by: David Anfinrud on January 24, 2008 07:01 PM
38. R51 I found some References to it at http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/Transportation/PBMontagueTransportationR51.html
It was a 8 Billion dollar spending plan. In this case 53.2% of the money when to General Purpose Roads. When I analysis this bill hidden in the fine print was 10000 minivan purchase included in the Road Construction Money.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transportation/95761_transpo15.shtml has an interesting statement. Because we did not vote in R51. Capital spending for new roads put as at 49 out of 50 States.
"In 1995, the state ranked 20th in capital spending for highways on a per person basis. Nationally, half the states spent more than $158 per person per year on highway capital projects, compared with $119 in Washington. By 2004, assuming current revenue sources, that would go to $80 per person, MacDonald told the commission."

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_110707WAK_election_results_KING_LJ.1e86750a5.html
Talks about Prop 1. 7 Billion for roads and 11 billion for Expanding light rail and other transit projects in the region. Basically over 60% of the total bill for transit projects.

Well Fargo ND is very flat. But this highway in Between Minot ND and Williston ND. Small rolling hills. The bottom line It is still about 80 Miles of 4 lane highway. For a fraction of the cost that we spend in Washington State. Could we not learn from them or get ideas to improve our efficiency.

Posted by: David Anfinrud on January 24, 2008 07:02 PM
39. So David, bottom line is that we're not spending nearly the percentage of our transportation dollars on transit as you first posted?

Posted by: BA on January 24, 2008 08:46 PM
40. Duffman @ 16 & 18:

Can't figure out why all the libs protest Fox news, which was recently chosen as the the most unbiased network, when they have so many left-leaning options? Oh, I get it, they're so used to the monoply thing they resent objective competition, particularly if it exposes the truth about liberals' political intentions.

And why would I want to share my tax rebate with you? It was mine when the government confiscated it and it will be mine (outside of any contributions to private charities) when they return a small portion of it.

Posted by: Saltherring on January 25, 2008 06:47 AM
41. #31, #32 Wow. I have an engineering degree, experience as a nuclear engineer, and several years of civilian management experience. Recently I chose to change careers and become a high school math teacher. After two years I am making somewhere around $20 per hour (hard to tell exactly since my hours are somewhat flexible and hard to calculate). It certainly is nowhere near $28 per hour. Maybe I should quit and become a general laborer on state construction projects.

Posted by: Calvin A on January 26, 2008 01:12 PM
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