January 18, 2008
Bill would force vote-by-mail on King, Pierce

On Wednesday, Representative Hunt (22nd District-Thurston) introduced House Bill 2833, a 70-page bill that scours any mention of precinct polling places from the law. Since Pierce is the only county not vote-by-mail or moving in that direction, the bill might as well be called the "Force the Pierce County Council to Fall in Line Act."

If enacted, Pierce would have to change to vote-by-mail by March 1, 2008. King County is specifically exempted until January 2009, which still may be too short a time for them to overcome their difficulties with equipment.

Earlier this year, Peter Callaghan gave an excellent review of how Secretary Reed and the auditors got us to this point through "a combination of great patience, the perpetuation of myths and a fair amount of sleight of hand." Apparently they're past that now, and have moved to using a hammer, complete with an emergency clause.

HB 2833 is scheduled for a public hearing on January 23 at 1:30 p.m. One of my colleagues posted more info on the bill here.

Posted by Jonathan Bechtle at January 18, 2008 11:49 AM | Email This
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1. Pierce County Council...hmmmmm...let me think...Four Republicans and Three Democrats...this may be the only Republican County Council in the "LEFT" side of the state, go figure why they were targeted!!!

Posted by: Pacifiv Grove Phlash on January 18, 2008 12:46 PM
2. Government at it's best. Just ask Bill Anderson.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on January 18, 2008 12:46 PM
3. The authors of this bill apparently truly believe Pierce County's elections officials are more competent than King County's.

They are giving PC less than two months - March 1, 2008 - to convert to 100% VBM and KC gets more than eleven more months - January 1, 2009 - (on top of all the time they used in 2007) to get it figured out.

Obviously, they don't have any more confidence in speedy results from KC than the general public.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on January 18, 2008 01:49 PM
4. At least it gives me one more vote in this falls election where I can vote at the polls. It'll be the last vote I cast here that I'll know unequivocally went into the ballot box because I put it there.

Posted by: RBW on January 18, 2008 02:24 PM
5. The VBM project in the big counties (King and now maybe Pierce) will guarantee the defeat of Dino Rossi. The first election by mail will bring out the biggest number of ballots in history. This is always the case when voters get the first taste of VBM. Subsequent elections tend to tail back to original voter numbers. If King County get VBM in 2008 - there is a possibility Dino may lose. This is the only way, in my opinion, he could lose.

Posted by: Rocketdog on January 18, 2008 02:57 PM
6. This does not just force it on King and Pierce, but ALL counties. Snohomish County switched voluntarily, but we still have hope of switching back, unless this terrible bill passes.

I have never voted by mail, and never will (unless required to by circumstances). I always vote in person. I do not use the mail-in ballot, ever.

All-mail balloting is an absolute scourge on democracy.

Posted by: pudge on January 18, 2008 03:29 PM
7. Yes, there's still time for Ron Sims to throw all those King County votes to Hillary.

Yep, there's still time!

Posted by: john bailo on January 18, 2008 07:26 PM
8. The sponsors of this ridiculous bill are all Dems....now isn't that a big surprise!!

Posted by: Susu on January 18, 2008 09:06 PM
9. Of course I am against all mail voting due to the insecurity, and centralization of a process that should remain distributed and open.

This all mail voting has become the anointed practice of the left with respect to getting a little bit of feedback from the peeps before not listening, and foisting more authoritarian schemes on us anyway.

But I have to laugh, because ultimately there will be less of the emotional victim voter that the left so highly prizes, doing any mail voting. There's simply not much to get emotional or excited about when filling out a ballot in the privacy of one's home. It's just another piece of paper on the mail stack with bills and junk mail. And for emotional and immature would-be voters, there's a pretty good chance they will forget to vote, or fail to remember the emotional programming they use to receive on the bus on the way to the polls.

No doubt there will be fraud and improperly counted ballots at the central ballot counting facilities, like there was when Bill Huennekens improperly counted provisionals in King County in 2004. But I still think that will be offset by the general apathy of all mail voting.


Posted by: Jeff B. on January 18, 2008 10:25 PM
10. I too am opposed to this bill due to the inherent security vulnerabilities with voting by mail (which greatly exceed the inherent security vulnerabilities of voting at polling places).

If change is so necessary (eg. the common argument that there is a shortage of poll workers), why not try some of the reforms implemented in other states? For example, some states use fewer polling places, but a small percentage of polling places are open for several weeks before each election day in order to allow for early voting. This helps to maximize voter turnout and largely replaces the need for absentee ballots. (Absentee ballots would still be needed, but for a much smaller number of groups, including college students, folks in the military, and US citizens living abroad.)

This reform would introduce a new set of challenges, but these challenges are minor compared with the inherent vulnerabilities with voting by mail.

Posted by: Tim B. on January 18, 2008 11:05 PM
11. Since we want every vote to count (but only count once), we need to begin contacting all voters to ensure that they are properly registered at the proper address TODAY.

A project was done in 2006 that identified voters who had moved and forgotten to update their records.

The list of voters who needed assistance was given to Mr Reed and Mr Sims.

We need to compile another list to give to the elected officials in each county

Source documents will be
a) county voting rolls
b) USPS database
c) Phone directories
d) DMV records
e) State Dept of Licensing

For estate purposes, proof of residence is the location where you live, file your Federal Income Tax, vote, have a vehicle/boat registered et al

BTW when Mr Borders moved across the pond, he notified the SoS of his change of address.

Mr Reed failed to remove Mr Borders from the Voter Rolls in King County

Posted by: Green on January 19, 2008 04:51 AM
12. Ah yes, they're gearing up to try and steal another Governor's election I see. Re-elect Governor Rossi! P.S. Anyone hear more about Dean Logan? Believe I saw him working at a drive-thru this summer when I visitied Los Angeles.

Posted by: Mark1 on January 19, 2008 07:10 AM
13. #12 Did see an article about Logan in L.A. Seems they think he is terrific and was unfairly trashed up here. I think it was something like "top-notch problem solver" and new approaches that work. Hmmmmmmmm. I don't think VBM is a left-wing plot. All the counties in Washington that vote solid R do it by mail without fraud charges. The real question is - can KC staff do it correctly. There is reason to question this given the lagging performance to date on the whole project. I think they will try it no matter if they get the high speed tabulators certified or not. I note there is a plan "B" that has been devised. It just continues the current tabulation method, but adds a second shift of workers. I always wondered why they didn't do this anyway. They have the 21 day certification requirement that places a lot of pressure on everyone. Noticed that one of the eastern WA. counties (Walla Walla I think) couldn't get their poll votes at a 100% for weeks last election.

Posted by: Rocketdog on January 19, 2008 09:03 AM
14. If they can intorduce a bill like this why can't someone introduce one that prohibts any county and the SOS from releasing results until all counties are counted?

Surely there is someone with the brains an WILL to counteract this bill of nonsense with one of sanity and common sense.

Where is Tim Eyeman... THIS would be a great people initiative!

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on January 19, 2008 11:51 AM
15. A possible solution would be to require KC to certify first, then let the rest of the state certify. That way KC won't know how much "slack" it has to make up to flip the election results.

Posted by: Fed Up on January 19, 2008 02:14 PM
16. The best part. Bill Clinton say's some are cheating in Vegas. Dem's cheating on Dem's

I'm loving it.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on January 19, 2008 03:31 PM
17. Isn't it obvious yet - that what the people of this state want - is unimportant to the socialist machine?. I've talked with Democrats who also enjoy going to the polls and are upset that this ridiculous idea of "All Mail Voting" wasn't brought to the people for a vote. I find it extremely revealing that Liberal Olympia produced this Mail Vote idea just months after our embarrassing 2004 election fraud fiasco. It represents nothing more than an easier way to commit fraud with a consolidated ballot processing system. There is absolutely nothing secure about voting by mail.

Posted by: Deborah on January 20, 2008 11:32 PM
18. I very much agree with those who oppose Vote-By Mail, and have compiled a list of problems for reference here:

http://novbm.wordpress.com/why-not-vbm/

Posted by: Gentry Lange on January 21, 2008 12:16 PM
19. I very much agree with those who oppose Vote-By Mail, and have compiled a list of problems for reference here:

http://novbm.wordpress.com/why-not-vbm/

Posted by: Gentry Lange on January 21, 2008 12:18 PM
20. Well, it's only fair that Democrats have the same ability to manipulate votes in Pierce County as they do everywhere else...

Posted by: Scott on January 24, 2008 10:35 AM
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