January 12, 2008
Seahawks and Green Bay
As a lifelong Seahawks fan, I've assumed my customary football viewing position. Curled up in a tiny ball on the couch hoping nothing bad will happen again.
Something bad did happen. With less than a minute left in the half, Brett Favre, eluded a sack on third and long, and while stumbling to the ground and under-hands the ball to his receiver and pulls something out of nothing.
Plays like that are not supposed to work. Plays like that are supposed to result in embarrassing gaffes which are returned for points and shown on NFL blooper reels for decades.
Which is why Favre is inarguably one of the three greatest signal callers to ever play the game alongside Elway and Montana. He's certainly the most enthusiastic. Watching him throw snowballs at teammates after driving down the field its hard to really be upset losing to a clearly superior opponent.
So as the final seconds tick away, what is better for the psyche of the 12th Man? Being blown out in near blizzardlike weather conditions on the road? Or losing heartbreakers in overtime like in Chicago last season or Green Bay - "We want the ball and we're going to score" - four years ago?
No we won't even discuss Super Bowl Extra Large and six of the worst referee calls in NFL history.
Posted by DonWard at January 12, 2008
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Seachickens are lucky that is as close as it is.
They can win against teams with losing records but don't do well against better teams.
They've gone 1 game farther than I thought they would.
2. In the past, I'd say that the Seahawks were on their way to "couging" the game. But, given the abysmal performance of the Huskies in the last few years, I'll just say the Seahawks are on their way to "dawging" the game...
3. Go Patriots!
4. Go Patriots!
5. Somebody here wrote that they were "an average team in a below average division." Oh yeah.... that was me. And man, did they prove it today, or what?
Well, now that the fantasy is over, we can go back to the usually clown show known as life in Seattle.
Joke of the day: here's what Businessweek calls the most affordable suburb in Washington:
Median home price: $549,999
Median household income: $90,351
Yep...sounds like a real steal! A place where homes are 6 times average income.
Or, you could be sensical and move to a normal place...how about Broken Arrow, OK
Median home price: $172,900
Median household income: $61,996
Where homes are only 3 times salary...
Another day in Loserville. What a surprise. I do love Favre and the Packers though. If we had to lose it makes it nicer that we lost to such a classy guy and organization. I hope the Packers go all the way and beat the Patriots in the big dance.
If the Mariners win a lot of games they will inevitably tank at the end of the season like they always do. How I miss Lou. You just get used to this if you've lived here long enough. Why bother to get your hopes up? Not quite the same as being a Cubs fan. But it's getting close. And geez, they've at least got Lou!
The Sonics were flushed down the toilet by that creep that owns Starbucks and can't understand why everyone doesn't like his bitter over-strong coffee. He happily sold them to that Oklahoma City jerk who promptly sold off our best players and whose mission in life is to make sure the Sonics lose as many games as possible so he can prove that we don't support the NBA in Seattle.
We are good at one thing that no one cares about anymore. We win more hydroplane races than any city in the country. We've been doing that for years and years.
Don't be so bitter, Bill.
Seattle will always have one winner: Jim McDermott.
There. Feel better?
9. Any bets on Holmgren's future. I'll wager he resigns in the next week. He only has one year left but he's outta here.
Why didn't I think of it? Replace Holmgren with McDermott? The ultimate Seattle solution!
Geez, how could I be so dumb?
11. When watching our favorite pro football team you never know which one will show up, the Seahawks or the Sea-hoax. By the middle of the second quarter, there was no need to ask which one was playing today.....
Yes, sadly most everyone in Seattle knew what the Seahawks would do. Face-plant. It's what our teams do year, after year, after year, after year.
I'm not bitter about it. It's only sports. Now we'll hear cries for Holmgren's head. You can see it coming. A coach can only do so much. It's no excuse to replace him with some unknown college coach, which is what the stupid Seahawks will do.
I do wonder what is is about Seattle that makes it one of the loser capitals of the country. We haven't won a national title since 1979 and we are letting that once proud basketball team go to Oklahoma City without so much as a whimper.
Where's Bill Gates? He could buy the Sonics, add some good players and a decent coach without opening his wallet. He won't though because he's still bitter about being picked last for his intramural basketball team at Lakeside. Thanks for nothing, Bill.
13. Well, I went to my 'Hawk party and everyone was in such a good mood, high-fivin one another right up to the 10-0 lead. Then it started goin down hill...and farther...and farther and folks got quieter and quieter.
I too was among the depressed but (as I mentioned herein) I really thought they would lose. The thought went through my mind that a scenario like this will probably be playin out on a National scene soon. I can only imagine what the psyche will be like herein when Hillary wins. I shan't be surprised of the gloom that will prevail herein. But, life goes on; whether it be a football game or a national election...these are but grains of sand in the vast desert of what's truly important in this world.
Love of your fellow man!
Some consolation for me was - I was the big winner in the pool; which I would have gladly relinquished for a win.
And while I'm at it. I don't have anything against Bill Gates. He and his wife do a lot of charitable giving through their foundation. But the guy seems utterly out of touch with the city he grew up in and which through our spending on his software has secured his vast fortune.
The historic 1897 schooner Wawona rots in the midst of Paul Allen's Lake Union development.
Allen and Gates don't give a tinkers damn about the Wawona. Allen would just as soon see it's remains bulldozed into a landfill. He knows nothing of the Wawona's years of hauling lumber across the Pacific. He is ignorant of her years codfishing in the Bering Sea. To Allen, it's just an annoying hulk. What a fine person to represent the preservation of Seattle's history.
Allen and Bill Gates grew up here and yet they are willing to let a huge piece of our maritime history rot away. I don't have the kind of money to restore the old schooner. Neither do the museums and foundations that want to preserve her. Bill Gates and Paul Allen have the funds to save her and they could do so in an instant. Bill Gates could save her much as San Francisco recently saved their historic schooner C.A.Thayer,(Wawona's sister ship). The Wawona could be restored to sail again and teach history to generations of children. Gates probably doesn't even know about her, and I imagine he probably could care less about saving her. I'd be more than happy to tell him all about her and why she is worth saving. I'll even buy the coffee.
15. Sadly Bill..she just can't draw 70,000 rabid rapid-spending fans. We have lost our way.
Actually, HillBill, had you actually watched the game, you would not have seen a "10-0 lead".
It was 7-0, then 14-0, then Seattle got left behind in a cloud of snow.
Clearly, when you have to make it up about where you've been, and what you're doing, you smack of the fringe left, and reek with the questionable veracity of the rest of your posts.
17. Yes, I actually meant 14-0 sorry 'bout that; and sorry about your attitude. Try your best to have a good life, obviously you're upset and it's understandable. Consider what's important in life.
And I do like Don's opening line. We Seattle fans really do end up curled up on the couch hoping nothing bad will happen. We know the bad stuff almost always happens just as it did today. My wife retreats to the bedroom in order to avoid my inevitable swearing. Our young Siamese cat,(wise beyond his years), runs for the door as game time approaches. It doesn't matter what the sport is in Seattle...we almost always lose... unless it's hydroplane racing (where we actually do win most of the time).
I customarily accompany this curled up position with a stiff shot or two of bourbon, which is often needed in the second half of any Seahawks contest. If you are a sports fan in Seattle I think it's required.
19. Could someone please explain to me how that miraculous underhand pass wasn't considered a forward lateral???
20. Could someone please explain to me how that miraculous underhand pass wasn't considered a forward lateral??? And called back on a penalty??
21. Could someone please explain to me how that miraculous underhand pass wasn't considered a forward lateral???
It was tossed from behind the line of scrimmage.
Defense really let them down in that game. Couldn't stop Favre or the running game after the initial scores. Oh well. It was still a good season, and the Hawks made it farther than many expected - most "experts" didn't even pick them to win the division this year.
22. DaveG...quarterback behind the line of scrimmage. That's the answer. Just like a shovel pass.
Dave: The illegal forward lateral was what is called a "spur play." Spur plays are so miraculous and infrequent that they are given a pass by officials, who are often caught up in the moment.
This is not to be confused with a "homer call," which is what the re-spotting of the ball to make a first down qualifies as.
24. why do they always mispronounce Brett Favre's last name?
Organization Man, no, it was a legal forward pass. Nothing illegal about it. He was a good four yards behind the line of scrimmage when he let go. It doesn't matter how you throw it, as long as it is behind the line of scrimmage.
That sort of legal miraculous play is why everyone knows the name Brett Favre.
The Seahawks were simply overpowered. Sure, they made some mistakes, but the Packers -- after those turnovers -- just turned it on and dominated.
But as a lifetime New England fan -- even when my Pats were 1-15, seemingly forever ago -- I don't feel too bad about Seattle losing, although it woulda been fun to see the Pats-Seahawks.
The two best teams in the NFL this year that the Pats didn't play in the regular season are the Packers and Jags. They beat the Colts, Steelers, Chargers, Cowboys, Giants ... now all that's left -- other than having to beat the Colts or Chargers again, which will be no easy task -- is hopefully facing Favre in the Super Bowl again.
I am pretty sure Favre is the only one left on the Packers from the Super Bowl 11 years ago. There are two Patriots, though, that remain on their team: Tedy Bruschi and Troy Brown (who has only played a few downs this year due to injury).
@19 "Could someone please explain to me how that miraculous underhand pass wasn't considered a forward lateral?"
Just started following football this year, huh? Just stick with it. It took my wife a couple of seasons to figure out the rules, too.
"This is not to be confused with a "homer call," which is what the re-spotting of the ball to make a first down qualifies as."
Which was equalizer because of the "force out" TD pass call. So, things even out.
"No we won't even discuss Super Bowl Extra Large and six of the worst referee calls in NFL history."
Oh my God. How long are we going to have to endure HeeHawk fans whining about a game they clearly lost due to bad clock management by Holmgren and Hasselbeck? No one ever seems to bring that tup.
You want to see jubilation turn to silence and despair? Sneak into The Stranger's election night party in November after Hillary gets the Democrat nomination.
Democrats = Seahawks. Even when it looks like they're going strong they don't have what it takes to win when it counts. They might manage to get lucky and make it to the final rounds, but they'll never win on their own merits.
Michele @ 24:
I agree! And that's why I persist in calling him Brett Fav-ra. Same with Duke's basketball coach. I refuse to call anyone Sha-shef-ski whose name by proper rules of proununciation should be Cry-zoo-ski. Just another of my quirks, I guess.
29. You should pronounce a person's name by the way that person pronounces it him(her) self.
30. Wow!!! That was a really great game!!!! (For the first five minutes)
1. Kudos to you for being a good sport.
2. Great idea trading Holmgren for McDermott. Then, if Baghdad Jim ever merits a Gatorade bath, someone can secretly fill the jug with battery acid, and we'll finally be rid of that lugubrious traitor.
32. Or maybe we could trade Holmgren,(who makes no apologies about his physical condition), for mayor dough-boy who tells us all how to live healthy while piling his bloated countenance into chauffer driven cars. And just for good measure the jerk ruined kids Christmas by telling them scary tales about climate change at the tree lighting last month. And people wonder why I don't particularly care for liberals. I guess I just have some kind of right-wing bias.
33. dang! those Seahawks turned out to be a bunch of typical Seattle liberal losers!
To all of those folks whining that Seattle has not had a national winner since '79, you sure are sexist or have short memories. The Seattle Storm won the championship in 2004...
And Seattle based boats have taken most of the Unlimited Hydroplane Championships for decades. for the uninitiated, Unlimited Hydroplanes were (and still are IMHO) the only game in town before the Pilots.
And how many people go to the Storm games?
36. The collective yawn you heard was when Clay Bennett sold the Storm to local ownership, keeping them in Seattle.
I stand guilty as charged, rbb. I'd forgotten that the Storm won the WNBA championship. I don't buy the sexism charge though...that's a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
I did mention hydroplanes, too.
38. Seattle got what it deserved.....thier butts kicked. Green Bay was and is a very superior team.....Seattle has the heart of the limp wristed, latte drinking left wing wackos. Sports team take on the demeanor of the supporting city. The blue collar bears, Steelers, Packers. The white collar Seattle, NY teams, etc. no real heart at all.
39. It takes a special set of circumstances to put together a championship team, and this year we just didn't have it.
Some of you are being to harsh on the team, and some of you are being to harsh on the fans. I don't know what happened on Saturday and I was heart-broken also, but you really had to marvel at Favre. The most likeable guy in sports, with Hassellbeck as number 2.
40. Watching a Storm game doesn't interest me at all.
I guess I am sexist but when I watch sports I want to watch the best atheletes at that level play.
I can watch some women's tennis or women's beach volleyball, but you can all figure out why and it doesn't have much to do with a ball being involved.
Don't forget the Huskies, too, even if their 1991 championship is still only more or less mythical. Very competitive team until recently.
I'm not sure about whether Holmgren will stay or leave. My gut reaction is that he'll stay for one more year. All season he's been talking more about how the losses are harder to take, so there is some doubt in my mind as to whether he still wants to continue, but I think he will.
It was a good game all around. Pretty clean game, the Packers were gracious winners and the Seachickens were gracious in defeat. It's the way the game ought to be played.
And then go look at Dallas. . . .
"The white collar Seattle, NY teams, etc. no real heart at all."
Uh Allen, did you somehow miss the NY Giants and their amazing victory over favored Dallas yesterday?
Chicago, and the Steelers? Seattle went farther this year than both of them.
I don't think the Seahawks embody left wing latte drinkers particularly. I think most Hawk fans likely live outside the Seattle city limits as do most of the players. I like Holmgren and the team in general. I just hope we don't trade off some of our best players in the off-season,(such as Marcus Trufant). A Seattle tradition that I swear must have something to do with too much salt in the air, or too much rain, or something.
43. I don't think the Seahawks embody left wing latte drinkers particularly.
Me either. Especially Hasselbeck, who caught alot of flak from the hard core lefties for showing up at a Bush event.
Trufant's not going anywhere. If they don't sign him to an extension, he's getting franchised. They won't make the Hutchinson mistake ever again. Bigger question is what to do with Alexander. Alot of people (I was one of them) questioned giving such a big contract to a RB on the wrong side of 30, and it has turned into as big a blunder as the Hutchinson move. Might be time to cut their losses, and start Morris and draft a young RB.
44. Frank in #41
I am not sure what you are referring to with the 1991 Huskies, but there was nothing mythical or fake about that championship team.
They were clearly the best team in the country that year and would have beat down the 'Canes head to head.
And what of the 1960 National Championship the UW recently gave itself? Unless it is officially recognized by the NCAA and by the actual winner that year, I am embarrased that the school did that.
Thom (Class of '96)
45. They were clearly the best team in the country that year and would have beat down the 'Canes head to head.
And you know this how? Miami's team that year went undefeated, gave up 100 points the entire season which was less than UW, and beat Nebraska 22-0 in the Orange bowl, a team that UDub also beat, 36-21. Miami beat the teams that finished #3 (Penn State) and #4 (Florida State) that year. UW best win was against Michigan who finished #6.
Miami was voted #1 in the more prestigious AP poll, UW was #1 in the coaches poll. We'll never know who was better on the field, but there's plenty of reasons to choose Miami.
46. I agree Palouse. It's time to trade Alexander while he still has some value. Morris is a fine RB and I think using the cash reaped in a potential Alexander trade to find a young RB makes a lot of sense. I expect we will see this happen.
47. It's time to trade Alexander while he still has some value.
What team is going to want to trade for a thirty-something RB who has missed double digit games over the last two years due to injury and looks like a shadow of his former self? Hawks would be lucky to get a sixth rounder for him at this point.
The biggest problem is the cap hit they would take in the year he was cut/traded, where his huge signing bonus would get accelerated. That might cripple them from signing free agents, so for that reason alone, they might have to just eat it and hope he can produce something next season.
He is signed for SIX more years, and the signing bonus is spread out over those years (I don't have the exact numbers), but the total contract was $62 million, more than the younger and better Ladanian Tomlinson. One of the worst contracts the Seahawks ever signed.
Palouse you don't really believe the Hawks will keep Alexander as their #1 RB for the next 6-years do you?
Definitely not. But the cap hit is going to play a big factor, at least for next year. Cutting or trading him after next season, but before the latter part of the contract kicks in might be better in terms of the salary cap. That contract is going to limit alot of what Ruskel can do.
My prediction is more of the same. He splits time with Morris and they draft one. Unless there's a sucker GM out there who will give a high pick for him (I doubt it).
50. The best news for the Hawks is that this will be the deepest RB draft in years. You've got McFadden, Mike Hart, Ray Rice, Kevin Smith, Steve Slaton, Felix Jones, Jonathan Stewart or R. Mendenhall. Any of those guys would fit in nicely, and except for McFadden may be available for them to pick.
51. You forgot about O.J. Simpson, a proven RB we could get on the cheap.
BTW, I refer to the NCAA football championship as "mythical" only because it's by polls and not playoffs. I don't pay a whole lot of attention to "Who's #1" in college football, I just like watching it.
FWIW, I thought the UW awarding itself a "National Championship" for 1960 was lame as well.
I think Frank that mythical is the only way an NCAA Championship can be awarded. Once every few years a team is so dominant that most all of us concede that they are #1.
I don't know how you ever solve this problem unless you turn college football into an NFL replica, complete with divisions and playoffs. That really doesn't seem to be workable when you have more than 100 teams.
I don't want to give them any ideas though. Otherwise we'll be starting the college football season in May. I love football but I don't want it to become an 8-month season. I'll leave that to NASCAR.
You know, Bill, I think they're already preparing the groundwork for some sort of playoff, by extending the bowl season out another week. That used to be one of the university presidents' big complaints about a playoff, that it would run into the next semester. Well, now they've done it anyway with the BCS Championship game.
My own pet idea is to largely keep the bowl games as they are, but use either one or two weeks at the end of the regular season for a small 4 or 8 team "playoff". 1-vs-3 and 2-vs-4 with the winners going to a rotating BCS bowl. I suspect the universities are probably angling for an 8-team thing, since they've set up the BCS system more or less that way.
What you're saying makes a lot more sense than what I said, Frank. I do like the idea of some kind of playoffs and I think most college football fans would agree with us.
The only thing that concerns me is how teams would be determined as eligible for the playoffs. We'd still be stuck with the arbitrary rankings and endless discussions about who had the toughest schedule and so on. Perhaps there is no avoiding that.