December 03, 2007
What Happened to Republicans in the Burbs?

That's a complicated question, but this op-ed in the Los Angeles Times offers and analysis that should be applied to the metropolitan Puget Sound area, particularly to the suburbs close to Seattle that have shifted in the last couple decades from reliably Republican to favorable ground for Democrats:

...gentry liberalism reflects the interests and values of the affluent winners in the era of globalization and the beneficiaries of the "financialization" of the economy. Its strongholds are the tony neighborhoods and luxurious suburbs in and around New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco and West Los Angeles.

Growing up in Edmonds I remember cutting my first teeth in politics on campaigns that came in the late 1980's, when the area regularly sent moderate Republicans to the state Legislature. Now, filled with affluent, white collar workers, Edmonds is decidedly safe Democratic territory.

Concurrently, note the author of the op-ed singles out "gentry liberalism" - and Republicans writ large for that matter - for failing to address the concerns of middle class and working class voters. That's a potentially yawning gap for Republican legislative candidates to exploit if Democratic incumbents allow it.

It would also be fair to say one reason Dino Rossi outperformed the rest of the Republican ticket in 2004 was his ability to bridge that gap, appealing to a broad spectrum of less-than-affluent voters on the issue of jobs and the economy. Thus, it should be no surprise, for example, that Gregoire won affluent Edmonds while Rossi won the more working class Lynnwood, which is otherwise a Democratic stronghold.

That's not a bad lesson for Republicans trying to make sure their candidates are running on agendas that are relevant to the communities they seek to represent, especially when a new class of Democrats isn't consistently paying proper attention to the middle class.

Posted by Eric Earling at December 03, 2007 07:34 PM | Email This
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1. They found out they needed services,and they were lining up at the Corporate gouge.
The NEO cons were just not appealing to them anymore.

Posted by: Publicbulldog on December 3, 2007 08:05 PM
2. The 'burbs are where the Democrat families have fled to, after being driven out from Seattle, displaced by highly liberal, single or DINK couples.

The Republicans have fled the area around the big cities altogether, moving to Eastern Washington, other states or - like me - moving overseas.

Posted by: Edmonds Dan on December 3, 2007 08:25 PM
3. They burb dwellers are really mostly independent, who would be willing to vote either way, depending on the quality of candidates. The Neo-CONs are turn offs to them as are the Progressives (really regressives- leftwingnuts).


Posted by: KS on December 3, 2007 08:59 PM
4. This analysis is looking at the burbs in wastelands of Progressivism like LA and Seattle. If you look elsewhere in the country, there are still Conservatives in the burbs.

And lately, is there really much difference between Republicans and Democrats? The bureaucracy grows by leaps and bounds every year. Dozens more departments of union workers on the dole, with the "use it or lose it" budget mentality.

What's needed are real people to run for office. Principled, and with the balls to get in, do some budget and spending slashing, and get out. It's a tall order. Because most real people view government with so much disgust, that they wouldn't go anywhere near public office. And rightfully so.

Posted by: Jeff B. on December 3, 2007 09:15 PM
5. Good post, Eric. Then again, it's hard to write too much on the Republicans in the suburbs, especially in Washington state. It's the #1 current force in Washington state politics, and the #1 concern for the state GOP.

If I were the King County Republican Party (which I'm not), I'd be concerned about a few things:

I-960 failed many parts of Bellevue and Redmond. It passed the district by well under its state average. It passed the 5th LD (Sammamish Plateau to Maple Valley and out east) by barely more than the state average. Anti-tax sentiment and economic conservatism in the area is not as strong as it used to be. It's certainly not enough to carry even legislative candidates, it seems.

On the statewide level, Republicans can't rely on suburban margins for conservative candidates anymore. They margins just aren't what they need to be. Rossi was perhaps the perfect non-centrist GOP candidate in the suburbs. That Rossi effectively tied Gregoire says a lot - and not much especially good for the conservative wing of the GOP.

I agree with a lot of past assessments that say it will be all about transportation and local issues. Conservative social values may play well in the suburbs to some extent (suburban voters still don't like crime, drugs, edginess, etc.) but the new face of social conservatism in this country (i.e., neoconservatism) does not play on the Eastside.

At least that's my two cents.

Posted by: Benjamin Johnstone-Anderson on December 3, 2007 09:25 PM
6. Jeff B.,

I disagree that this has much to do with "progressivism." Countrywide, save for a few select areas, the pattern is the same. In established, "old" cities, inner-ring suburbs are trending Democratic at significant rates. Outer-ring suburbs and exurbs may be different, and growth areas heavily favor Republicans. On net, I suppose less "progressive" cities have suburbs that are seeing more growth, and consequentially their suburbs are not trending Republican.

But I don't really think this has anything to do with the central city's politics, as much as the region in which the city is located and the suburbs' demographics. Take Atlanta, for example - I assume that's a city you'd call a "wasteland of Progressivism."

Posted by: Benjamin Johnstone-Anderson on December 3, 2007 09:31 PM
7. Apologies for the triple post, but I missed a typo. Obviously, I meant that exurban growth means their suburbs are not trending Democratic, or are trending Republican. Sorry.

Posted by: Benjamin Johnstone-Anderson on December 3, 2007 09:51 PM
8. What Happened to Republicans in the Burbs? #4 Jeff B. December 03, 2007

" And lately, is there really much difference between Republicans and Democrats? "

Actually there is as long as you are talking about Republicans and Democrats and not the leadership of the Republican and Democrat Parties nor the candidates the leadership recruits. The leadership of the King County Republican Party and their choice of candidates for public office down to positions in the KCGOP being a case in point.

As is there support of Democrat candidates.

Brian Thomas

Posted by: Brian Thomas on December 3, 2007 10:22 PM
9. @5: Oh please! You're not really dumb enough to believe anything King County "Elections" spits out anymore, are you? I'm sure Ron Sims and the rest of the commie crew worked over time making sure the school referendum "passed" just like they made sure Queen Christine "won." Chances are, I-960 passed by huge margins in Bellevue and on the Sammamish Plateau, just not according to the Rats' adjusted numbers.

Posted by: Huckabee 08 on December 3, 2007 11:09 PM
10. I agree with #6 Benjamin. I am an indie and I am conservative on many issues. I look for quality candidates. I think that more and more of the electorate is identifying as independent and are not looking for extreme candidates at either end of the spectrum. Basic life issues like edcuation, a strong economy, health care, and clean government really don't have a party label.

Posted by: WVH on December 4, 2007 12:30 AM
11. WVH,
YOUR A LYNDIE
As in Lyndon B Larouche
LOLLOLOLOL

Posted by: Publicbulldog on December 4, 2007 02:48 AM
12. I'm a hateful homophobic narrow minded fundamentalist who feels that neither party serves my interests, and that the GOP is in trouble as many Christians see the truth about the Republicans and how they see Christians as their personal unpaid foot soldiers.

Yomama Bin Klinton will win, and things will get much worse before this country wakes up, if it ever does.

Posted by: Independent Voter on December 4, 2007 07:29 AM
13. IV @ 12:

Although it is obvious you are speaking tongue-and-cheek, it is refreshing to hear someone state what he/she actually stands for rather than what the polls indicate you need to be/say to get elected.

Once upon a time, in pre-Clinton America, people expected candidates to actually hold established values, as well as to state their positions on issues. "I voted for it before I voted against it" would not pass muster. If you spoke to a particular stance, you would (if elected) govern accordingly. It was called PERSONAL INTEGRITY.

Nowadays, the Queen can campaign against increased taxation and sign into law the largest tax increases in state history one month after her coronation. And Hillary can flat-out contradict herself on drivers licenses for illegal immigrants. Yet each were given a pass by the MSM and a large segment of the population.

That is why I admire and support Dino Rossi. I believe the man has personal integrity and would govern as he campaigns. Sadly, there are few politicans I would say that about.

Posted by: Saltherring on December 4, 2007 08:18 AM
14. #5,

If you're alleging massive conspiracy by the King County Elections department, enough to entirely change the results of the suburban districts, you must own way more aluminum foil than I do.

Posted by: Benjamin Johnstone-Anderson on December 4, 2007 08:35 AM
15. B Anderson.

Maybe, maybe not. But it makes you wonder when all of these ballots come out of NO-where.

You really want to bring up the last Gov's election with all the hanky panky that was going on!

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on December 4, 2007 09:06 AM
16. Public Puppy,

At least this post you got the initials correct.
I don't support Lyndon, but I can support the thought that you are an idiot.

Posted by: WVH on December 4, 2007 09:10 AM
17. Army Medic/Vet,

There was certainly a degree of "hanky-panky" going on in the last gubernatorial election. But I don't see any indication that the major wrongs of 2004 were repeated in this election. Even in 2004, the ballots came down to a rather insubstantial percentage of the overall King County vote. It just happened that it mattered.

There would have to be massive, machine fraud to flip the suburban vote like that. And what "ballots out of nowhere"? Yes, King County's original ballot estimate was lower than its final count by a moderate degree. Most every county's was - it's hardly rare, and has happened in virtually every election I've ever tracked.

I see no indication of massive fraud in anything - the way the results came in, the way the turnout levels fell countywide, the results relative to other counties.

I'm not disputing the validity of your skepticism of the past performace of KCE. I'm just warning against the dangers of crying wolf.

Posted by: Benjamin Johnstone-Anderson on December 4, 2007 09:22 AM
18. B Anderson.

Machine fraud.... what machines. Most are in-mail ballots that most of us did not want because there in NO way to verify.

Look how fast they kicked Stephen out when he saw problems just a year ago on voting!

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on December 4, 2007 10:02 AM
19. The Democrats have always served the interests of their rich backers. They attract enough poor people by offering bribes disguised as social program to stay competitive. The Republicans are essentially middle class and have trouble with the rich, who know they won't bend the rules, and the poor, because they can't lie with enough of a straight face about the benefits of wasteful programs to buy votes.

The truly wealthy vote Democratic. Middle class suburbs are far more Republican than the wealthier ones.

Posted by: Ken Hahn on December 4, 2007 10:23 AM
20. Yes, good point, Ken. The Democrats have more millionaires in their ranks than do Republicans. Yet, the Rs are branded as the party of the rich.

Posted by: swatter on December 4, 2007 10:26 AM
21. Yes until the Repubican party can discard its party of the rich image it will continue to lose elections.
Dino Rossi was successful because he appealed to the working class.

Posted by: M&M on December 4, 2007 10:30 AM
22. Army Medic/Vet,

Machine fraud, as in, fraud controlled by a political machine, not by the HAL sort of machines. But we're getting off-track. My original point still stands: King County Elections certainly returned flawed results in 2004, but unless there problems were amplified significantly in 2007 (which I see no indication of), the "the suburbs haven't changed; King County is just messing with the results" argument doesn't hold water. This is especially true when you look at the results in suburban areas of Snohomish and Kitsap counties, and suburbs like Seattle's in other states.

If the two GOP options for poor suburban performance are A) do something, B) claim it's King County messing with the results, I think that option A should be heavily preferred over option B. I doubt you disagree; I'm just expounding on my original point.

Posted by: Benjamin Johnstone-Anderson on December 4, 2007 11:40 AM
23. There's a wholesale turn away from Republicanism all over the country- even in the West, and the South. Partly it's from Bush incompetence and the ill-considered, badly prosecuted war, but the notion that gov't is the enemy and a solution to nothing isn't credible any more to suburbanites who are natural moderates.

Posted by: blathering michael on December 4, 2007 12:01 PM
24. The pendulum swings- yes it do.

I predict an R landslide this next November and significant increase in R pickups in the state legislature. But the riskier prediction is there will be an R leadership to take the bull by the horns.

Posted by: swatter on December 4, 2007 12:59 PM
25. WOW Cantwell aid caught by FBI sting.

Wanted to have sex with a child (Gary Studs) here we go again!

Seattle Times today!

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on December 4, 2007 01:10 PM
26. Living in the 47th Leg. District is a hands on view of the changing fortunes of the Republican Party in the suburbs. As the $300,000 - $400,000 subdivisions went up, the district turned Dem. These homeowners are well educated, well employed and not religious. That makes for a Democratic Party vote. We were solid R back in the 90's and the new upscale subdivisions have driven the 47th right into the D column. The district has gone from the extreme right (Phil Fortunato and Jack Cairnes) to the left of Geoff Simpson (one of the eight to vote against 747 rewrite). Simpson makes no bones about where he stands. He is dangerous in that he votes on the policy and doesn't care if he gets re-elected (he is well employed) . People are really starting to like him for that quality. The R appeal is centered on the "good old boys", the gun guys and the religious right. There are fewer and fewer property rights people out here as the subdivisions gobble up the small acreages. The R message must change in the suburban ring.

Posted by: Rocketdog on December 4, 2007 01:23 PM
27. Wow Swatter, some crystal ball! What does it say on whether the Patriots will go undefeated, or if it will be a Patriots/Cowboys Superbowl? Too bad the Pack had to lose to the Cowboys.

Posted by: tc on December 4, 2007 01:49 PM
28. I disagree...like the Democrat Party that is no longer the Party of JFK...for that matter they have moved to the left of Ted Kennedy and is now controlled by “Move On”, Environuts, Cause de Jure’and the Angst Squads...the Republican Party is not the Party of Lincoln...Teddy Roosevelt...or Reagan.

The Republicans have lost there way...you can count the true conservatives in politics on one hand...Republicans in congress spend like sailor on a tear after being at sea for months...how many more “GAY” situations must we endure...we are forced to compromise with every candidate due to “viability”...and they could beat "Billary."

Just as the JFK Democrats left me in the 60’s... the Republicans have left me with the Bush Administration and present Congress...it’s sad to say this but I have to look in the mirror each morning...and one must stay true to ones convictions or you have nothing!!!


Posted by: Pacific Grove Phlash on December 4, 2007 02:04 PM
29. tc, I am a sports fan and don't have the same feeling. I am known as the swatter on the TSN site, also.

This politics feeling has to do with Giuliani mainly or Romney not so much making the blue northeastern states in play, as well as California, Washington and Oregon. Their message plays well.

That being said, the R coattails of Giuliani or Romney, as well as a strong gubernatorial candidate of the Clinton clone- Gregoire, will open the doors for the rest of the Rs.

While Giuliani and Romney are no Reagans, I believe they have enough appeal to swing the Reagan Democrats over to their side, especially with the weak Democrat headliners.

But, my whole prediction is predicated upon the Rs stepping up to the plate. The field is there for the taking when you consider the non-governance of the current pack of D electeds.

Just saying.

Posted by: swatter on December 4, 2007 02:14 PM
30. Swatter,
1. It probably depends on definition of "sweep". (Man that sounds Clintonian, so sorry)
2. I know at least two Congressional districts (McDermott and Dicks) that are pretty well shoe-in for Democrats, but you may have a point in the other districts. There is already rumbles, how Hillary may actually drag down Democrats across the nation.
3. I think alot may also depend on early returns election night as to turn-out here. For example, if say Hillary is Democratic candidate and is sweeping the east (not that this would happen--let's hope), then I could see where it would deflate Republican turn-out here. If however the election is close nationwide, then it will give more incentive here. Of course with the number of absentee ballots that will be in play, this may not be as much an issue.

Posted by: tc on December 4, 2007 02:27 PM
31. republicans are the minority now...folks have woken up to their idiocy

Posted by: Jim Harbinger on December 4, 2007 02:42 PM
32. GOP hasn't been very much fun since the religious zealots took over in '84. When they leave I will stop voting for the Libertarians and go back to voting for the GOP again.

Posted by: Angry White Male on December 4, 2007 03:30 PM
33. AWM (at 32):
Do you have any issues? Besides religious bigotry, I mean.

Posted by: Doug Parris on December 4, 2007 04:04 PM
34. AWM (at 32):
Do you have any issues? Besides religious bigotry, I mean.

Posted by: Doug Parris on December 4, 2007 04:04 PM
35. A question I "hear" you guys asking: How do we get the religious right to stay with the Republican party?"

Here's my 2cents: talk about Socialism. By name. Make sure Christians know you reject atheistic socialism. Sure, socialism is a financial system, but more than that it is a philosophy: the State is God.

The one thing the 'religious right' has fought besides abortion is Communism. Christians around the world were persecuted, jailed and killed under socialism. We spent seventy years risking our lives smuggling Bibles into communist countries, supporting illegal churches, and praying for the fall of communism. We usually feel we won that one. At least temporarily...

There are bloggers and commentators here who fight the battles... many of them against what we should call socialism in America. Rush and Beck have begun to use the "S" word. Join them.

Christians will fight socialism.

Posted by: ljm on December 4, 2007 04:10 PM
36. The creation of the modern, large middle class has largely been a product of government. The free market provides the national wealth, but it tends to be a winner-take-all system. This is how it was until the 1930s, when there was a very small middle class. (As it is in other countries that don't have government programs that support a large middle class.) Then, FDR and HST oversaw three huge movements to create the modern middle class -- the New Deal (especially Social Security), support for unions, and the G.I Bill. The Republicans accepted this fact by the time of Eisenhower, but they have moved away from it in recent decades, attacking the New Deal and unions, as well as supporting tax cuts that lopsidedly benefit the rich. The Democrats have also moved away from the middle class (i.e., free trade), but to a much less extent. The Republicans get some support from middle America by dwelling on fringe issues like gay marriage, but in terms of economics the Ds are much more in support of the middle class than are the Rs. Paul Krugman has an excellent book on this topic, "Conscience of a Liberal." It is a must read for those who support a strong middle class.

Posted by: Tom on December 4, 2007 04:25 PM
37. This community (MI)was once conservative. It's now leaning left. I suspect the left-wing burbs are a result of lots of IT money being generated in the region. The jerks who loved living in Seattle on Capital Hill got rich, got older and moved to the Burbs. They did not leave their values behind. They just decided that good schools and good communities were something you moved to and not something you preserve. Give them a few years. They will import the same values to the burbs that have made Seattle such a mecca for families. Once the burbs have been trashed, they'll move to the next ring farther out, never questioning the wisdom of what they do. I wish they would grow some introspection, look in a mirror and take ownership of the dysfunctions that plague every community where they run government.

Posted by: Attila on December 4, 2007 05:00 PM
38. tc@30,

I don't agree with your third point. Don't you think they'd still want to vote for Rossi no matter what is happening in the presidential race?

Posted by: Smoley on December 4, 2007 05:42 PM
39. "The creation of the modern, large middle class has largely been a product of government"

Thank you for that quote. I haven't laughed quite so hard in a long, long time.

If you really believe big government "creates" wealth, you should move to Russia, Mother France or any of the other "cradle to grave" governments in the world. Good luck with that.

Posted by: johnny on December 4, 2007 06:01 PM
40. Tom @ 36: Your credibility cratered when you dropped that weasel Paul Krugman's name.

Posted by: Organization Man on December 4, 2007 07:02 PM
41. Tom @ 36: Your credibility cratered when you dropped that weasel Paul Krugman's name.

Posted by: Organization Man on December 4, 2007 07:03 PM
42. #39 Johnny, I'm sorry I made you laugh so hard that you couldn't read the rest of my post. I never said that government creates wealth. I specifically said that it is the free market that creates national wealth. However, government helps create a large and strong middle class out of that wealth through such things as support for unions, the G.I. Bill, Social Security, a progressive income tax, protection of our industries (formerly), and an inheritence tax. When the market is totally unfettered, we end up with great class disparities, even if ultimately that unfetteredness creates greater national wealth. That wealth is concentrated in a few hands. Who wants to be like Saudi Arabia where oil wealth is concentrated at the top? I'd rather be like Norway where oil wealth is more broadly shared, even if the mechanisms that create that sharing actually cut into the total wealth. Countries that support a strong middle class, such as in Western Europe and the United States (especially in the 1940's - 1970's), have less class disparity, and more people share the economic growth of the free market. Real per capita GDP has increased greatly in the U.S. since the 1970's. But median income has not. That means the middle class is not enjoying the growth in national wealth as we did in the 1950's and 1960's. And that is not good.

Posted by: Tom on December 4, 2007 07:14 PM
43. Organization Man @ 40 (and 41!), please explain why you say Paul Krugman is a weasel.

Posted by: Tom on December 4, 2007 07:19 PM
44. Smoley,
The die hard Republicans will still vote, given the governor's race, but its the independents that may feel indifferent. Neither party has a majority in the state. They need the independants in order to win the election.

Posted by: tc on December 4, 2007 08:44 PM
45. Today, anyone with a stand on the issues like JFK would be a Republican or Independent and not a Democrat - because Democrats today seldom if ever support tax cuts or a strong defense.

The leadership of the Democratic Party has swung far left and the Republicans are fragmented (neo-cons, pro-life or pro-choice)- thanks to the Bush influence. Both parties are too self-absorbed and polarizing to the other - the political landscape in general - stinks.

Posted by: KS on December 4, 2007 08:44 PM
46.
I think it's more likely that Dems moving to the burbs will convert to moderate Giuliani Republicanism.

Look at the Hillary defections in Iowa and NH.

Posted by: John Bailo on December 5, 2007 07:16 AM
47. @33 - Doug, it's not religious bigotry. It's the fact that I don't want the Govt. in my church, why would I want my church in the Govt? Gay Marriage, Abortion, Education, those are issues for states to decide and should not be dictated to me on the federal level by some politician from Georgia, Minnesota, or even Massachusetts. I may not always agree with my elected politician but at least I got a chance to vote for or against them.

Posted by: Angry White Guy on December 5, 2007 09:45 AM
48. 46 y.o. married white male here, lives in seattle, hates liberals but will never vote Republican as long as they

- want to tell gays what to do and not do in the bedroom
- want to demand everyone conform to christian white america 1950s values, which were never true anyway
- are not capable of balancing a federal budget
- support failed foreign policies based on fraudulent evidence.

I'm pretty fiscal conservative and voted against many levies in Seattle, hate the way we coddle criminals here, hate a lot about the liberal elite.

And yet -- Republicans will never get my vote.

You people supported a moron president and a criminal war, you people supported busting our federal budget to do it, and you people have not thrown your christian nutjob contingent out of your party.

Til you do -- no Republican will ever get my vote.

I doubt I'm alone.

Posted by: DaveD on December 5, 2007 09:51 AM
49. You sound like some of my friends. They claim they are Republicans or they claim they hate Democrats, but when push comes to shove, they have never voted Republican. Go figure.

DaveD, you are of the breed who has preset prejudices/stereotypes. There is nothing in this world that could convince you to change your vote.

One thing I can never understand is how a guy can be such a moron and yet be called the greatest and most evil mastermind humankind has ever created. You lose cred when you show your BDS there, Dave.

Bring your A-game and we can talk.

Posted by: swatter on December 5, 2007 02:19 PM
50. DaveD said:
- support failed foreign policies based on fraudulent evidence

Sorry, Dave. You lost me here. That president you accuse did what he did with 80% approval from both houses of congress, many of whom were Democrats.

Just run a search and you'll find any number of quotes from both Clintons, Gore, Kerry et al. that Iraq was a threat. Whether that was true or not may never be known; quite frankly, it's irrelevant, at this point.

Whether you like the Dems or not is not important. We're in Iraq now, and if that is an important issue for you (which it appears to me it is), you may want to ask yourself if you trust any of the Dems on that issue. Carter had a certain point of view on the Middle East...look where that got us.

Posted by: Interested on December 5, 2007 02:23 PM
51. @49 - I used to be a lifelong Republican voting for Nixon back when Kennedy was in power. It seems to me that the Republicans have lost touch with their small Govt./states rights/low taxes roots and have started trying to legislate whatever morality strikes their fancy. Not to say the Democrats don't do this but I have never been and will never be one of them.

Face it the whole party has succumbed to a bunch of small minded fools who are slowly driving this party off a cliff. Bring back states rights, small Govt., and stop trying to shove biblical morality down my throat. When the Pat Robertson wing shoves off I'll start voting GOP again. Until then I'll continue to support whatever Libertarian makes it on the ballot.

Posted by: Angry White Guy on December 5, 2007 04:11 PM
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