November 14, 2007
And the Award for Tone Deaf Legislative Body of the Year Goes to...

...the King County Council. Their huge game of "let's raise taxes" has Danny Westneat flummoxed at the "taxapalooza" - and it's safe to say Westneat is more sympathetic to tax increases than the average Sound Politics reader.

Posted by Eric Earling at November 14, 2007 07:26 PM | Email This
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1. Speaking of tone deaf, why does this blog make me enter my name and email address every time I post, and then take forever to upload. Over at Horse's Ass, my info is aleady there, waiting for me to post, and it takes nano-seconds to upload. Are the liberals less tone deaf to the market?

Posted by: Tom on November 14, 2007 07:48 PM
2. What are those County Council people thinking? Didn't they get the message that voters don't want increased taxes? If they want to run a Vashon Is. ferry, let the islanders pay. I honestly can't see any reason for their so-called "demonstration projects" for other ferries. Where are they going to park before they get on the ferries? How many people actually want to ride from the Eastside to the UW?

The other taxes are also unnecessary & a slapdown of the voters. Talk about skewed priorities! I guess those council members are hoping the voters will forget by the next election.

Ron "Tax to the Max" Sims has to go; we can't afford him or the rest of the council members anymore.

Posted by: Clean House on November 14, 2007 07:58 PM
3. No surprise here. I mean we are talking about "King of all Taxes" County.

Posted by: anti-tax danno on November 14, 2007 08:00 PM
4. I'd like to think that riding the rails in Portland knocked some sense into Danny, but I think this a real case of the Pot and the Kettle, for, Mr. Westneat could hardly contain himself the Day After Prop 1 went down and was writing about how to work around the will of the people to still fund light rail and other unnecessary projects!

The whole governmental and press structure in King County is like a mad automaton that is set to automatice, like Nomad in the Old Star Trek. Originally it was designed to research and find life, but it's programming got scrambled when it crashed with an alien ship and turned it into a one-robot Columbine whose mission was to "protect the creator" by zapping everyone.

Maybe way back when, the Government of Washington, King County and Seattle were one with the people and shared and enacted their ideas. But now it is a disenfranchised bureaucracy that operates sole for its own existance! Thank goodness that SoundPolitics is here to Whack-The-Moles.

Posted by: John Bailo on November 14, 2007 08:16 PM
5. Just another reason to not live in King County and there will be many more............

Posted by: Norm on November 14, 2007 08:18 PM
6. Eric and Danny boy- YOU ARE TONE DEAF and they are quite aware the majority of voters in the state of Martin Luther King County are retards.

What's the irony they do this w/in 24 hrs of the simple majority vote for school levies?


Posted by: Andy on November 14, 2007 08:30 PM
7. All three of these are stupid taxes that fund only special interests.

Ferries should be funded only by ferry fares. People who do not use ferries should not have to pay for them. Taxing property owners for ferries is absurd. This is a special interest subsidy to people who live or vacation on the islands, and this demographic is mostly not poor. I'll bet the anti-growth folks on the islands would also like to see ferry fares increase! It could reduce interest in building houses there. Oh, well.

Flood control should be paid for only by affected properties, NOT those at the tops of hills. This is subsidizing building housing where housing probably should not be. It should be more expensive to build in flood planes, and the houses that are built there should fund all of the measures designed to protect them from flooding. When you subsidize something, you tend to get more of it, so this measure will increase the amount of property damage and perhaps loss of life that may happen during floods. It is stupid. This is a special interest subsidy to those who live near the water.

The substance abuse and mental health sales tax increase will reduce retail sales, and hurt entrepreneurs, consumers and employment. It will hurt the poor more than it helps those of the poor with substance abuse or mental health issues. This is a special interest subsidy to four groups:
1) The poor who have mental illness
2) The poor who are substance abusers
3) Mental health bureaucrats
4) State Unions

Mental health care and substance abuse counseling providers spend most of their time filling out forms in order to get funding from the state, not actually helping poor people. They want job security, and their private agencies would be much better off increasing their reliance on private donations because these have fewer strings attached. Right now they get less than 5% of their funding this way, and their organizations don't even do much active fundraising. Reducing their reliance on government funding could evntually reduce bureaucracy and increase the proportion of their time actually spent helping people. But about 75% of what the state is paying them to do right now is to fill out paperwork.

The Unions actually threatened to oppose this tax increase for the poor unless the service agencies that recieved the increased funding were required to sign deals with the union to require union membership of employees or get them to sign agreements with the unions. This was a really ugly power grab, that the liberals would argue could have come at the expense of the poor. This shows the unions bald-faced play for power, and lack of concern for the poor. Thugs. Unions are the very worst kinds of special interest groups.

Special interests have taken over local goverenments, and corrupted our officials. It is time to move out of King County. It is time for Atlas to Shrug.

Posted by: Bruce Guthrie on November 14, 2007 08:54 PM
8. Wait, aren't the KC council elected officials? So it means a bunch of retards voted for them, no? Can we hold those retards aka "The people" accountable?

Posted by: Liberal_Crusher on November 14, 2007 09:24 PM
9. Wait, aren't the KC council elected officials? So it means a bunch of retards voted for them, no? Can we hold those retards aka "The people" accountable?

Posted by: Liberal_Crusher on November 14, 2007 09:25 PM
10. What can I say? I guess MLK county liberals really do hate business and high standards of living. They do know that they are digging their own grave, right?

Posted by: Liberal_Crusher on November 14, 2007 09:26 PM
11. The council just looked at the 4204 numbers in king county and figured they were safe in their positions.

Posted by: PC on November 14, 2007 10:03 PM
12. Except for one little detail: I-747 and I-960 did not get a majority in King County. Check the Secretary of State website to verify both. Agree or disagree with the new taxes, but the council is not out of line with the voters of the county.

Posted by: tpn on November 14, 2007 11:17 PM
13. Certain Klowncil members may have gotten it but most live in their own dilusionary world that we get raises like they do.

They were mad because we kissed their 158 billion goodbye, so now they will take it at a boil the frog slowly speed.

Oh and 12, King Klownty is not the center of the universe...

Posted by: gs on November 15, 2007 05:24 AM
14. Vashon islanders already pay property and sales taxes in King County, which go to fund Eastside roads they never use. So this argument that they need to "pay for it themselves" is silly. King County residents need to get rid of this us-vs-them mentality when it comes to meeting the transportation needs of their fellow residents.

Posted by: Greg on November 15, 2007 08:02 AM
15. Hey Greg,
That's a state run ferry system. The islanders choose to live there.
It's the same as someone in Yelm wanting their own express lanes to plant 2.

Posted by: PC on November 15, 2007 08:30 AM
16. Suprise, Suprise, when Larry Phillips shortly after the election made the statement, we will make king county's priorities your priorities, it received little press. No one paid attention?
You might want to remember what is said here as this same guy moves to be the next county Executive. Time for a change... who will step up?

Posted by: tg on November 15, 2007 08:31 AM
17. Bruce is right on target. User fees are the what is needed. Ferry users should pay the whole cost of that type of service, not the tax payers who don't use the ferry system. As for general use roads, since every wheeled vehicle uses them, it doesn't matter where the tax money comes from. This state would be better served if all tax monies collected for roads be put into its own account....seperate from the general funds. Build new general purpose roads and bridges, not wasteful light rail. There should be NO SUBSIDIZED transportation systems at all. Free market forces will decide which systems are better.

Posted by: Allan Rothlisberg on November 15, 2007 08:32 AM
18. @14, Thank you for pointing out the sadness of the "us versus them mentality" of taxation. I don't want my tax money going into a bloated military that is way more than is needed for "defense," but really just expands and protects our empire. Can I opt out?

Posted by: Tom on November 15, 2007 08:48 AM
19. Vashon islanders already pay property and sales taxes in King County, which go to fund Eastside roads they never use.

Prove it. What sales and property taxes are going to be build eastside roads?

And before you start with the gas taxes you pay, you have roads on the island too, and I'm pretty sure most island residents leave the island at some point and use the roads that everyone else uses too.

This property tax for passenger ferries is the biggest waste of tax money for the benefit of a tiny few. It taxes everyone to subsidize a miniscule percent of commuters so they can get a direct route to their required destination, instead of using the already subsidized state ferries. The cost per commuter of this program will probably blow away what we pay to subsidize those Sounder commuters.

For the levies tax, Jane Hague had the only reasonable solution. She wanted a smaller tax for all county taxpayers, and a higher tax for those in the flood plains. If you CHOOSE to live in a flood plain, you should pay the lions' share for the necessary infrastructure instead of making others subsidize your decision. Same with living on islands.

Posted by: Palouse on November 15, 2007 08:52 AM
20. While we are on the users pay theme, why is the 520 bridge payment so hard? Just charge a toll to cover the whole cost of the bridge, have a private party build it and manage toll collections, and it will get done. This way the users of the bridge will pay for it. If it works for the Narrows bridge, it should work for 520.

Posted by: tc on November 15, 2007 09:28 AM
21. The *most* tone deaf member of the council seems to be Jane Hague, who endorsed the RAT tax, then voted for at least some of these tax increases.

Boy, I can't imagine what a *democrat* would have done....

Could someone decent run against her, *please*!

Posted by: bfr on November 15, 2007 09:39 AM
22. If you are decent, bfr, you do it. The next election is in 4 years; plenty of time for you to get your bonafides out there in the political domain.

Posted by: swatter on November 15, 2007 10:19 AM
23. Tom: What a left wing wacko you are. I'd agree with you that you can opt out of paying taxes for national defense provided we real Americans can opt out of paying for socialist/communist programs. What say you?......

Posted by: Allan Rothlisberg on November 15, 2007 01:33 PM
24. Remember during the last budget "crisis" several years ago when sims decided to charge the cedar hills landfill "rent" of $7,000,000 per year to fund these same programs? It's probably more now.
I wonder why our garbage rates continue to rise?

Posted by: mvray on November 15, 2007 05:02 PM
25. This is why from this point on I leave King county to do all my shopping. I will no longer support these King County Klowncil idiots.


Posted by: gs on November 15, 2007 10:28 PM
26. Palouse,

Ever hear of the King County Dept. of Transportation?

Look, it's part of the county's responsibility to increase transportation access for its residents. Vashon is part of King County and thus are fairly included in this.

This isn't the equivalent of a magic road that goes from some random suburb right to downtown, this is utilization of existing (and free) transportation infrastructure (our waterways).

What you and others need to do is quite with your archaic mindset that water is a barrier to transportation and that those who live across water should be stuck with no or little access. You'd think that if anyone understood the opportunities that exist in our waterways it would be a Washingtonian, but apparently there's still room for closed-mindedness.

Posted by: Greg on November 16, 2007 08:04 AM
27. Palouse,

Ever hear of the King County Dept. of Transportation?

Look, it's part of the county's responsibility to increase transportation access for its residents. Vashon is part of King County and thus are fairly included in this.

This isn't the equivalent of a magic road that goes from some random suburb right to downtown, this is utilization of existing (and free) transportation infrastructure (our waterways).

What you and others need to do is quite with your archaic mindset that water is a barrier to transportation and that those who live across water should be stuck with no or little access. You'd think that if anyone understood the opportunities that exist in our waterways it would be a Washingtonian, but apparently there's still room for closed-mindedness.

Posted by: Greg on November 16, 2007 08:04 AM
28. At one time, everyone wanted a bridge and no ferries. Except, the people of Vashon raised a fuss. That bridge was well along with the planning phase. Vashon wasn't to be no-growth.

I don't think it fair they can change their minds. Either it is or it isn't, and in this case, it wasn't.

Posted by: swatter on November 16, 2007 09:11 AM
29. For all those folks who decide to live on an island...you made that decision based on life style choises.....getting to and from your island should not be charged to the general public at large. Either put a bridge up or buy your own ferries. It is those people who live on islands who have put up the water barrier transportation problems. Let them solve it themselves.

Posted by: Allan Rothlisberg on November 16, 2007 12:15 PM
30. Allan, you're right - those that chose to live on an island should pay the freight. I do, and my ferry run is the only one that's profitable.

Of course, same for highways - if you chose to live on the eastside and work in Seattle, or vice-versa - pay totally for your bridge. Why should I subsidize your choice?

Same goes for 405, 167, etc. etc. "Free"ways are overused. Charge for use and congestion will be reduced.

Posted by: BA on November 16, 2007 12:42 PM
31. BA: We are paying for it right now with sky high gas taxes, vehicle tabs, etc. If we weren't forced to subsidize boon doogles such as light rail, there'd be more money available for more and wider general use roads. Until logical and sane people get elected to public office in WA, there will be a continuing waste of monies collected in taxes.

Posted by: Allan Rothlisberg on November 16, 2007 01:50 PM
32. BA--My sentiments exactly. We'll never solve transportation problems in this region as long as people keep up with this us-vs-them mentality. You're either part of the solution or you're part of the problem.

Allan--You can't have your cake and eat it too. You either pay into the system and everyone benefits or we balkanize transportation to the point where every road you drive on is tolled. Roads alone are not and cannot be the answer.

Posted by: Greg on November 16, 2007 02:46 PM
33. We already have passenger ferries, there is tons of room on existing ferries for walk ons. We do not need to add yet again one more half empty boat to the mix.

Posted by: GS on November 17, 2007 10:37 PM
34. Greg: In truth, I can have my cake and eat it too. Not everyone benefits from light rail at all. All do benefit from general purpose roads. As a firm believer in market forces determining vialbility of various transportation systems, each system should be able to make it on its own....no subsidies at all. To move traffic rapidly, remove all HOV lanes...quit clogging up highways. Bus systems can be better utilized since they are able to adjust to market forces in ways that light rail can't. I hardly think that subsiising nearly 40K per passenger per year on light rail is an efficient use of tax payer monies. These ideas are not balkanizing transportation systems at all, just subjecting them to the tried and true system of free market choices.

Posted by: Allan Rothlisberg on November 20, 2007 07:35 AM
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