November 08, 2007
And the Absentees Mean...

...not a whole lot new at this point.

King County is counting ballots very slowly, or turnout is even lower than forecast. Either way, they've only counted a notch under 36,000 ballots since Election Night and turnout measured in ballots counted thus far is a paltry 28.81% as of this afternoon's tally.

Within those ballots there hasn't been much of a shift. Dan Satterberg is holding his 54% - 46% lead over Bill Sherman, with almost no movement between the early absentees, to the poll votes, to the last couple days of absentee counting.

More interestingly, Bill Bryant continues to edge farther ahead of Alec Fisken in their contest for Seattle Port Commissioner. Fisken led 50.6% to 49.1% after the first absentee tally on Tuesday. Poll votes and subsequent absentees have since pushed Bryant to his own 50.8% - 48.8% margin as of this afternoon. Given the trend, Bryant looks to be pulling the race out in what was a bit of a surprise outcome. Fisken, a darling of the liberal left, didn't run a very aggressive campaign by some accounts, but Bryant did, pushing the change theme via radio ads in particular that appear to have resonated with voters.

Up in Snohomish County, things aren't looking good for Tom Greene's bid for Sheriff against Democratic Legislator John Lovick. A first count 285 vote lead for Lovick has swelled to a 1,828 vote margin as the absentees have been tallied. The trend seems to speak for itself there.

Posted by Eric Earling at November 08, 2007 07:39 PM | Email This
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1. Eric, just a little nit-pick, but since SnoCo is now all-mail or mail ballot, the term "absentee" has significantly lost its meaning, snice by decree, we are all absent......

Posted by: SouthernRoots on November 8, 2007 08:09 PM
2. Roots -

Fair point, even in my youthful age I'm so used to the term "absentee" it just rolls off the tongue...or the fingertips in this case. I'll keep it in mind for future posts.

Posted by: Eric Earling on November 8, 2007 08:13 PM
3. Maybe slow counting at King County Elections while they look for unauthorized provisionals and ACORN mail in ballots for Bill Huennekens to count. Plus, we know King County needs to delay until every other county has finished all counting, so they know exactly how many votes they need to come up with in any close races, like the close Fisken-Bryant contest.

A strategy finely tuned under Dean Logan. These are the improper vote count pros. If anyone can pull out a last minute reversal, it's King County.

Posted by: Jeff B. on November 8, 2007 09:08 PM
4. Everyone heed my prediction: EHJR 4204 will pass and the supermajority will be gone. Has anyone been watching EHJR 4202 counts on the SOS website? King County seems to have found 180,000 ballots, which are being counted very slowly and are breaking very heavily towards 4202 passing. There is only about a 25,000 vote separation right now. Looks like another repeat of the 2004 governor's race and 2000 senate race. King County will wait until the other counties are all done and will find enough votes to pass 4202. Is anyone watching these clowns counting the ballots, or is it a free-for all? I hope I am wrong, but I am worried.

Posted by: Sick of High Taxes on November 9, 2007 12:00 AM
5.
Hold on -- Ron Sims just found 1,000,000 ballots for Roads and Transit hiding under a FAX machine!

Good golly!

Posted by: John Bailo on November 9, 2007 02:18 AM
6. Low voter turnout may be a good topic for a later posting. Joni Earl of Sound Transit says the 30% turnout means that she doesn't know what 70% of the voting public wants. She could have a point, except....

ST was the one who wanted the proposition on an off-year election. They dictated when they thought they could put it on the ballot and figured they could get it passed. They KNOW off-year elections only get 30% turnout.

The arrogance of ST is in high evidence even after their voting FAILURE. This organization has got to go.

Posted by: swatter on November 9, 2007 06:46 AM
7. I am guessing that the reason for the slow count is to stuff the box for 4204 -- but how are you going to prove it?

Posted by: Lew on November 9, 2007 07:35 AM
8. Am I the only one who finds it fishy that the Supreme Court ruled I-747 unconstitutional AFTER the vote on supermajority and I-960? If they had ruled before the election, then supermajority and I-960 would have failed/ passed by very wide margins and the libs in the Supreme Court know it.

Posted by: Sick of High Taxes on November 9, 2007 08:34 AM
9. re @3:
Since the Port of Seattle Fisken-Bryant race is only voted on in King County, it is unlikely King County Election is delaying counting until other counties complete tallying votes for Port of Seattle.

Posted by: Peter Carlin on November 9, 2007 09:14 AM
10. It will be interesting to see with such a low turnout. The following things:
1. How many more votes than voters?
2. How many mail in ballots are rejected % wise in East KC compared to West KC. ie I wish there was a way to see by precint how many are rejected because of signature matches. And then look at the number of people that were able to mail in new signatures see the number of successful get vote counted ballots take place. Also comparing Democrat areas to Republican areas.
3. How many ballots are found under the counting machines if things get close. These counting machines sure can give birth real fast.
4. More ballots than voters what precints seems to have this issue. Is it the same as 2004?

my 2 cents.

Posted by: David Anfinrud on November 9, 2007 09:20 AM
11. David, there isn't a close hot button election. I doubt you'll see any problems.

Posted by: swatter on November 9, 2007 10:32 AM
12. It's hard to count on two hands while holding sharpies. 5 + 5 =12.

Posted by: gs on November 9, 2007 10:45 AM
13. Eric, no, the trend in the SnoCo sheriff race does not speak for itself, at all. You forgot to note that the number of votes to count has increased dramatically: a full one third are left to count (which is also what they said on Tuesday night, 40,000 ballots ago).

We simply don't know what this unexpected influx means, but we DO know that Tom Greene needs to only win a razor-thin majority, just 52%, of those outstanding ballots (assuming same undervote percentage) to win. And even less, about 51% or less, to force an automatic recount. The "trend" is too insignificant in light of that to "speak for itself."

Posted by: pudge on November 9, 2007 11:29 AM
14. They are counted, it takes time to convert NO on Prop 1 to YES votes.

/cynical

Posted by: JCM on November 9, 2007 11:40 AM
15. pudge -

Welcome to the wild world of the County Auditor's office. I'd be lying if I said I was surprised by the fluctuating ballot numbers. As long as I've dealt with that office they've never had an effective system by which to provide an accurate estimate of the ballots they have remaining to be counted (mostly because they seem to make no provision for estimating ballots they have yet to receive through the mail...making their Election Night numbers fraught with error). I've never seen a highly accurate count from them until 2 or 3 days after Election Day when they actually have a chance to process ballots mailed locally at the deadline. Granted, the spreadsheet they provide online now is an improvement, but as you noted there was quite a shift between Election night and later in the week.

As to the Sheriff's race, the first count on Tuesday had Lovick leading 50.06% to 49.67%. Lovick had a margin of 52.43% to 47.39% in the next two days of counts, taking his overall lead to 50.76% to 48.99% (which is what I was obviously working off of when I composed the post above). That sure looked like a trend to me that wasn't helpful to Greene since Lovick was actually expanding his lead as more ballots were counted.

In today's ballots, Lovick led 51.34% to 48.45%, expanding his current lead to 50.86% to 48.91% (or 2,392) votes. Three days in a row of post-Election Day ballot counting where Lovick extends his lead is not a good sign.

So, yes, even before today that was a significant trend. I've seen no indication the post-Election Day tally is going to suddenly switch from roughly 52-48 in favor of Lovick to favoring Greene by the same margin. If you'd like to provide one, be my guest.

Posted by: Eric Earling on November 9, 2007 06:18 PM
16. Eric: you misunderstand. I did not say there wasn't a trend. I said the trend does not "speak for itself." That is: we don't know what has causes the trend, and we therefore cannot extrapolate out whether it might continue. This is simple fact.

Just to throw out one of many possibilities, we know the mail comes in from the Post Office in batches, and that mail coming from the same places are likely to be grouped together, and it is quite possible that for whatever reason -- perhaps because it's closer to where the ballots are delivered to -- the South County, where Lovick is likely stronger, has been counted first, and that many North County ballots remain. It's not like the Auditor takes all the ballots and mixes them up so they are counted in random order.

I have no idea if the above is happening. My point is only that it is possible, with the goal of showing you that the trend we've seen does not in any way imply that it will continue.

You have things sorta backward in your mind. You don't need an indication that it is going to "suddenly switch," because you also have no indication it WON'T. We simply do not know, and the existing data, in fact, does not suggest either way.

Greene needs about 53.5% of the reported remaining ballots to get a majority, which is quite within the realm of possibility. But of course I have no real faith in the number of reported remaining ballots. We'll see tomorrow.

Posted by: pudge on November 9, 2007 07:37 PM
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