October 30, 2007
I Hate To Be A Spoilsport

But if candidates Jane Hague and Richard Pope will email me brief statements giving positive reasons to vote for them, I will post them here.  (And I apologize to those who feel that this may take some of the fun out of this bizarre campaign.)

Here are my two conditions:

  • Positive statements only, with no mentions of your opponent, directly or indirectly.

  • No more than about 1000 words.

I would prefer that the candidates concentrate on policy questions in the statements, but will not reject a statement for that reason.

And if they want to impress me (and, I suspect, other voters), they might include in their statements a response to Richard Morrill's fine critique of Proposition 1.

(Here are the campaign sites for Jane Hague and Richard Pope, if you want to look at what they have said — or not said — so far.)

Posted by Jim Miller at October 30, 2007 03:02 PM | Email This
Comments
1. Don't hold your breath waiting on something that fits your specifications. The electorate is extremely divided and hateful these days, and the traditional media and mainstream media (i.e., Fox) is feeding the hatred and division. Plus these nutty blogs (including this one and Goldy's and the rest) aren't helping things.

Posted by: Politically Incorrect on October 30, 2007 04:09 PM
2. How about Republican State Representative Richard Curtis? Will he give you a good reason to vote for him?

Posted by: ivan on October 30, 2007 04:41 PM
3. ivan, aren't you from the big tent party? You sound like a bigot.

Posted by: swatter on October 30, 2007 04:50 PM
4. I thought this was a porn-free blog?

The Piper

Posted by: Piper Scott on October 30, 2007 04:50 PM
5. No, Stefan still allows ivan to blog.

Posted by: swatter on October 30, 2007 05:04 PM
6. The electorate is extremely divided and hateful these days,

I disagree. Only a small minority of citizens are politically engaged in any way. Try sitting down with a neighbor who is politically opposite of you. (I bet you don't even know the political leanings of your next door neighbor, nor he yours.) I'd be willing to bet you'd end up good friends and better neighbors.

and the traditional media and mainstream media (i.e., Fox) is feeding the hatred and division.

Nonsense. This political earth scorch we see began at the hands of the Clintons. They were and are still famous (infamous?) masters at fomenting devisiveness then blaming OTHERS when they found themselves on the receiving end of someone hitting back.... typical bully behaviour, I might add... and one you have YET to see from President Bush.

Remember "politics of personal destruction"? Thank Hillary and her ready war room of political henchmen (Carville comes to mind).

We grown-ups remember a time when politicians treated each other, even and especially their opponents with respect. The Clintons made getting and staying elected a blood sport. Sadly if you don't give as good as you get it's YOUR blood that gets spilled.

ps, your gratuitous Fox shot outed you... or maybe you just forgot to mention Rosie, Olberman, Colbert, Matthews, Maher... Yes, yes I know you're shouting "Limbaugh! started it". BUT, and it is a great big BUT, Limbaugh started and continues to use HUMOR not anger to make his points.

Plus these nutty blogs (including this one and Goldy's and the rest) aren't helping things.

Sorry dude, but blogs can't all be lumped together. HA and the MoveOns (right and left) are far different animals than Sound Politics and Wake Up America. Surely, you can see the difference in the level of discourse (and the distinct lack of profanity)

Also, any well intentioned citizen or his basement dwelling nutburger brother with a video camera is also changing the face of politics with YouTube. Again, there are the slash and burn types and there are the well intentioned.

The fact of the matter is the scorched earth agitators get far more attention which then serves to propagate more earth burners who want more and better attention.

This stems from the outrageous acts of (predominantly liberal) interest groups. When GreenPeace groupies tie themselves to a ships rudder the resultant press sparks ideas for more outrageous stunts, and we end up with their ELF brethren burning down university laboratories, housing developments and car dealerships and Cindy Sheehan's little whine igniting some of the most vile anti-American rhetoric EVER.

The electorate is extremely divided and hateful these days,

When you are acting out of divisiveness and hate, that's what you see. When your group, gang, social club, political affiliates only show you devisiveness and hatred, it's what you expect and what you propagate.

It's not what I see.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 30, 2007 05:21 PM
7. One more word on the Clinton Blood Sport legacy... honorable men and women, when faced with an ugly but truthful fact about themselves, admit to it and move on.

Team Clinton, when confronted with a truthful but ugly fact about themselves viciously attacted anyone stating the fact. Team liberal has learned that lesson and sadly, they learned it too well. They take any criticism or fact based in truth of any utterance as all out war, that is, as blood sport. Instead of dealing with the fact, they attact the fact giver.

It is exactly this mentality that puts us where we are today.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 30, 2007 05:30 PM
8. Yeah, Ragnar, you right-wingers are all so pure and good, and we're the bad guys, right?

Here are some more details on the GOP Hypocrite of the Day. I wonder who's next.

Posted by: ivan on October 30, 2007 05:53 PM
9. Yeah, Ragnar, you right-wingers are all so pure and good, and we're the bad guys, right?

Here are some more details on the GOP Hypocrite of the Day. I wonder who's next.

Posted by: ivan on October 30, 2007 05:53 PM
10. Yeah, Ragnar, you right-wingers are all so pure and good, and we're the bad guys, right?

Here are some more details on the GOP Hypocrite of the Day. I wonder who's next.

Posted by: ivan on October 30, 2007 05:54 PM
11. Hmm, Ragner - Limbaugh uses "humor", but Colbert and Maher for example, use "anger".

Your even-handedness is a breath of fresh air.

Is it "humor", or "anger"?

Posted by: BA on October 30, 2007 06:42 PM
12. Interesting. I offer two candidates for a local office a chance to raise the level of their campaigns -- and one commenter responds immediately with some unrelated dirt on another politician.

I considered deleting the comments, but decided that they gave us a useful lesson. But I do hope the rest of you will ignore them in this post.

(Incidentally, I think it is good manners to keep comments on topic, especially the first few comments. If you were a guest in someone else's home and they started a conversation on one subject, you would not think you had the right to change the subject instantly -- not if you had any manners, that is.)

Posted by: Jim Miller on October 30, 2007 06:51 PM
13. I apologize Jim, although I look at it as I do interesting conversations: often they take unpredictable turns.

Clearly you libs were reading just waiting to pounce. And in doing so, you so perfectly prove my point.

I wasn't making accusations, I was stating FACTS, and you took the Clinton meme and ran with it.

Instead of defending your position you went into full attack mode.

Re-read good old ivans 3 duplicate posts: they are perfectly executed out of the Clinton playbook: attack and throw deflecting accusations.

Nope, ivan, I don't think you're "bad guys". I think you are seriously misguided, easily led, gullibly used by those with agendas far bigger than you and immature of the social skills that used to be the norm in polite discourse.

And your link doesn't work.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on October 30, 2007 07:34 PM
14. Gentlemen and ladies,

Since this county and state loves female candidates, you should vote for me. I am a woman.

All the best
Jane

Posted by: notJaneHague on October 30, 2007 10:26 PM
15. Jim, I saw your challenge to the candidates and after reading, I wondered what anyone could comment on. You had zero comments for a long time and I was hoping no one would say anything.

This challenge would have been good for one of your zero comments allowed posts. I was hoping the candidates would have accepted the challenge.

I tried not to pipe in until after the post was ruined by the first couple of poseurs.

Posted by: swatter on October 31, 2007 09:47 AM
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