The Times reports:
Seattle City Councilman Richard McIver was arrested and has been booked into jail for investigation of domestic violence assault.McIver was first appointed to the Council in 1997 to replace John Manning, who had resigned after being arrested for domestic violence. Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at October 10, 2007 08:01 AM | Email This
Is stoning next?
Posted by: dawg on October 10, 2007 08:19 AMThe Seattle police don't have a bad reputation and if they arrested a City Councilman, they must have had good reason, though. But remember the Duke lacrosse team, too.
And, that arrest would not have happened without calling Nickels first.
Posted by: swatter on October 10, 2007 08:33 AMI just knew you'd have the news first about a politician allegedly breaking the law...now, where's the post about the allegedly drunk, PDC dodging, resume padding Jane Hague?
Still waiting!
Posted by: rossitoo on October 10, 2007 08:47 AMYou believe all Richard Pope's drivel, though? Funny dad, but you always taught me to treat women well, and yet, you are equating wife beating (alleged) with PDC mistakes and a DUI. Dad, dad, dad, you always taught me better.
Posted by: rossi trey on October 10, 2007 08:58 AMHeard at the 9:00 AM top of the news hour a sound clip from an interview KIRO had with Mrs. McIver. She said the councilman was drunk and knocking her around when she summoned the police. She said it was a first and they've been married a long time. Guilty.
Posted by: KitsapVoter on October 10, 2007 09:12 AMI wonder how the gang at HA will explain this one?
The Piper
Posted by: Piper Scott on October 10, 2007 09:36 AMThe same goes for McIver that went for David Irons, who beat up his mother. How did you lot "explain" that one?
Posted by: ivan on October 10, 2007 09:53 AMThe clips I've heard Ms. McIver says she "was stupid" for calling the police. Go figure.
I'm sure the voters of Seattle will give him a pass.
Posted by: G Jiggy on October 10, 2007 10:04 AMI agree it won't hurt him. As long as he has a (D) next to his name, his seat is likely safe.
Posted by: Palouse on October 10, 2007 10:07 AMNah. Wrong outfit.
Maybe he could have the seat of the "Designated Hitter?"
Just sayin.
Posted by: Hinton on October 10, 2007 10:19 AMNow if this had been a conservative, well then, that's entirely different. Then he would deserve the death penalty, after a short trial by the media and HorsesAss.
Posted by: Jeff B. on October 10, 2007 10:24 AMI wonder if McIver's intoxicated state was because he stayed too long at Drinking Liberally last evening?
We ought to get Richard Pope to check that out.
Anyone want to make book on how long it takes Goldy or the P-I to call for McIver's head? My money's on never.
The Piper
Posted by: Piper Scott on October 10, 2007 10:31 AM"Ditto what Palouse and Michele said. He's a Democrat and a minority. That gives him an "Absolute Moral Authority Victim Get Out Of Jail Free" card. He must have grown up under the implicit oppression of the white man. So therefore, he's been under stress. Who could blame him for beating up his wife? Seattle needs a new program to reach out to these victims. And it should be paid for by taxpayers."
I'm always amused by the term "minority" because that implies 3/5 of a person from the Constitution. I don't know what statement Mr. Mc Iver will make about this incident, but to assume that he will claim oppression by whites is a bit over the top, don't you think? There already is a program for domestic violence victims in the city of Seattle.
Now, this is the abuser profile which does not have a specific race, religion, gender, political party or class attached to it. Domestic Violence is wrong.
Abuser Profile
Uncontrolled temper. Have very short fuses and become immediately angry.
Have poor coping skills
Unreasonable and demanding at times
Unpredictable
Give double messages... pendulum swings from loving to abusive
Deny that the abuse has occurred or make light of a violent episode.
Blame the victim, other people or outside events for the violent attack.
Abusers don't act because they are "out of control."
Abusers choose to respond to a situation violently. They are making a conscious decision to behave in a violent manner.
They know what they're doing and what they want from their victims.
They are not acting out of anger.
They are not reacting to stress.
Extreme jealousy.
Express remorse and beg for forgiveness with seemingly loving gestures.
Can be hard workers and good providers.
Can be witty, charming, attractive and intelligent.
At times are loving parents
Intense fear of abandonment.
A background involving physical, emotional or sexual abuse, abandonment issues.
Unrealistic expectations of a relationship. (To "fix" them or solve their problems.)
Isolation and antisocial temperament.
Recklessness. (dangerous sexual behavior, reckless driving, drug use etc.)
Inability to accept responsibility for their behavior and actions, even in the face of dire consequences.
Cruelty to children and animals.
Threats of violence.
Low self-esteem, shame.
Inability to respect interpersonal boundaries, a compulsion to violate boundaries.
Emotional volatility - fear of being "out of control".
Need for power and control to compensate for the above.
Abuse generally escalates when the partner leaves.
Many of the characteristics above are documented trauma based adaptations to childhood emotional, physical and sexual abuse.
http://www.crescentlife.com/psychissues/abuser_profile.htm
Now, do any of you see a particular race or political party in the profile above?
Posted by: WVH on October 10, 2007 10:41 AMLet the facts come out.
(although I confess I am having the guilty pleasure of watching someone from the D side getting caught up with the DV mafia)
Posted by: Andy on October 10, 2007 10:55 AMThe point is that I wouldn't have been included because I am a woman and my Black brothers were counted as less than a person along with Native Americans. Americans have had an interesting trip to this point in time and I am aware of the history.
Posted by: WVH on October 10, 2007 11:29 AMAnd thank GOD WE brought slavery to an end!
To bad we can't say the same in Africa or Asia.
Nothing to explain. Irons was never arrested for it, there is no evidence that it ever happened other then from his obviously ill mother. If it did happen, then obviously, that would be terrible, and he'd deserve the condemnation he'd get. I also agree we should wait till the verdict is in on this one. But there is still a world of difference between being arrested for something that just allegedly happened and having someone dredge up an allegation that supposedly happened years ago with no proof during an election cycle.
Posted by: cliff on October 10, 2007 12:25 PMNOT!
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 10, 2007 12:34 PMRIGHT ON.
Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on October 10, 2007 12:47 PMApparently you are not aware that my tounge-in-cheek rhetoric has real follower in Seattle. Take Venus Velasquez for example. And why take offense at the word minority. Minority means the lesser side of a total population. It says nothing about an individual person. If you want to read 3/5 in to minority, that's on your end. Consistently we see Seattle leadership use racism to combat racim. And we see racism excused as long as it is in the politically correct direction.
The reality is that there will be no multi-day, multi-story condemnation of McIver's actions by the media, as there would be if he was a conservative. And if the scandal becomes larger, you will see race baiters like Jesse Jackson step in and try to justify McIver's actions based on historical racism and his color.
My point is that that all racism is wrong. There should only be a judging based on merit and character. And there should be consistent standards for conduct applied by the media, regardless of party affiliation.
Posted by: Jeff B. on October 10, 2007 03:48 PMOnce again the lame stream media plays "Name That Party!" There's not one mention that he's a dem. If he'd had a R after his name one can be assured that it would be all over the article.
Liberals can kill a woman (Admiral of Chappaquiddick) and be credibly accused of rape (Slick Willie) and the party faithful will still return them to office.
"If nothing else, he's not setting much of an example for the huddled masses he professes to serve."
Ha!! You're looking to an elected official to set an example? Why not set your own example? (I'm also waiting for the fair and balanced analysis of Jane Hague)
Katomar said this:
"WVH and a few others who have brought race into this: I didn't know what ethnicity the old, drunk geezer was until I read it here! I doubt most people did. All I'm saying is that his wife probably could have and should have put the smack down on him"
This camment came from Jeff B at comment 15 and I commented on his remark at comment 16:
" what Palouse and Michele said. He's a Democrat and a minority. That gives him an "Absolute Moral Authority Victim Get Out Of Jail Free" card. He must have grown up under the implicit oppression of the white man. "
So, if you want to comment about someone bringing race into the discussion, e-mail Jeff B.
Army Medic/Vet
You said:
" WVH.
And thank GOD WE brought slavery to an end!
To bad we can't say the same in Africa or Asia."
This comment is true and the hated Christian Evangelicals led by Rod Parsley and TD Jakes are buying slaves their freedom.
Now my original remark which prompted you comment was this:
"I'm always amused by the term "minority" because that implies 3/5 of a person from the Constitution"
Seems like I am picking on Jeff B tonight. That was in response to his comment:
"He's a Democrat and a minority. That gives him an "Absolute Moral Authority Victim Get Out Of Jail Free"
Now, Jeff B said this:
"Apparently you are not aware that my tounge-in-cheek rhetoric has real follower in Seattle. Take Venus Velasquez for example. And why take offense at the word minority. Minority means the lesser side of a total population. It says nothing about an individual person. If you want to read 3/5 in to minority, that's on your end. Consistently we see Seattle leadership use racism to combat racim. And we see racism excused as long as it is in the politically correct direction"
Now, Jeff B, I said that I was amused, as in your use of the term "minority" is lame no matter how you try to explain it. Further, any person of color that calls you on an issue involving race is now going to be compared to Venus and accused of race-baiting?
You said:
"My point is that that all racism is wrong. There should only be a judging based on merit and character"
This is in accord with the aspirational language of Dr. King's "I have a Dream Speech." Obviously, from some of the posts at this site, we are not there yet.
Posted by: WVH on October 10, 2007 10:26 PMHowever, there are times like in Montana recently and when in a partisan position, the bad guy was a Democrat, but that fact wasn't mentioned. This is the one the MSM shows their true colors. They just can't seem to mention their own party.
Wasn't it that Democrat evil, the Hammer, who said the difference between Democrat bad guys and Republican sinners is that the Republicans get them out of office (hey, Craig is gone in January and he couldn't be shamed into voluntarily giving up his seat)?
Posted by: swatter on October 11, 2007 07:09 AMTrue, but in the unlikely event that McIver happened to be a Republican our local media surely would have taken great pains to mention that he was a "conservative". Over, and over, and over. That's how they play the game.
Posted by: Bill Cruchon on October 11, 2007 12:37 PMnow--let's see if justice is really fairly applied to all--(assuming after just day in court)will we see a BoomBoomBobbiejudge-type of legal wrist slap or something else?
let's also see the real content of character of the actor come out--will you Seattleites trust this accused with your daily life-affecting decisions, taxes and lawmaking? will the person resign? chalk it up to therapy like the Hollywoods?
Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on October 12, 2007 05:05 AMThis pity enough, I answered something I was accused of doing with an explanation. Now, Truthinwords, I noticed too, but since this site is generally populated by pubbies, some indies like me, and a few progressives, generally there will not be a counter response to a critique. Politics means never having to say you are incorrect or sorry. :-)
Posted by: WVH on October 13, 2007 12:43 AM