September 07, 2007
Well, That Was Quick

When I said in my quick debate wrap-up (complete with regrettable typos that demonstrate my haste and which I'm none too proud of) that the John McCain revival story was brewing I didn't think it would be so soon.

New Hampshire's prominent Union Leader editorializes in a McCain love-fest (h/t: AmSpec Blog). One of the Washington Post's top political reporters as some similar but less effusive thoughts.

Both stories note the pundit class has nearly written McCain's obituary in this campaign. They fail to note a not insignificant number of Republicans have too, despite the core support McCain still holds in some pockets, especially in places like New Hampshire.

UPDATE: there's more from USA Today. Ugh. Someone should tell these people one Frank Luntz focus group does not constitute a comeback.

Posted by Eric Earling at September 07, 2007 07:29 AM | Email This
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1. Eric,
While you're beating yourself up over slips of the finger or quick editing, you can also ponder the stylistic rule that forbids the placement of a preposition at the end of a sentence. Your disclaimer would sound a whole lot better if it read "and of which I am none too proud." :-)

Posted by: srogers on September 7, 2007 07:42 AM
2. Watching the debate the other night I felt that McCain is really out of it. I lamented that it was really too bad because he could probably be the most viable candidate against Mrs Clinton and make it more of a meaningful race. His time is just 'past' and that could be obviously seen in his not so telegenic appeal. I admire the man for his true grit and determination, and obvious brave passion for the US, but he should just realize that time has passed him by (in terms of being 'Presidential') and he should move on with his life.
The time has come (in this country) for a female President and there has to be a first and that 'first' will assuredly be Mrs Clinton.
'McCain' (& others), party of how-ever-many: your planes are waiting...Buh-Bye!

Posted by: Duffman on September 7, 2007 07:43 AM
3. srogers - fine, point well taken and it's a grammatical rule I'm aware of but don't always follow when blogging. To be fair, typos are one thing. Taking the fine tooth comb of proper grammar to the blogosphere would be a very, very, very long day.

Posted by: Eric Earling on September 7, 2007 08:01 AM
4. I have absolutely no use for McCain. I just wish he would revive the the B.S. Express and ride it off into the sunset.

Posted by: JDH on September 7, 2007 08:04 AM
5. the "rule" about using prepositions to end sentences with is not a rule; it's a stylistic guide. In some cases, it's just more fluid to end with a preposition - "That's something I won't put up with" for example, or "my friend went to the store, then forgot what he had gone for."

as far as McCain - thank you for your service to your country, but really, I will never EVER vote for you for Prez.

Posted by: steve miller on September 7, 2007 08:20 AM
6. Eric:

The media just can't bring themselves to accept the fact that McCain won't be the nominee. He would have a difficult time even carrying his own state at this point.

The white hot anger over the CIR sealed his doom. No amount of puff pieces from the media will change that.

Ken
Dallas

Posted by: Ken on September 7, 2007 08:47 AM
7. Ad I have said before, McCain's sponsorship of the blatantly unconstitutional McCain/Feingold law restricting political speech in direct violation of the 1st Amendment should permanently disqualify him from any public office. His prior military sevice and heroic time as a POW, while commendable, has no bearing on his (unfortunately successful) agenda to muzzle the free political speech of American citizens. He should be impeached and imprisioned.

Posted by: Steve on September 7, 2007 09:08 AM
8. For any Republican, a positive comment from the Washington Post should be considered the kiss-of-death.

Posted by: JC Bob on September 7, 2007 09:17 AM
9. Eric: McCain isn't dead yet ... it's interesting. He remains the best GOP candidate on national security and shrinking government (best combination of views, and ability to implement those views), and he is very conservative by any standard (except the Reagan Wing's :-).

And some Republicans are forgiving him for his immigration thing, now that he has sort-of apologized.

But I still don't think it's going to happen. Too many Republicans have been angry with him for too long.

Posted by: pudge on September 7, 2007 09:19 AM
10. I just hope someone asks McCain to repeat his strategies for dealing with illegal aliens. And follows up by asking him to define "amnesty."

That hopeful little balloon will be as flat as last week's pinata.

Posted by: Rey Smith on September 7, 2007 09:29 AM
11. McCain is too cocky and unbalanced for a presidential race. We've all been through this before. For some reason the media latches on to McCain early on, thinking him to be a normal person. He does fine for a few months, then goes off to crazy town and loses.

Posted by: Giffy on September 7, 2007 09:32 AM
12. Not a bad speech from Mr Edwards who could possibly be Mrs Clinton's running mate.
Edwards Speech

Posted by: Duffman on September 7, 2007 10:19 AM
13. McCain is too loose a cannon to get the nomination. He has been slipping lately and coming out with mini-equivalents to the Dean Scream. I.e. "you little jerk, you're drafted". Even if it was a joke, it was at the expense of someone else, and most of the public just doesn't get that kind of humor. As far as giving him a pass for his military service, I have two words for you: John Murtha. Heroes can be dopes. McCain is not a conservative. If he thinks his ideals need to be compromised in order to get ahead politically, he will leave them at the door. Too many betrayals there, and too much masked animosity towards Bush for beating him at his last nomination attempt. Doesn't play well with us conservatives.

Posted by: katomar on September 7, 2007 11:02 AM
14. "Not a bad speech" from Edwards? I find that hard to believe. I've never heard him give a remotely good one.

/me reads

Yep, this one blows. His first four paragraphs are OK, but then he starts off the fifth paragraph with a proven lie about our President ("In August of 2001, while George Bush was in Crawford ignoring memos about the threat from Al Qaeda ..."). I won't bother reading the rest of this "not-bad" speech. One bald-faced lie is plenty.

Edwards is the scariest of the Democratic candidates. Well, not scary in that he could win, because I think any Republican candidate except maybe Ron Paul could beat Edwards, but scary in his views, as he continues to be exposed as an irredeemable liar and socialist who wants to destroy all liberty on the altar of "One America."

Of course, Kucinich is about as bad, if not worse, but Kucinich has absolutely no chance to win the nomination, which makes him less scary. Gravel is similar, although at least he thinks the people should have all the power, unlike Edwards and Kucinich, who want government to have all the power. But Gravel actually wants to hold a national referendum on every major issue, threby tossing away almost all of the Constitution.

But he too cannot get the nomination, so that leaves Edwards as the scariest.

Posted by: pudge on September 7, 2007 02:15 PM
15. Oh yes, and I love the part in Edward's recent speech explaining his view of a national health system wherein everyone would be MANDATED to have annual and/or periodical physicals, and be closely monitored thereafter. Oh, boy. And I thought the Conservatives were supposed to be bringing on Big Brother!!!

Posted by: katomar on September 7, 2007 02:58 PM
16. # SeattleJew says:Now I understand the source of conservative thinking on taxes:


The real Answer From a True Conservative:

"To conclude," bin Laden says, "I invite you to embrace Islam." He goes on to say: "There are no taxes in Islam, but rather there is a limited Zakaat [alms] totaling 2.5 percent."

Osama bin Laden

Posted by: SeattleJew on September 7, 2007 02:59 PM
17. SeattleJew, so who is greedier? Me for wanting to keep my money and use it how I want or you for wanting to take my money and use it how you want?

Posted by: ItTakesAVillageToConveneAGrandJury on September 7, 2007 03:53 PM
18. Either Rudy Guilliani or Fred Thompson will get the nod. Fred will either be a shooting star or a quick burn out.

Posted by: KS on September 7, 2007 08:07 PM
19. SeattleJew, do you really want to go there?! Bin Laden's screed was basically straight out of Democratic talking points.

I don't care to bash Democrats over the head with that, because it's not fair. Bin Laden is an evil bastard who should be shot (and I'd love to do the deed myself) and we cannot care about or trust what he says. But if YOU want to go there:

Punish Rumsfeld. Defeat Bush. Immediately end the war. Bush is a puppet of the neocons. Sarkozy is evil. Noam Chomsky is great. Global warming is the greatest threat facing us all.

Who could be saying such things? Nany Pelosi? Chuck Schumer? Michael Moore? SeattleJew? No, that's Osama Bin Laden!

Again: I think it's B.S. to use what Bin Laden says like this, because we can't trust a thing he says. It's quite likely he doesn't mean most of it. I only did this to show you that if you want to fight that battle, it is one you will lose, because from his own statements, Bin Laden is as much of a conservative as YOU are.

Posted by: pudge on September 8, 2007 12:26 AM
20. pudge
You are avoiding the obvious. OBL's stand on taxes is as fantastic as .... any other conservative.

I regard myself as a realist. I could care less whether a candidate wears donkey's ears or an elephant's trunk. I do care about realism.

Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul are both irrational. Unfo0rtunately for America, the gOP has too many such people.

OBL really believes that sharia can govern. He believes in his 2.5% tax (dhimmi would pay more) just as Time Eynman beleives his nonsense.

As to any other similarity between OBL and either party here, if you were my child I would make wash your outh out with soap for you comment comparing what this man said and believes to the candidates of eother party. That sort of filthy, Rove speak is disgusting when anyone does it.

Posted by: SeattleJew on September 8, 2007 01:49 AM
21. ItTakesAVillageToConveneAGrandJury

Please, my ohnly point is that fanatics, OBL or GWB, should not be governing us. OBL is an evil man, he lives in a fanatasy where murder is good because his Deirty says so, That same deity says that a 2.3% flat tax is a good idea. Fantasy.

WADR, there are rational republicans this year, but too few and none of the standing it will take to beat the Dems. American reconstruction is going to take realism ... realism about the huge costs of rebuilding our military, realism about the health care crisis, reaism about ...well you get my point?

Posted by: SeattleJew on September 8, 2007 01:57 AM
22. SeattleJew:

Fuck you.

You compare Osama's views to the GOP, and then have the balls to say that I can't compare his "other" views to the Democrats?

Fuck you, you hypocritical assclown. YOU are the one who drew the first comparison. YOU are the one who said that "sort of filthy, Rove speak" that you find "disgusting."

Fuck. You.

Posted by: pudge on September 8, 2007 07:55 AM
23. The reality is that OBL would like nothing more than to draw his blade across SeattleJew's throat in homage to his "Deirty". Apparently
SeattleJew's "ohnly" point is, why should any more American soldiers die to keep it from happening? I'll have to think on that one for a while.

Posted by: Huh? on September 8, 2007 08:42 AM
24. The reality here is that SeattleJew is either completely ignorant of what he's saying, or he is a bald-faced liar, and I have time for neither.

Come on, this is the guy who admitted he didn't know anything about the Tenth Amendment, and then implied that my claims of Madison's view on limited federal power was incorrect. Of course, the former precludes any "rational" understanding of the latter.

He has been irrational from the beginning, but now he calls what I said "disgusting," even though I was giving it only as an example, and even though HE was saying the same damned thing SERIOUSLY.

So he is now plonked, for time immemorial. He is a waste of time, and I changed my mind: I DO begrudge his taking of my tax money for his research, because he is obviously too ignorant to know what to do with it.

Posted by: pudge on September 8, 2007 09:21 AM
25. Apparently I touched a nerve.
Huh...

Of course OBL ought to be our prinary, #1 target. But, ask yourself if the current strategy is working for or against the monster?

The irrational misuse of America's resources, often meant to pander to some political constituency, needs to stop. OBL's claim that an Islamic state operates w/o taxes is a good and all too familiar example.

Here are some more:

The Mexican Border ...the fence will cost money and do nothing. We need a national ID card, enforcement of trhe existing law using the social security database, and some rational program to deal both wiht our real needs for immigrants and the horrid reality that we have far too many illegals to simply evict them.

Stem Cells ... this is not onlky a phoney issue, it is a bizar misuse of our much needed public attention span.

Gay marriage ...I am against gay marriage but I think anyone who sees this as the most critical moral issue facing our nation is nuts.

Taxes .. the REALITY is that the US has both the lowest taxes of any industrialized nation and soem of the worst support for critical areas that determine our productivity as a society. We need to spend more carefully, BUT we do need to spend on transport, schools,healthcare, and yes , rebuilding Bus's decimated US military.

There is more. I could care less whether the realists are demo or repub. What I want is a leader who can be honest and realistic about what we need to do FOR our country.

Posted by: s on September 8, 2007 10:03 AM
26. Pudge

No, I did not and would not use the sort of language you use. I did point out the similarity between OBL's bizar claim that an Islamic State would not need taxes and the all too frequent claims of Republicans. If you do not see the similarity, the fantasizing abut an important issue, that si not my fault.

As for the tenth amendment, WADR, what I said was that I was not a constitutional expert . are you? Nor have I memorized the Bill of Rights. Seems betetr to remember what they mean than know which one is #5 and which #6. BUT, your calims about Madison were utterly wrong. I have read Mr. Madison's comments on this issue and YOUR interpretation would not be his.

Where you are correct is that historically the Xth amendment was a compromise. Remember, Madison was NOT a Federalist. The issue of whether we were to be a single nation or a confederacy was very difficult. If we had gone with the latter model, the South would have had every right to secede as would the New Englans states earlier.

I am curious .. how you feel about returning to the Federalist era? Shall we break up the US?

Oh. BTW, I ahve never usderstand the wierdness of offering to fuck others. As a sixties person I use fuck a lot in language but why do we excoriate others by offering to commit a homesexual act.

Be good.

Posted by: SeattleJew on September 8, 2007 10:15 AM
27. You are still alive so I guess it's working. I hope you are better at research than you are at spelling, maybe you should go back to "prinary" school. The "onlky" fact we can agree on is OBL "si" a "bizar" character and threat to all who love freedom here in America. While I do not appreciate the "f-bomb" being dropped, I believe most of what you post here is as you state "a bizar misuse of our much needed public attention span." I don't care who you are, that right there is funny.

Posted by: Huh? on September 8, 2007 10:59 AM
28. SeattleJew:

You started your post with a lie, that you didn't do what you attacked me for.

I stopped reading after that. I don't suffer fools glady; I don't suffer liars at all.

Posted by: pudge on September 8, 2007 11:17 AM
29. SeattleJew, those of us that read the comments at HorsesAss.org have seen your gay slurs against the trolls. I have yet to decide which is worse, your hypocrisy or your spelling.

Posted by: Brandon Wolner on September 8, 2007 11:54 AM
30. Brandon: I think his *logic* is worst of all. Although that falls under hypocrisy too, since he claims to be rational, but wouldn't know a syllogism if its minor premise kicked him in his major premise.

Posted by: pudge on September 8, 2007 12:17 PM
31. I am still waiting to see his definition of a
"homesexual act" is he going to do something kinky to the garbage disposal?

Posted by: Huh? on September 8, 2007 01:16 PM
32. @29

I ma glad that you read HA. Ni I have never made nor would i make a gay slur. I think waht you are referring to is the discussion with a sockpuppet anmed Stamn? I did post a profile fo him, based on a guess since he will not say he was. The profile said he was gay. he took offence. I also said he was bald, lives in southern cal and has a Japanese car.

Is this what you meant?

Posted by: SeattleJew on September 8, 2007 02:42 PM
33. Huh!!

I do have a real problem with typing and I do apologize.

On the other issues, other than teasing pudge (who trolls elsewhere .. or someone using his name) ... I am sin cere here.

I very much want to see a reformed Republican party.l Making creation, tax free government, etc. the bais for politics is hurting our country.

May I suggest that you take a look over at my blog? SeattleJew

I just posted an interesting link to a speech the governor of California made. He is making the same point.

As for foul mothed Mr. Pudge, generally anyone who tries to address a discussion this way is pretty insecure. The odd thing is that Pudge is obviously a smart person. It would actually be fun to have a real talk with him ... the kind that does not invovle an event in the boy's locker room.

Antime you wanna pudge, anytime.

Posted by: SeattleJew on September 8, 2007 02:49 PM
34. To be honest, I didn't spend that much time to determine if he was a sockpuppet. You are right, I probably noticed your "profile" as you call it and considering you never met the person inferred and intended it as an insult considered it was a slur. If you didn't mean it as a slur I apologize.

Posted by: Brandon Wolner on September 8, 2007 05:33 PM
35. SeattleJew: stop lying.

Posted by: pudge on September 9, 2007 12:48 AM
36. Brandon .. Tx.

I definitely did not mean it as a slur. My intent (I think successful) was to push "Marvin" to reveal more of himself. I do not know if you saw the part whee I figured out his choice of name? He took the name of a lesser Jasz musician. I went to that website and bought three excellent CD! The comment about "Marvin" as a gay was no more an insult then the comment that he was a musician or that he lives on an oil platform.

I have a lot of faults but I do think I avoid ethic/sexual/religous humor unless it is self directed.

Posted by: SeattleJew on September 9, 2007 08:09 AM
37. Pudge.

I do not lie. That si one mtizvot I take very seriously.

Anytme you want a serious discussion, you are welcome .. I will even let you be a gust editor on my own blog id f that is tempting.

Lets agree on one thing, we both love this country and want better for her!

Posted by: SeattleJew on September 9, 2007 08:14 AM
38. Seattle Jew, Thanks for your reply. I am a little confused about your pushing Marvin to reveal more of himself, from yours and TheHims description of him he is simply a troll, what were you hoping to learn from him? Did you think insinuating he was gay would bother him?
If nothing else, it seems that your troll exposed you to some excellent Jasz Cds that you enjoy. You did learn from him.

Posted by: Brandon Wolner on September 9, 2007 12:52 PM
39. SeattleJew: you ARE a liar.

You lied several times. You said you did not do what you attacked me for. That was a lie, as everyone who saw it would agree, except for, because, well, you're a liar.

You said that I compared Osama Bin Laden to anyone. Since -- unlike when you did it, which you lie and said you did not -- I stated specifically that I was doing it only for the sake of argument, that too, was a lie. I compared Osama to no one.

You called yourself a conservative. That was a lie.

You said you do not lie. That was a lie.

Posted by: pudge on September 10, 2007 12:11 AM
40. Oh, and while we're at it, you said you follow/support ALL the Bill of Rights, yet you had no idea what the 10th Amendment said, so that was a lie.

You said James Madison was not in favor of strict limits on the power of the federal government, and that was a lie.

You said that Thomas Jefferson was Madison's mentor, which is true, but not in the context of the Constitution, where if anything, Jefferson looked to Madison. I'll be gracious and just call you ignorant instead of a liar on that one.

Posted by: pudge on September 10, 2007 12:14 AM
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