July 18, 2007
Sewer of Corruption (XXXVI)

The self-serving conduct of Ron Sims' Elections Office regarding I-25 illustrates exactly why the office should be taken away from the County Executive and turned into a separately elected non-partisan office.

The Elections Office is responsible for verifying the I-25 signatures. But instead of examining a statistical sample as allowed by state administrative rules and county code [1.16.100], the Elections Office has decided to examine every signature until they hit the qualification threshhold (or, unlikely, exhaust the pile). And before qualifying I-25, they will similarly qualify I-24, which is ahead in line.

That's the difference between checking 109,000 signatures for both initiatives vs. 4,700 (3% random sample as described in the WAC). There is no legitimate reason to check the extra 104,000 signatures. They're only doing this to delay qualification to hurt the campaign. The taxpayer-provided resources used to check the unnecessary extra signatures would be better applied toward improvements in election operations.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at July 18, 2007 03:17 PM | Email This
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1. Doing a 100% examination is referred to in QA circles as sorting. Sample plans are derived statistically and are quite accurate - you only need to check a small portion of the signatures to determine if you have enough good ones.

There are many people sufficiently trained to perform this, and Ron Sims knows it. Who keeps voting for this corrupt SOB?

Posted by: John Galt on July 18, 2007 03:29 PM
2. The same people that think McDermott is competent.

Posted by: Al on July 18, 2007 03:35 PM
3. "Who keeps voting for this corrupt SOB?"

Liberals.

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on July 18, 2007 03:37 PM
4. No suprise here from this Elections office, this just proves they are self serving....

Posted by: GS on July 18, 2007 03:40 PM
5. Is this different from how they have done things in the past? If so.... wow! They won't stop at anything.

Posted by: DR2008 on July 18, 2007 03:54 PM
6. Does anyone still be believe that Mrs. Gregoire is the "elected" governor after seeing the coruption that resides at KCE?

Posted by: RJK on July 18, 2007 03:57 PM
7. They go through things with a fine-toothed comb only when they want to.

And don't when they SHOULD.

Posted by: Michele on July 18, 2007 03:59 PM
8. I wonder how many times it will take them to count these signatures...After they are done signature chucking....

Posted by: gs on July 18, 2007 04:41 PM
9. Ukraine has more democratic elections than Washington State.

Posted by: pbj on July 18, 2007 04:46 PM
10. Hmmmmm...Based on how long the KC Dem Predilection Office has taken to respond to any scrutiny or FOIA requests, it is going to take at least five years to check the signatures. Stefan, Good Luck and has authors of I-25 hired a good lawyer because they will need one.

Posted by: me on July 18, 2007 05:04 PM
11. Stefan,

The KC Office of Dem Predilection will take forever to validate the signatures on I-25. Have the authors hired a good lawyer?

Posted by: me on July 18, 2007 05:06 PM
12. Has the MSM reported this or are they turning a blind eye yet again?

Posted by: Chase on July 18, 2007 05:39 PM
13. Nothing will change unless we dismember King County and get rid of its extraneous and over bearing Executive entirely.

I never heard of a County government having so much power anyway! Where's the precedent...and why does it have to be here?!

Posted by: John Bailo on July 18, 2007 06:32 PM
14. Gee, I wonder if Sam Reed has any interest whatsoever in this development?

Oh, dream on......

Sam Reed, useless as tits on a boar.....

Posted by: Hank on July 18, 2007 07:07 PM
15. I would like to see this obstruction make it on the Bill O'Rielly show. WA needs more good publicity!
(Sarcasm)

Posted by: Fed Up on July 18, 2007 08:40 PM
16. Interesting and amusing.
When the D party wanted to do statistical sampling re the last census, the R party objected vociferously.
Funny--I don't remember any objection from the R folks back then.
So I guess we need 100% to be consistent.

(lol at the pseudo-righteousness.)

Posted by: Sewer Of Hypocrisy (XXXVI) on July 18, 2007 09:50 PM
17. Sesspool at #16

A census is a hell of lot different than my voting/initiative rights.

If you think different, burn your ballot and save us all the trouble, that is if you are even old enough to vote!!!!

Posted by: chris on July 18, 2007 10:47 PM
18. Lets see. IF they can verify a thousand signatures a week. They may get this on the ballot in 2009. Remember it does not have to be on this ballot. BUt then if they delay enough I guess they have to get new signatures. Draw it out until everyone gives up on having an elected instead of appointed hack to control the elections. Watch the dragging of feet to prevent it from making the ballot.

Posted by: David Anfinrud on July 18, 2007 10:49 PM
19. Why count all 109,000 sigs?
These clowns went to public school. They have to prove they can count.

Posted by: Jennifers Dad on July 19, 2007 05:47 AM
20. I hope someone is keeping a close eye on those initiative sheets. KCE seems to have a habit of 'losing' ones which they disagree with and finding extras (which agree with them) lying around the office.

I can't say its any better up here in Snohomish county (where we already have forced mailed elections...).

Posted by: CrazyFool in Lynwood on July 19, 2007 05:48 AM
21. So where is our lib friends who show up and trash us on this site. Come on Cato and so many others. This is YOUR buddy SIMs, you know the guy who believes in the rule of law.

Cat got your tounge

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on July 19, 2007 06:50 AM
22. Hope you have a good lawyer, echoing me. Something tells me, not the other me that the fix is in.

Posted by: WVH on July 19, 2007 07:18 AM
23. Re #16:

Welcome to Civics 101 (which you apparently missed in high school):

The Census is governed by the US Constitution, which mandates an "actual enumeration" of the population (i.e., not a sampling). The results are then used to apportion Congressional seats.

The Washington Administrative Code (WAC) explicitly allows for the use of sampling to certify initiatives for the ballot: "In the verification of signatures on initiative and referendum petitions, under RCW 29A.72.230, the following statistical test may be employed:...".

The King County Code states that "When petitions for initiative and/or referendum action are filed with the county council, the records and elections division shall forthwith proceed to canvass and count the names of the legal voters thereon. The records and elections division may use any statistical sampling techniques for this canvass which have been approved by the county council."

Objecting to the use of sampling for the US Census and calling for its use in canvassing signatures on petitions is not hypocritical - it is in fact consistent, in that both stances call for compliance with the law as written. To do otherwise would be hypocrisy.

Posted by: Patrick on July 19, 2007 07:42 AM
24. King Ron doesn't believe in the rule of law, he believes in the Rule of Ron.

Don't think that an elected election elections won't be a dem, or that she won't try this type of stunt, but at least there's the threat of a recall.

Posted by: Obi-Wan on July 19, 2007 07:57 AM
25. And, dear Patrick, what reliable statistical sampling process existed when the constitution was ratified, sonny? (Somebody fell into a self-made trap.)

Would we like to go back to the rest of the literal constitutional stuff? Maybe we should go back to "gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts."
There are many literal constitutional phrases, sonny.

Posted by: Patrick sez "oops" on July 19, 2007 08:53 AM
26. Yes please #25. Every damn word. Yes that would probably mess up a few things that I benefit from, but we've moved so far away from it that we have Supreme Court Justices saying 'well, let's do it this way, that's what France does.'

Posted by: Al on July 19, 2007 10:05 AM
27. Sewer a.k.a Patrick sez @ 25

The mathematicians Pascal, Huygens, Graunt, J. Bernoulli, De Moivre, D. Bernoulli, Bayes, Laplace and others all worked to advance the branch of mathematics known as probability and statistics in the century before the U.S. Constitution. I'm sure they'd be most interested in your theory as to why their work didn't apply to the "New World" until after the signing.

Posted by: jopalm on July 19, 2007 10:07 AM
28. #25 -

Nice try.

I suppose if Congress ever passes a law allowing the census to use statistical sampling, and it survives constitutional review by the Supreme Court (as has been the case with our currency for over a century - cf Knox v. Lee and Parker v. Davis), then there would be nothing wrong with it. However, the *law* would have to be changed through the legislative and judicial review processes, not unilaterally by some government agency. Until that happens, statistical sampling is not a legal option for the census.

The point still stands: asking that applicable law be followed for both the census and signature canvassing, though they differ from each other (think apples and oranges), is not hypocrisy - it is consistency.

Posted by: Patrick on July 19, 2007 10:28 AM
29. Stefan: so what's the problem? If the KC elections are not handled well, Ron Sims will just fire the people in charge. So that they are working to undermine I-25 for their own self-interest only proves the point that if they were elected that it could be even worse since you couldn't replace them, even if Sims doesn't replace them!!!

Posted by: pudge on July 19, 2007 10:21 PM
30. "If the KC elections are not handled well, Ron Sims will just fire the people in charge.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you were trying to be ironic. The alternative to irony is too either too funny or too pathetic for words.

Posted by: jopalm on July 20, 2007 08:47 AM
31. jopalm, yes, I tried to use extra exclamation points to emphasize that I was kidding. :-)

Posted by: pudge on July 20, 2007 10:46 AM
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