July 15, 2007
Learning From Houston

The New York Times begins a light-hearted article on parking spaces with these two paragraphs:

In Houston, $225,000 will buy a three-bedroom house with a game room, den, in-ground pool and hot tub.

In Manhattan, it will buy a parking space. No windows, no view. No walls.

At that point, a person from Mars would expect the rest of the article to explain what Houston is doing right, and what Manhattan is doing wrong.  (Or even a person from Houston.)  But that question does not interest the reporter, Vivian S. Toy, because she continues blithely on with a discussion of these high costs, without ever considering why Houston does so much better.

For those with more curiosity than Toy about this question, there may be a hint in this Wikipedia article on Houston.

Houston, the largest city in the United States without zoning regulations, has expanded without land use planning.[46][47][48] Voters rejected efforts to have separate residential and commericial land-use districts in 1948, 1962, and 1993.

Houston has, in other words, one of the least regulated housing markets of any large American city.  It also has some of the cheapest housing of any large American city.  I don't think that's a coincidence.

Cross posted at Jim Miller on Politics.

(Perhaps Danny Westneat of the Seattle Times might learn something from Houston's combination.  He has noticed that housing prices are high in this area, but thinks that the solution might be either more regulation, or virtuous landlords, who do not seek maximum profits.   I don't think that landlords in Houston are notably more virtuous than those in this area, so I would suggest that Westneat might want to search for a different solution, perhaps less regulation, or even repealing part or all of the G----- M--------- A--.)

Posted by Jim Miller at July 15, 2007 03:31 PM | Email This
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1. What you expect a reporter to be curious about cause and effect? You expect a reporter to have studied economics 101? Are there two moons on the planet where you live?

On earth we just expect reporter to follow the Marxist dialectic.

Posted by: Not a Yank on July 15, 2007 03:53 PM
2. How about "Manhattan is an island, almost totally covered in development". Houston has lots of room for expansion, Manhattan has none. The only place Manhattan can expand is upward, and it's already doing that. Seattle is probably closer to Manhattan than Houston, but regulations and Seattleites' horror of multi-family housing (I once saw someone say in a newspaper article that you can't raise children in apartments-they need single-family houses with big yards. Tell that to all the inhabitants of London, Paris, Vienna, etc.) are big contributors to the high cost of housing in King County. A one-bedroom, one-bath condo in downtown Kirkland sells for $695,000.

Posted by: Carol Kujawa on July 15, 2007 03:59 PM
3. Just because one is utterly ignorant of the basic laws of economics doesn't mean one will not be subject to them.

Posted by: km on July 15, 2007 04:26 PM
4. Our local newspapers are doing a terrible job of covering GMA issues. The Olympian has been crying about Olympia being turned into a bedroom community, yet doesn't mention the root cause; the GMA which restricts growth in King County and encourages it in Thurston County. Danny Westneat should spend a week in Yelm or another former rural community turned urban growth island to see the damage the GMA is doing. Limit sprawl? Ha, it just pushes it further away.

The GMA, worse for the environment, worse for affordability, longer commute times, ugly treeless dense asphault developments everywhere!

Posted by: AP on July 15, 2007 04:30 PM
5. New York pop density=27k Houston=4k. Not to mention New York being the financial capital of the world.

Posted by: Giffy on July 15, 2007 05:16 PM
6. Giffy, New York pop. density = 27K? No kidding? That's about 4 times as much as Seattle and 8 times as much as Bellevue. Maybe that's one reason why they can use trains for public transportation in New York while it makes no sense out here!

Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on July 15, 2007 05:23 PM
7. Stefan, when New York began building is subway in 1869 its population density was under 5k, or just more then 2k less than Seattle is today.

Posted by: Giffy on July 15, 2007 05:42 PM
8. Oh and Houston has trains despite a lower density then Seattle and the recently voted to begin an expansion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/METRORail

Posted by: Giffy on July 15, 2007 05:45 PM
9. Hahaha, nice Stefan.. how does that foot taste?

Posted by: LOL on July 15, 2007 05:48 PM
10. You did happen to note that the much vaulted rails in places were actually in place BEFORE the population and growth started to explode to outlying areas, didn't you?

Sorta makes the opposite that the blind monkeys are trying here in Seattle sound just a bit goofy, dontcha think?

OH GEE.. we weren't prepared, it's far too late, but oh well let's just throw up a few rails for the hell of it.

Good grief.

Get it?

People moved about BECAUSE of the trains... not the other way around... because oh gee, it's much easier to direct population growth with previously existing infrastructure than it is to make non-existant infrastructer go where teh people already ARE.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on July 15, 2007 06:02 PM
11. Ragnar, like the Rainier Valley. Yup no way you could build more housing there. Or SeaTac and Tukwila. All built out right?

Posted by: Giffy on July 15, 2007 06:06 PM
12. If you are willing to violate all of the comprehensive planning regulations and GMA provisions NOTHING is imposible in King Co. We only have to look to what King Co. is doing in Maple Valley to see that money talks and environmental preservation of open space gets shafted. When Yarrow Bay Development puts the 2,000 units in the middle of Maple Valley because they recieved a non-competetive sale of 156 acres inside a UGA, it will show everyone just how "flexible" the county can be when they stand to make millions and pay-off their friends. And yes the county will not improve the Transporation system in Maple Valley to mitigate the impact.

Posted by: Huh? on July 15, 2007 06:33 PM
13. What is so bad about planning? Do you prefer that we don't plan? What private sector corporation does not plan? Do you really want to live in Houston?

Posted by: Rob on July 15, 2007 08:23 PM
14. 7. "Stefan, when New York began building is subway in 1869 its population density was under 5k, or just more then 2k less than Seattle is today. Posted by: Giffy on July 15, 2007 05:42 PM"

Once again, Stephen feels what its like to be poked in the eye with a fact. Haha, see you next time.

Posted by: Auburn's Finest on July 15, 2007 08:25 PM
15. Rob

Are you talking about my post @12? I am all for planning, I am not for throwing planning out the window when a developer waves some bucks under Ron Sims nose.

Posted by: Huh? on July 15, 2007 08:26 PM
16. when New York began building is subway in 1869

But what was the population of Seattle in 1869? Perhpas if they;d built subways back then, we'd still be running them too.

How typical of the true believer to make a comparison between cities 1.5 centuries apart and somehow think it advances their argument. Even today, to make comparisons with Manhattan (New York, not the one in Montana) is to pretend that an exception is somehow typical. (Actually, a comparison between Seattle and the one in Montana leaves Seattle coming up short in a lot of ways.)

Posted by: Raoul Ortega on July 15, 2007 08:45 PM
17. when New York began building is subway in 1869

But what was the population of Seattle in 1869? Perhpas if they;d built subways back then, we'd still be running them too.

How typical of the true believer to make a comparison between cities 1.5 centuries apart and somehow think it advances their argument. Even today, to make comparisons with Manhattan (New York, not the one in Montana) is to pretend that an exception is somehow typical. (Actually, a comparison between Seattle and the one in Montana leaves Seattle coming up short in a lot of ways.)

Posted by: Raoul Ortega on July 15, 2007 08:46 PM
18. Sez Giffy:

"Stefan, when New York began building is subway in 1869 its population density was under 5k, or just more then 2k less than Seattle is today."

Hey Giffy - New York didn't begin building its subway. Rather, the taxpayers didn't. It was built by a flock of private entrepreneurs, to make a buck by providing a service. The City gobbled all the different lines by brute politics.

You might recall (if you aren't one of them imported New Yorkers) that Puget Sound used to have swarms of small steamers and ferries carrying passengers from points A to points B. All built and operated by private entrepreneurs. And the State of Washington gobbled them up by brute politics too.

So why don't you and some of your buddies start your own cute light rail project, so Ron Sims and Greg Nickels can grab it and call it public transportation?

Posted by: Insufficiently Sensitive on July 15, 2007 08:58 PM
19. #2 B.S. The condo you describe would go for $275k MAX! As a property owner on State St. I know this. Jim Miller, care to wiegh in?

Posted by: paul on July 15, 2007 09:12 PM
20. How about weigh? Sorry.

Posted by: paul on July 15, 2007 09:23 PM
21. Insufficiently Sensitive @18, You convince the City, the State, and Homeland Security to let me tunnel under downtown and I'll get started. :)

Posted by: Giffy on July 15, 2007 09:53 PM
22. The basic distinction you're completely missing is that Houston is a shithole.

Posted by: BillL on July 15, 2007 10:33 PM
23. I'm not saying those areas are all "built out". What I am trying to get across to you is that trying to "fit" massive rail structures (that will actually do any good) in our already congested area won't work.

NY and Chicago built them then the sprawl worked its way along the rails. Here we have plenty of sprawl and the nuts want us to believe the rail will serve it.

It's like trying to build a fence after your 2,000,000 goats have found grass to munch on in the surrounding 50 miles of grass land: IT'S TOO DAMNED LATE. The goats are where they want to work and play: they aren't interested in being limited by your goat fence.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold on July 15, 2007 11:12 PM
24. Stefan writes: In Houston, $225,000 will buy a three-bedroom house with a game room, den, in-ground pool and hot tub. In Manhattan, it will buy a parking space. No windows, no view. No walls. At that point, a person from Mars would expect the rest of the article to explain what Houston is doing right, and what Manhattan is doing wrong.

A person from Earth, by contrast, would attribute this to differences in supply and demand.

At Rover's, $300 will get you dinner and beverages for two. At McDonald's, it will get you dinner and beverages for 60. I guess Rover's should wonder what it's doing wrong.

Posted by: Bruce on July 16, 2007 12:23 AM
25.
Absolutely right. Sprawl wins!

There's good news in South King -- I keep seeing signs for housing (condos) selling for $180,000. It's a start. The housing signs have started sliding as well....first it was the 400s, now it's the "high 300s". Pretty soon well dip into the 200s. It's gotta come....the Puget Sound just isn't that great an area. It's "ok", just not worth the egregious prices people are charging.


Posted by: John Bailo on July 16, 2007 07:01 AM
26. New York = human anthill

Nobody sane would really want to live there.

Posted by: John Galt on July 16, 2007 09:31 AM
27. Paul at #19-BS to you! I was walking on the Kirkland waterfront on Saturday, and the Real Estate board outside the waterfront condos (the 1960's vintage ones) stated that the owner was asking $695,000 for his one-bedroom unit. So the waterfront location is worth $300K?

Posted by: Carol Kujawa on July 16, 2007 09:44 AM
28. I lived in Houston for some 26 years, moving here in 2001. It was always a puzzle to people how a city its size could grow, and grow well without zoning. Usually, when a new mayor was elected, they would try to put zoing laws in place, but were soundly defeated by the voters. One other factor which contributed to lower cost housing is that Texas is a right=to=work state, another law that the unions tried to change continually, to no avail.

I am alittle puzzled as to the rail in Houston. When I left there was the Toonerville Trolley ( a street car) which ran from downtown to the Med Center. I'm quite certain in the limited time they have not installed a full rail system, something else the voters fought.

Posted by: F. Lambert on July 16, 2007 10:40 AM
29. I lived in Houston for some 26 years, moving here in 2001. It was always a puzzle to people how a city its size could grow, and grow well without zoning. Usually, when a new mayor was elected, they would try to put zoing laws in place, but were soundly defeated by the voters. One other factor which contributed to lower cost housing is that Texas is a right=to=work state, another law that the unions tried to change continually, to no avail.

I am alittle puzzled as to the rail in Houston. When I left there was the Toonerville Trolley ( a street car) which ran from downtown to the Med Center. I'm quite certain in the limited time they have not installed a full rail system, something else the voters fought.

Posted by: F. Lambert on July 16, 2007 10:41 AM
30. Bruce writes:
Stefan writes: In Houston, $225,000...explain what Houston is doing right, and what Manhattan is doing wrong.
Actually it was Jim who wrote that.

Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on July 16, 2007 11:19 AM
31. Sorry, Stefan!

Posted by: Bruce on July 16, 2007 02:12 PM
32. What is so bad about planning? Do you prefer that we don't plan? What private sector corporation does not plan?

Rob @ 13: the obvious difference is that a company plans USING ITS OWN MONEY. I would prefer not to have my life planned for me and be forced to pay for it, too... just so some politician can pat himself on the back for being such a great leader.

Posted by: John Galt on July 16, 2007 04:13 PM
33. Comrades,

What we need is a 5 year plan updated annually.

Posted by: Snuffy on July 16, 2007 07:34 PM
34. hahahaha...you made my day snuffy, actually laughing at my desk with coworkers looking upon me in disbelief

Posted by: student of history on July 17, 2007 10:19 AM
35. I'll bet the 1869 subways and els in New York didn't take a single automobile off the streets. Or a single horse. If Seattle in 2007 has the horse problem and its related sanitation problem that New York had in 1869, I'd support more improvments than public transporation.

And count me one of those who prefer Houston to Seattle.

Posted by: Hailstroms on July 21, 2007 05:09 PM
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