June 08, 2007
(Your name here) is mad as hell
My reply to a letter posted by Postman:
Subject: Your Name wants to keep the Sonics in Washington, but only if the Sonics can support themselves in the marketplace
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at June 08, 2007
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I am writing this letter to encourage our local government to tell the Seattle SuperSonics and Storm to find their own solutions to their own financial problems. As a voting taxpayer my expectation is that our government doesn't finance some people's amusements using other people's money. It is not acceptable to simply roll over and give these mendicant team owners a gift from the public purse. Action and leadership are required on your part.
Failure to tell the schnorrers to go pound sand will be a major consideration in upcoming elections. If the teams receive public funds I can assure you that my vote will be affected.
Here's what I posted over at Postman's blog:
"Sonics leave town? Not soon enough, IMHO.
Hey legislature!...You give one farthing to that bunch, and the voters will rise up and hound you to the nether reaches where there is perpetual weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth!
No public funds or subsidies of any type no matter how derived, named, or disguised! Save a suitcase fund...I will support a suitcase fund to help them pack their jocks and uni's for the trip to Oklahoma City.
Adieu, Squatch! Write when you find honest work!
There are some chuckleheads over there who think spending money on a Sonics arena is more important than spending money on jails or schools, one of which these putzes belong in and the other they never attended.
Don't have a lot of worries, however, since any public funding for a Sonics arena is DOA.
2. Yeah, we can just build another empty prison instead
3. I think we should put the next empty prison in say everett to evenly distribute the buggar pickers and the jay walkers.
Like a leech he follows me around!
5. "Cultural amenities." Ha! Nice letter, Stefan.
6. Note to piper,When we have an empty prison just sitting there in tacoma,and only 26 percent of THE BUDGET left in King CountY,we are spending way too much for criminal justice.
That is the single biggest factor for the price increases that doomed my small business.
Prices were 3.50.
Prices went up to 5.50
business was cut in half.
The single biggest increase in overhead was criminal justice cost which went from 59 to 72 percent.
It's not like we are going to revive the golden goose by not funding the sonics arena.
The golden goose was killed in King County growing criminal justice budgets,education budgets,and metro transit budgets.
Now I have a prison in Tacoma waiting for us to catch enough buggar pickers and jaywalkers to fill.
Piper is hiding under a rock on this one.
I hate to say this but you guys are blowing smoke up your own.
The simple fact is that if the Sonics manage to get some government entity to subsidize a new arena or a move to Bellevue or whatever, not one politician will lose his job because of it. You know it, I know it.
Off the subject a little . . . I posted over at the Northwest Progressive the other day and Ivan called me a liar!!
He really hurt my feelings.
9. Yeah, we can just build another empty prison instead
Better an empty prison than an empty basketball arena.
Let me get this argument straight...because there is an empty prison in Tacoma, the taxpayers should be forced to subsidize another sports arena.
If that is the best logic in favor of corporate welfare, methinks the Sonics are moving out of town. Like OKC.
If you want to say "no money to ANYBODY," that's fine. However, few things annoy me more than those who say, "fund what *I* like and not what others do."
That the Sonics & players make money is true. So do the "artistes" who weld together pieces of trash and call it "art," as do the *professional* musicians who play in our various arts facilities.
Personally, I think that the biggest issue with sports facilities is that professional politicians get involved and things don't get done right in the first place. Ten years later, all of the compromises come back to bite you on the a**.
Long story short, just don't let me catch you advocating for any spending much outside of cops and roads.
Especially now that you guys are coming around! The new Sonic owner's bidness pardner was one of the major contributors to the Swift Boat Liars' campaign.
So it's good to see you are learning.
Boy did this topic go to hell. An empty prison in Tacoma caused a business to go bankrupt?? The new Sonics owner gave a political contribution to a group someone doesn't like? What does that have to do with public funding of a new arena?
My view is that sports teams of all types need to support their business just like everyone else. The cost of their play areas should be part of their business expense paid by their revenues just like it is for everyone else trying to make a go of it. Why does the fact that their product is a sport justify dipping into the public's pocket? Doesn't make any sense to me.
14. Speaking of getting what you paid for, how about our girl Christine! Throw a little coin her way and she dances to our tune like a stripper at Ricks. We could have never defeated that evil expansion of gambling initiative without her help. See you at the grand opening of the new wing of the casino boys and girls.
15. TheRealMark: That's right. No money should be spent until Police and Fire Departments, EMS, Roads and education are funded. Then maybe we can start looking at projects outside essential services to support. The only thing I can say about the Sonics, although I have always been a fan, is that maybe if they would win a few instead of throwing so many games away in the third or fourth, the public might be more benevolent.
I read that the Cavs-Spurs Game 1 hadthe lowest ratings for an NBA Final in TV history!
Maybe pro-basketball needs a new angle instead of browbeating the public into "funding" it.
[ Off the subject a little . . . I posted over at the Northwest Progressive the other day and Ivan called me a liar!!
He really hurt my feelings.]
Isn't that illegal here? Hurt feelings are a major crime aren't they? I'm sure our socialist masters and their legions of lawyers will support you in your horrible suffering.
Oh, wait, you aren't a dumbocrap are you?
18. Save our Blue pages.org
contact Piper scott.
Meeting in front of the ferry terminal on wednesdays
Save our Corporate gouge and empty prisons.org
Meeting in front of the empty prison in Tacoma.
19. Yeah mark we need a fatter blue page section.
Just go to
Fatten our blue pages.org.
Contact piper scott.
Meeting every wednesday at various public troughs in the area,
Save our corporate gouge's and empty prisons .net
Meeting every time the red light is on at any krispy kreme near you
Fox3 @ 17:
I'm a victim!
Seriously, I'm a recovering Demorat. I've been clean and sober for a little over 15 years now.
The wall of separation between church and state has been a major contributor to the vibrancy of religious activity in this country. Note the decline of religion in Britain, where they have the Church of England.
I'm sure that a separation between sport and state would do wonders for the professional sports industry. We'd have lower prices, better quality, and more variety if government got the heck out of pro sports.
Next we need a separation of education and state. We were supposed to have that at the federal level, since the Constitution does not authorize the feds to legislate in the area of education. Bush's No Child Left Behind is just as unconstitutional as the rest of the Fed. Dept. of Education. Reagan almost deleted that one back in the 80's.
I take issue with the Piper's comment that we should spend more on schools. Educational outcomes are not related to incremental spending increases. Instead we need choice, and the ultimate form of choice is privatization. Let's give ed. vouchers only to the poor. I'm a teacher, by the way...
Same thing with health care. Cover the poor only, and leave the rest of us to the better choices and better service of the free market. Look for Republicans to pass more socialized medicine proposals in their quest to regain power. The poor and sick will get the worst end of that deal.
But good work opposing corporate welfare to big sports business, Stefan!
22. Seattle blue pages
King County Blue pages
Federal Blue Pages
Clearly many in this thread don't want to let facts get in the way of some really spiffy one liners.
King County can build the most expensive sewage treatment plant in history, wasting billions of taxpayer dollars so that the county executive can have a really cool plaque hanging on his wall when he is done but we can't have enough vision to build a state of the art events center that would host around 225 events a year and bring hundreds of millions into the local economy.
I know it is popular to bash pro sports and there is a lot of good reason to have some distaste for some in that industry, but in a state that gives $64 billion in tax breaks to corporations, most of which goes right to their bottom line profits, it amazes me that people can be so ignorant and shortsighted as they are in this issue.
Well, check this fact: The taxpayers of this state should not subsidize ANY professional sports team... including the Sonics.
That we've been conned into it for so long doesn't mean that there wasn't a learning curve... and the fact is that we're at the end of this particular model.
There is no argument in favor of taxpayer subsidies for these multi-millionaires that could not, logically, be applied to non-sport multi-millionaires who do a lot more for our community and who hire a great many more people then the Sonics or any other sports franchise.
I have yet to see, for example, Bill Gates demand that Bellevue or King County split the cost of his next expansion of Microsoft, or he'll move the whole outfit down to Silicon Valley.
The Sonics are a "nice-to-have," but are by no means a "must-have."
When they move (as if their staying here was ever a question) you may feel free to move to those utopias known as OKC or Kansas City or wherever they alight.
Those of us remaining behind? Well, after they leave, we'll muddle through somehow... reveling in our ignorance and shortsightedness, but several tens of millions of tax dollars ahead of the game.
It may have taken spoiled millionaire athletes to do it, but apparently consensus on Soundpolitics is the same as the Seattle City Council and ueber lefty Nick Licata.
You all think pro basketball isn't worth finding a solution to keep if that solution involves public funds.
Awesome. The guys on Soundpolitics agree with Licata on something. Kudos to out of town sports team owners coming up with an issue on which everone can agree. Group hug
26. Dave D: The point is, the guys on SP generally agree that essential services need to be funded before we can fund things that make us "feel good" and "make Metronatural look like a major sports contender". I personally would feel pretty good about reasonable commutes, about not worrying whether I am going to be hit by someone, all too often illegally here, with no license and no insurance, about feeling reasonably secure that a violent criminal will not be freed early to accost me and/or my family, about whether emergency medical services will even be available due to inadequate state funding that needs special levies, etc. I'll hold off on the group hug until I can feel good about all of those pesky little essential items.
27. How thoughtful of some to suggest that there be no public money used for sportsteams,when it was public money from the start.
Sam Schulman paid nothing to build the coliseum.
The anal conservatives and the blue page guardians dont want to continue a trend our grandfathers started,Only because the price has gone up more than they are willing to pay.
The excuses to not continue the trend of publicly funded sports arenas are just that Excuses,and not real reasons.
Notice how I have asked this question many times on many blogs,and nobody tries to answer why we paid for all of the cost of the first civic arena's,colisuem,Kingdome, one but required benefactors to do any other civic projects.
Notice how we became civicly cheap.
You wont be able to convince me that the blue pages are bereft of services and require urgent funding needs.
all I see are anal conservatives,and blue page guardians.
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