April 25, 2007
What did they expect?

Everybody around here says they want "growth management" and "affordable housing" until they see what that looks like.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at April 25, 2007 10:48 PM | Email This
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1. Affordable Housing, "created by government" is an oxymoronic idea. Government IS the problem, NOT the solution, especially to housing costs.

30-40 Percent of the cost of building can be directly attributed to government permit fees and to governmental regulations, most of which carry a high cost with or no little benefits. In fact some are counterproductive -- negative benefit and high cost mandated by government.

Cost savings do not figure in. Logic doesn't exist.

Density has been mandated. So has open space. Each costs someone either money or quality of living. If you accept the growth management concept you accept the results, even if those results actually directly impact you (of all people).

Posted by: Dick on April 25, 2007 11:20 PM
2. I do have to say one thing on this: I live in unincorporated Snohomish County, and I agree with the critics on this one. Not for the usual reasons maybe; I don't believe that we should be building more housing developments until we have enough roads in place to handle the additional traffic.

Anybody who thinks we should be building willy-nilly around here should be required to attempt to drive north on Route 9 during rush hour -- heck, any time after 3:30pm will do -- and see what that's like.

I work from home not because I want to save the environment or anything like that, but because I don't feel like spending four hours a day in my car.

Now consider this: I'm from NEW YORK.

Posted by: jvon on April 26, 2007 06:15 AM
3. What is crummy about these is the parking congestion...drive through one and look at what happens when there are 2 or 3 cars/trucks per unit. The sidewalks become unsafe. Dog crap is everywhere because there is no "empty field".

Posted by: Keb on April 26, 2007 06:23 AM
4. Try getting a permit to build a carport and see what a hassle it is. Then ask yourself how developers can build 1,200 houses that merge to a single, four way stop leading to a gridlocked interstate. My suggestion: Follow the money.

Posted by: Walters on April 26, 2007 06:26 AM
5. Our current version of growth management is to "affordable housing" what bogus refinery shutdowns are to gas prices.

Posted by: Hinton on April 26, 2007 06:30 AM
6. Blaming the Growth Management Act for high density and high home costs is like blaming Oregon land use law for it? The principal goal of growth management was to focus growth where the infrastructure was, or require that infrastructure to be built concurrently. But even "concurrently" doesn't mean concurrent in land use regulation watered down by the building industry. In the agenda to grow - and profit - concurrency was watered down to mean within 6 years. Add to that government bought and paid for working to shift infrastructure dollars from project to project, just ahead of development approvals, and shifted almost completely to the taxpayers, nothing has been built and there is no money to get us out of this mess.

People need to understand that a land use law, or any law, for that matter, that would regulate the ability of governments to give the blessing to development, must be enforced to work. Unfortunately, the GMA is used as the excuse for several decades of government unwillingness to enforce simple and logical mandates like concurrency. Some would call it simply corruption by governments to subvert this basic premise and then blame the GMA for the result.

Referred to as "CONcurrency" by anyone touched by the mechanism that drives growth without the necessary infrastructure, the Act is an easy target for politicians and critics deflecting deserved criticism for policies that overwhelm communities with poorly built, ugly crackerjack boxes that are sold based, not on a desire to gut buyers a break, but simply based on market prices driven by demand, and the growing ease of financing overpriced homes. And then its labelled as "affordble housing" to excuse the adverse impacts to our lifestyle.

These boring, "one size fits all" insta-neighborhoods, built in assembly-line effeciency and designed to maximize developers' profit on land that the left demands be offset by huge set-asides, are ugly and overly dense, not because of the Growth Management Act, but because government, in collusion with an industry that funds its land use agencies, promotes the crisis of affordable housing so they can be constructed, and unsuspecting people without much of a choice, buy them.

One thing is for certain, though. If you're a small or medium-sized builder, you can expect to pay extraordinary fees to get your permit. But if you're any one of the giants out there, like Quadrant or Murray Franklyn, you get a substantial volume discount based on one heck of a lot of careful and favorable government analysis. Most of it, of course, focused more on that permit fee at the end of the rainbow necessary to pay government salaries, than providing any real funding for the necessary infrastructure we're all desperate for.

This website more than most, is visited often by readers aware of government's inability to be fair, honest, or efficient. I would hope that readers generally acknowledge that it is the special interest, and rarely the law that drives bureacracies, particularly when those bureacracies are funded as a result of the decisions they make. That flaw in the funding model extends to government's ability to enforce even the simplest of laws, even when logic and the public good is behind them. Like concurrency, the logic is so simple to understand, but because it results in such a significant cost to governments that might try to enforce it, most don't bother. And in places like King County, planners and their agency leaders will even go to work manipulate analysis to bury impacts if you're a big enough customer.

Posted by: MJC on April 26, 2007 06:52 AM
7. Stefan.
Have you seen/visited in one of these developments?
Or did you simply read to the end of the article.

Posted by: David Sucher on April 26, 2007 07:01 AM
8. Quality of life is rarely mentioned during these affordable housing discussions. You have to have a real sense of humor to live in one of theses places. You have to be very careful who is elected to the homeowners association/condo association because they can easily spiral out of control with regulations that seriously impact your ability to enjoy and use your property.

I owned a property where they had underbuilt parking so much that they wanted to know what visitors license numbers were that may be visiting your home on a frequent basis so they could judge if they were abusing the common area parking. They wanted pet license tag #'s, they wanted property insurance policy #'s and limits so they could judge if it was adequate. They limited the number of homes in the community that can be rented at any given time. Don't forget with this type of density you are also going to have to develope an appreciation for other peoples lifestyles, cooking odors, choices in music, pet behaviors and levels of cleanliness. Trash days were a real trip, especially holidays with all of those overflowing cans stacked on too narrow streets, more often than not blown over in the wind and rain with the garbage going everywhere. Welcome to GMA gone wild.

Posted by: Smokie on April 26, 2007 07:07 AM
9. A lot of this is ridiculously convoluted zoning restrictions - I bet the developer who built those houses really close together was discouraged (through incentives or extra requirements?) from adjoining them.

Let density increase in the city cores. Sure, cap it at some level (even four or five stories with setbacks outside of business districts, so you still have sunlight on the sidewalks), but there are place in Seattle still zoned single family. It's clear from the speed at which new condo development sells out that there are a lot of people taking up our single family homes who would be happy to live in condos!

Posted by: Ben Schiendelman on April 26, 2007 07:24 AM
10. Dick:

You're only looking at part of the equation. Without massive road subsidies, growth would never have sprawled like this. We're seeing backlash now with all these big highway replacement projects.

Density occurs naturally. Businesses and people, for the most part, want to be close to each other - That's why city cores develop in the first place. Remember, Seattle existed as a city before any land use or zoning laws. Sprawl, and then the law necessary to reign sprawl in, only really started with the highway projects.

Posted by: Ben Schiendelman on April 26, 2007 07:34 AM
11. We live outside the growth boundary in unincorporated KC, and feel fortunate for it. But that doesn't mean we aren't affected by the GMA. Because as soon as we travel inside the boundary (it's about 3 or 4 miles from us), we see the result - cookie cutter McMansion developments of houses built right on top of each other. There's also a huge complex of condos/apartments built just inside the boundary, but with no improvement of roads leading to I-405, this has made a traffic mess during busy times.

We were fortunate enough to purchase our home before the market headed north fast, because now houses that have land have gone through the roof.

Posted by: Palouse on April 26, 2007 08:06 AM
12. "poorly built, ugly crackerjack boxes", "boring, 'one size fits all' insta-neighborhoods", "ugly and overly dense"

Now that you've presented your opinions as facts, you actually back them up?

Posted by: H Moul on April 26, 2007 08:23 AM
13. A typical Lynnwood development gets 3-3.5 units per acre. A Seattle lot layout gets you about 5.5/acre.

An airhead condo gets you about 12/acre. An old-fashioned apartment complex with similar parking problems gets you a max. of 20/acre. New condo projects with 5 and up stories get you about 60 units/acre with very, very limited parking.

Where are the people going to live? I say these airhead condos provide better living quarters than the other high density types of development. And people want to own their own homes.

I am still shocked that cities like Edmonds and Lynnwood and Bothell, to name a few, were able to avoid the wrath of the NIMBYS when GMA first came out. These cities made a deal with the folks that 3.5 units/acre (er, 4, when you subtract a few things) was okay. The 1000 ENEMIES OF WASHINGTON allowed the cities to thumb their noses at GMA. 15 or so years later, the land is eaten up and people have no where to go.

Posted by: swatter on April 26, 2007 08:34 AM
14. There's plenty of affordable housing in Rainer Valley/Skyway neighborhoods. Looking on RedFin there seem to be a few 3 and 4 bedroom homes (1400+ sq ft) in the low $300k range. Or you can buy a 600 sq ft condo in Greenlake/Queen Anne for that price.

Posted by: Cato on April 26, 2007 11:16 AM
15. Cato, you sure have some weird ideas about the definition of "affordable" is.

Posted by: Hinton on April 26, 2007 11:19 AM
16. Lets call a spade a spade. For all of the euphemistic terminology, what the "hig density" advocates are actually advocating are row houses and tenaments. If anyone put it that way, no one in their right mind would support it.

Add "light rail" (trams) to the mix, with the forest of overhead wires attendent, you have the bronx, or perhaps the mission district in san francisco.

The brave new world these idiots are advocating can be seen in any documentary about 1900.

People should fix the damned roads and quit this nonsense.

Posted by: bfr on April 26, 2007 11:32 AM
17. Lets call a spade a spade. For all of the euphemistic terminology, what the "hig density" advocates are actually advocating are row houses and tenaments. If anyone put it that way, no one in their right mind would support it.

Add "light rail" (trams) to the mix, with the forest of overhead wires attendent, you have the bronx, or perhaps the mission district in san francisco.

The brave new world these idiots are advocating can be seen in any documentary about 1900.

People should fix the damned roads and quit this nonsense.

Posted by: bfr on April 26, 2007 11:33 AM
18. Affordable housing? Ha! Affordable to whom? Coming from Texas, imagine the sticker shock we had. My bro-in-law bought his house (2 years ago) for $205k. Mind you, the house is 5 bed, 3 bath and 3600 sq ft. Here? That would get you a small house in Everett, or a lean-to in Seattle.

We've been in Everett for a little more than two years, just buying our house about 6 months ago. We avoided new developments due to the small yards. We have kids, and would like to have a yard for the kids to play in. That steered us towards older neighborhoods.

Posted by: Big Tex on April 26, 2007 01:18 PM
19. Hinton:
Low-300k for a 3br/2ba house is affordable around here. Especially when a 1br/1ba goes for the same amount in Greenlake/Queen Anne. Seattle is definitely not Detroit.

You can buy a 1br/ba houseboat on Lake Union for 89k. Thats much more affordable, not really practical for raising a family. I could only find one other house in Seattle for under 200k.

Posted by: Cato on April 26, 2007 01:34 PM
20. The cities have all the power they need to stop the County, simply annex the UGA as planned under GMA. I am confident in saying that there is not a County official anywhere in the state who would not relish the opportunity to get out of the Urban Planning business. The problem is the cities, as Eric points out well, yield to the nimby's in their smaller jurisdiction and don't plan for higher density that is required by GMA. By default, the county is required to build a plan to achieve unit yield based on growth projections issued by the state. In the end, the cities have the power to control their own future, but are unwilling to bite the bullet and draw the ire of the hypocrites in no growth crowd.

Regards

Jeff Sax

Posted by: Jeff Sax on April 26, 2007 02:20 PM
21. Look, I own 5.4 acres of land up by Lake Stevens. Some day, I will probably get moderately rich selling this place -- they'll tear down my house and build 30 new ones.

That doesn't make it a good idea, though.

I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad idea, either, just that allowing all this building without upgrading the roads to handle the new traffic is completely insane. I schedule my entire day around the traffic. A trip that should take 15 minutes can take well over an hour.

Posted by: jvon on April 26, 2007 02:22 PM
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