April 20, 2007
State Senate debates Iraq war

The State Senate yesterday debated the Iraq War and impeachment of the President. Postman has quotes from both sides.

By pushing the state legislature to debate national issues over which it has no real influence, Senator Eric Oemig (D-Kirkland) demonstrated (again) that he's more interested in being a grandstanding ideologue than he is in representing his district's interests in state government.

On the other hand, I'd rather see Oemig fritter his one term in the Legislature on silly symbolism than advancing the foolish and destructive state laws that he's been sponsoring.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at April 20, 2007 11:42 AM | Email This
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1. Given the fact that the time for getting bills through committee and on to the floor has passed this is kind of catch-22 statement.

I fail to see how he can represent 'his district's interests' on this final day of the Legislative session anymore than say a Republican member can.

Posted by: Cato on April 20, 2007 12:13 PM
2. Hey! You demodorks in Olympia! It's a FEDERAL matter. If you're to freakin' stupid to know the difference between Federal and State get the hell outta' there you are too ignorant to be asking me if I want fries with that, let alone making law.

But what should I expect from a bunch who can't figure out you can't spend more money than comes in. While DOC and DSHS are severely broken agencies causing the deaths of Children and Police Officers you worthless bags of &*^% are voting on a State Amphibian.

I don't think I've seen a more repulsive group of refuse in my life. I think I'd prefer the company in Occidental Park at least they are what they seem.

A pox upon you all *** SPIT!

/rant off

Posted by: JCM on April 20, 2007 12:34 PM
3. Hey JCM, give it a rest, he's just blowing hot air. Since there's really nothing to do in this session why not granstand about some populist issue? God forbid there ever be a politician that liked to hear him/herself talk.

Please elaborate on how a broken DOH/DHSHS leads to police officers dying?

Posted by: Cato on April 20, 2007 01:20 PM
4. Cato,

Where have you been, under a rock?

DOC report cites systemic failures in community supervision

After four months of examination into the deaths of three King County law enforcement officers killed by felons under state supervision, the state Department of Corrections has refused to shoulder responsiblity for those fatalities.

While over at DSHS.
Judge finds mother's abuse killed young son
Court documents tell of abuse in death of boy, 8
As foster parent, I can tell you DSHS has increased their budget while decreasing services to children.

Wake up. Olympia is populated by the slimest bunch since Tammany Hall that is more concerned with paying off the Unions than protecting kids.

Posted by: JCM on April 20, 2007 01:51 PM
5. Did you know that Olympia is a "Nuke Free Zone?"

Oemig fits in with the same silliness that established this "zone."

Posted by: Jack Burton on April 20, 2007 02:41 PM
6. I could think of a dozen more important things to be "blowing" time on in the legislature during the last couple of days than this. If he was wanting to be more than a one-timer, he could have had some hearings to prepare for next year.

Posted by: swatter on April 20, 2007 02:57 PM
7. Cato: Oemig has been spending far more time on this nonsense than the last day of session. We've been talking about his little impeachment agenda activities for the last month, at least. Where you been? He's wasting taxpayer time and money, and making the whole state look like the idiot that he is.

Posted by: katomar on April 20, 2007 04:40 PM
8. Give Eric a break!!!!!!

He's gluten intolerant!!!

He's handicapped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Seattle's Best!!!!!! on April 20, 2007 06:38 PM
9. That's nice Stefan, except what is going on in Washington is also going on in other states, such as in Oregon, for example (http://loadedorygun.blogspot.com/2007/04/breaking-senate-cmte-to-hear-all-iraq.html).

But perhaps you've been living under a rock and just aren't aware of all the trickle down ramifications of billions of dollars of Washington tax-payer money being spent on this war with no direction or end.

Posted by: Daniel K on April 20, 2007 08:10 PM
10. Given the U.S. Senate Majority Leader Reid's criteria for evaluating the Iraq situation, I fully expect him to come out in favor of eliminating the War on Poverty as well. We can't win so we should stop trying. We had better round file that pesky war on drugs too. Maybe Oemig can have a non-binding resolution on that because I don't think Harry has got the message. We haven't eliminated illiteracy through decades of effort, we might as well fold up that tent. Crime certainly hasn't gone away in the last 200 plus years, maybe we should give that law enforcement thing a rest. Yep we should just quit fighting evil and surrender to it just like Ghandi said, eventually They must get tired of slitting our throats...just ask Danny Pearl.

Posted by: Huh? on April 20, 2007 08:40 PM
11. Way to go Eric. Impeachment would be too good for Bush, and the rest of the slime oozing out of our White House. Karl Rove running the Justice Dept. for political purposes. An Attorney General that can't remember his middle name. Eight prosecutors fired, and six of them investigating corrupt Republicons. Dick gotta have torture Cheney. Wiretaps with no oversight, ignoring the Geneva Convention, the right to a lawyer, or a speedy trial for Americans as guaranteed in our bill of rights.

How about the right of American Citizens to not be tortured? Ask Padilla how it felt to be chained to a stake naked in a freezing cell. Good or bad he is still and American, and innocent till proven guilty.

It is kinda funny how a president swears an oath to defend the constitution, and then urinates, and defecates on it daily with the help of the bobble head GOP deliverance types, too afraid of losing their power. All Bush has to do is pretend to be a Christian, and millions approve of every sin he commits, and believe every lie he tells. They practically sacrifice their children to their war god Bush, who is by the way doing exactly what Bin Laden wanted him to do. Get bogged down in Iraq, just like the Soviets got bogged down and ran out of Afghanistan.

I have an idea for you Eric. Why don't you compile a list of all the crimes of Bush, and his crooked buddies, and begin reading them on the Senate Floor. In a couple dozen years you may have to yield...

It is ok Eric. Most Americans are getting sick of our government being run like the mafia. The rest will figure it out sooner or later. There is no American so retarded that they won't figure out Bush, and his supporters have caused America more damage than can ever be repaired.

I can barely remember the good old days when the United States was actually respected around the world. Now Americans have to pretend to be Canadians to keep from getting assaulted as they travel. They couldn't even paint the American Flag on the bus our World Cup Soccer Team was traveling in for fear of being attacked. Not by terrorists, but by citizens.

His ass should be impeached. Then prosecuted for war crimes at the Hague. Don't tell me he didn't know what was happening at Abu Gharib.

Posted by: Facts on April 20, 2007 09:21 PM
12. Forgot to mention the doubling of our national debt (by 2008), so corporate America, and the top 1% can reap record gains. Of course of the five trillion we spent, that we borrowed, the only thing we have to show for it is a Star Wars boondoggle that couldn't shoot down a Led Zeppelin.

Oh, also forgot the total destruction of our military, and our military readiness.

"You go to war with the army you have", and then I guess you back door draft, and extend the duties, and use repeated deployments to decimate what is left, invading, and occupying nations that were practically no threat to America whatsoever. Iraq was only a threat in Bush's dreams, and Cheney's wet dreams.

If you wonder how Iraq might turn out, just think of the odds of the Patriots defeating the greatest military power of their time a couple hundred years ago. England.

But one must remember. Every single press conference Bush claims our nations problems are all because of the Democrat party.

Yeah right. Smoke some more crack you war pig.

Posted by: Facts on April 20, 2007 09:35 PM
13. Facts:
One big problem with your "facts" Facts. Bush hasn't done anything to be impeached for. You may not like what Bush does and you may take a deeper drink of the lefist cool-aid than most but, sorry to tell you this, because you don't like it doesn't mean it's impeachable.

Your a**hole buddies who took over congress have blown so much smoke up your keester that you actually think that Bush is going to be impeached. Wrong-o wack-o. They know what you don't (see the first sentence).

One good thing about all of this, I get to ask screwballs like you: "How's that impeachment going?"

Well?

(Answer: It ain't . . .ever. You got suckered you freakin' dope)

Posted by: G Jiggy on April 20, 2007 09:59 PM
14. Jiggy, how come a right winger can't write an opinion without an insult? Listen to Coulter Mangirl, Hanjob, or Rush Limpdick a little too long?

Bush is not being impeached at this moment because he has damaged America in so many ways, the Democrats are more worried about changing course, than freezing our government for the next year.

The Bush Gang commits practically an impeachable offense on a daily basis.

Here is a short list, but I doubt any right wing lemmings would bother to read it.

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1639

Put him under oath, and let me ask the questions. Give me $60,000,000 for research too like when they hired Ken Star to hound dog Bill and Hillary, with every unsubstantiated rumor being printed in the conservative controlled main stream media.

You know what. I don't need any research money. Violating FISA, and lying about yellowcake, and Al Queda ties, as well as mushroom clouds is enough grounds to impeach him 4 times already.

Good thing incompetence is not an impeachable offense. Never mind ignoring a hundred warnings America was about to be attacked, and never calling one single meeting to discuss increasing security at airports, or anywhere else.

Go ahead and support this imbecile. It only shows how blind you are. Whatever you do don't look back to the time when our constitution, and bill of rights actually meant anything.

Posted by: Facts on April 21, 2007 07:05 AM
15. Cato:

You still fail to explain how it's the State Senate's business to debate national issues. I'm waiting...

Posted by: Manco_Dollars on April 21, 2007 07:10 AM
16. Facts,

Should the person who said this be removed from office?

"We must recognize that there is no indication that Saddam Hussein has any intention of relenting. So we have an obligation of enormous consequence, an obligation to guarantee that Saddam Hussein cannot ignore the United Nations. He cannot be permitted to go unobserved and unimpeded toward his horrific objective of amassing a stockpile of weapons of mass destruction. This is not a matter about which there should be any debate whatsoever in the Security Council, or, certainly, in this Nation. If he remains obdurate, I believe that the United Nations must take, and should authorize immediately, whatever steps are necessary to force him to relent--and that the United States should support and participate in those steps.

We must not presume that these conclusions automatically will be accepted by every one of our allies, some of which have different interests both in the region and elsewhere, or will be of the same degree of concern to them that they are to the U.S. But it is my belief that we have the ability to persuade them of how serious this is and that the U.N. must not be diverted or bullied."

From our previous ignorant rant I would presume you would agree that this preson should be removed from office.

Problem is the mouth those words came out if is likely the person you voted for.

John F. Kerry
November 9, 1997: speech on the floor of the Senate, [Congressional Record, p. S12256]:
By the way he served in Vietnam.

Posted by: JCM on April 21, 2007 07:23 AM
17. Facts:

With your idiotic mentality, I'd be surprised if you are able to hold down a decent job for more then a few weeks at a time. Talk about lack of focus.

Posted by: Manco_Dollars on April 21, 2007 07:26 AM
18. (no) Facts;
Like I said before, there isn't one thing that Bush has done that is impeachable. Not one. Because you don't like it, doesn't make it impeachable. A law has to be broken. Remember? Like what Clinton did, lie in court.

You lefties are all stoked on impeachment because your "leaders" said it was going to happen. Well, Facts, why hasn't it happened yet? Your buddies have been are in control for four months. Tell them to get started.

They can't because there isn't any cause. They just blew smoke up your keester to get elected. You and all your moron compatriots got rolled by "the party of the people".

Ha, ha, ha!!

Hey Facts! How's that impeachment going?

Posted by: G Jiggy on April 21, 2007 03:01 PM
19. (no) Facts:
I also forgot to answer your question @ 14.

I write plenty of opinions without insult. It's just that you don't deserve the favor of a decent reply.

Your're a cool-aid drinker and I simply hate every last one of you. Without reservation. Your brains don't work, you don't have any critical reasoning skills and you infect everything you touch with leftist dogma. Other than that you're probably a nice person.

Posted by: G Jiggy on April 21, 2007 03:09 PM
20. I am against the war, but really if the state legislature wants to do anything about it they should work to get senators elections back to the state legislatures rather than popular elections. That is how the founders had intended on the states feeding back their anger at the feds. Now state governments have no teeth.

Travis Pahl

Posted by: Travis Pahl on April 21, 2007 05:30 PM
21. Omeg's a putz.

eye off the ball. in a different stadium. wonder what his constitutents think. if they elected him, then they are their own worst enemies. wasting our tax money on his personal unrelated quests/opinions. come back to earth & serve your district, you fool! chase yor windmills on your own dime.

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on April 22, 2007 04:19 AM
22. I agree with #21's assessment of Oemig. However, the President needs to be held in check with his mismanagement of the war. That is not the job of this State's legislature and a waste of taxpayer money.

Unfortunately, it looks to be Mexican standoff (with Bush on the side of the Mexicans) where neither the White House or the Dem-controlled Congress can come up with a viable solution to the quasi-civil war and Al-Qaeda attacks in Iraq. We have a President who has actually done some good things, with the Supreme Court appointments and tax cuts for all. However, he has done more detrimental things that will affect the future of this country - he is pushing amnesty for illegal aliens. As for our involvement in Iraq - I have heard that we are still fighting with one-hand behind our back with no change in the rules of engagement.

If anyone of you pro-war activists in the minority wants to try and refute this, then have at it.

Posted by: KS on April 22, 2007 12:29 PM