March 26, 2007
Nickels runs out of nickels

P-I: "Nickels doesn't have the cash for more police"

Promising more police was the easy part.

But Mayor Greg Nickels has yet to answer this crucial question about his recently announced plan to add 105 officers to the city's police force: How will he pay for it?

Post your suggestions in the comments.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at March 26, 2007 09:44 AM | Email This
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1. Perhaps if this spoiled and stubborn child had not insisted on having his costly "mean nothing" vote on either the viaduct replacement or the "Sims/Nickles Orafice"; there would be one million additional dollars to put towards the badly needed Seattle PD manpower increase.

Posted by: JohnB on March 26, 2007 09:49 AM
2. If we weren't paying for the upkeep and the initial purchase of a couple of space age toilets, turned drug hangouts, then there would be extra cash. usually though, he just cuts the budget for the Fire Department.

Posted by: Union Fireman on March 26, 2007 10:15 AM
3. City taxpayers were forced to pay over $200 million toward a monorail concept, and all that money was WASTED. Nickels was THE BIGGEST supporter of the ETC and the SMP in town. Let him explain why that $200 million in wasted taxes was better for Seattle than more cops.

Something else Greg Nickels is responsible for is a nearly-useless drain on taxpayers. If voters ten years ago had not been so stupid, Nickels pet sound transit would not have been given the green light. There would be plenty of extra taxation capacity for all the local governments around here now.

Nickels should ice the ST2 plans - don't dump untold billions more down that rathole. Let taxes go to something like public safety that will help far more people than damn trains.

Posted by: sonofal on March 26, 2007 10:20 AM
4. This is particular sobering and ironic, given the willingness of the Mayor and City Council to raise taxes and waste billions on replacing the viaduct with either a new viaduct and/or a tunnerl and/or a so-called "surface transit option."

Let's not raise taxes to pay billions of dollars for one (or more) of the three schemes to replace the viaduct. Even a small fraction of those billions could be put to better use.

As I said in a January 29 post in a thread related to the police and crime:

"The issue of inadequate police presence is serious, and is a prime example of misplaced priorities. The city council and mayor contemplate spending billions on ill-conceived transportation plans.

"We need fiscal responsibility and fiscal conservatism, as opposed to wasteful programs and continual schemes to hike taxes.

"The entire budget of the Seattle police department is only around $212 million - a drop in the bucket compared to what the city leaders would have us waste on the tunnel.

"In all spheres of government bureaucracy, we must recognize that there is much wasteful spending on programs that are ineffective, obsolete, or no longer serve the purpose for which they were initially intended. Thus, program-by-program auditing and accountability is necessary, and we will often find that greater results can be accomplished with program reform and less actual spending.

"In Seattle, such a program-by-program audit would likely result in deep spending cuts in almost every program, with rare exceptions such as the police.

"Such a common sense approach would lead to more police presence, better crime prevention, improved public safety, lower taxes, a better business climate, and a big net decrease in spending.

"Unfortunately, the current city leadership is far from imagining public safety and reduced taxes as priorities."

(Originally Posted by: Steve Beren on January 25, 2007 03:09 PM )

Posted by: Steve Beren on March 26, 2007 10:22 AM
5. I think he should raise taxes. Every time a new tax proposal comes before the voters of this state, it's always the crowd inside the Silly of Seattle from which most of its support comes. Since they love taxes so much, let them be taxed. And if it brings them just a bit closer to their breaking point, where even they come to their senses, then we will have new allies in the fight to keep the cancer called government from spreading in countywide and statewide votes. Win-win.

Posted by: TB on March 26, 2007 10:23 AM
6. Don't raise taxes. Just take EVERY COP that works on things like busting prostitutes on Craigslist and making sure that strippers stay 4 feet away from customers and PUT THEM ON THE STREET. I don't know how many that is, but before you ask for more police, prioritize the ones you have.

Posted by: Palouse on March 26, 2007 10:30 AM
7. Nickels could sell "naming rights" for each of the Viaduct upright columns. They'll be around longer than he will!

Posted by: John425 on March 26, 2007 10:32 AM
8. Oh! The budget must be really, really tight if the city can't afford police.

Yes! Tax me more! Tax me more! But buy the kinder gentler kind of police.

/sarc

Posted by: JCM on March 26, 2007 10:42 AM
9. Union Fireman -

It's always the threat of cuts in Fire/EMS service that brings the people out to vote for whatever tax increase the powers-that-be want. Cities throw whatever garbage they want into the budget and then they say "Oh, we don't have enough to keep the fire trucks rolling." It's a shame the way politics trumps public safety at every turn. Fire and police are among the few services that really deserve more money - but it all ends up going to useless elections, new office space for the "big boys" and other pet projects. The potholes never seem to get fixed either!

Posted by: suzihomemaker on March 26, 2007 11:11 AM
10. So the P-I is Pravda-Izvestia, the worst newspaper in the country, blah blah blah ... unless there's something in its pages that furthers this board's agenda. Keep that unabashed hypocrisy coming, Sharkansky. It's laughably pathetic.

Posted by: Kenny Dale Hill on March 26, 2007 11:25 AM
11. Amen Suzi

I'd be interested in seeing what cuts Nickels has really made with the fire department - other than threats for votes.

Interesting that the Seattle Police Officers Guild is currently in negotiations with the city and Nickels tosses out a proposal for more officers; then later says there's no money. It's also interesting that routine patrol assignments - how and where officers are assigned to Seattle neighborhoods - is governed by negotiations. Negotiated patrols make it hard for a watch commander to change patrols when citizens cry "protection NOW."

Don't be surprised when Levy Nickels comes up with an announcement that patrol officers, police cruisers, and in turn protection of children are going to be cut if Seattle voters don't support a new levy for a newly proposed police budget. Heck, why not; it's only a latte (grande) a day and it's for the kids.

Posted by: IAFF Supported Kerry on March 26, 2007 11:53 AM
12. Suzi and IAFF,

Nickels downsized several units from 4 person to 3. He has put the remodel of one of the City's worst stations on hold.

The firefighters Union actually negotiated to work for more hours, in order to regain the cuts that the Mayor has made. Today, the Seattle Firefighters go on many more runs, than in the seventies, but their on duty staffing has actually decreased.

I am not in favor of the continued budget by levy design that many cities, counties and states work under. But you are right, pet projects come first, and then Fire and Police are the ones being threatened to be cut. Why more people won't step up and say that, or why we continue to let that happen, I will never know.

Oh yeah, and IAFF supported kerry, an interesting fact... Last year, 34% of the money that the IAFF spent on politics, went to republicans. I can't find another Union that spent even half of that amount for R's.

Posted by: Union Fireman on March 26, 2007 01:56 PM
13. whack the entire diversity, arts commission, sister city, illegal alien assistance and other feel good (non-essential) programs that help less important so-called victim classes and agenda. there's got to be plenty of $$ left after that.

i don't like bloated payrolls either, but first liners like police & fire i can support. they promote common sense civil order. they are practical. the other stuff is junk.

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on March 26, 2007 02:23 PM
14. union fireman

For an interesting look at IAFF expenditures do a Google search on : IAFF corruption.

Posted by: IAFF Supported Kerry on March 26, 2007 02:37 PM
15. If you ditched the entirely useless Presidential Primary vote in this state you could easily find the money to hire the new police officers.

Posted by: Cato on March 26, 2007 02:50 PM
16. Thanks for the education Cato. Till you post I never realized the city of Seattle funded the state primary.

Posted by: jopalm on March 26, 2007 03:34 PM
17. Good one #16...

That's like the Iraq war argument that the left likes to frequently use. Whatever the topic is - spending billions on a tunnel to replace the viaduct, a new monorail, million dollar toilets, whatever - it's always, "well you're wasting a trillion dollars on the Iraq war, so you can spend money on this!"

Posted by: Palouse on March 26, 2007 04:09 PM
18. Bend over Seattle & Lube up good....
Nickels is getting ready to ram home yet another tax increase in the name of Public Safety.
Suzi & others are 100% right...the sure fire way to mine for more money is to hold out Police or Fire as the desperate necessity.
Nickels has obviously already been overfed at the trough!!
How about accountability for the existing $$$
That would be too much to ask.
Or would it??
Steve Beren nailed it.
Seattle deserves precisely what it is getting....high taxes & unaffordable/unaccountable runaway government.
When the economy hits the skids and the Alaskan Way Viaduct project starts....Seattle will sink into a deep depression. They think they are depression proof???
Watch.

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on March 26, 2007 04:18 PM
19. Mayor Nickel-and-Dime-Us needs to work hand in glove with Governor Lib-oire to put the hundreds of released felons to work.

Here's an example of government partnership: open a "boilerroom" in City Hall full of identity theft felons to rip off people in credit card scams. Estimated revenue increase: 0.4 billion.

Problem solved!

Posted by: John Bailo on March 26, 2007 04:39 PM
20. Gulp Gulp Gulp....It's the democrats socialism at work!

Shouldn't be any suprise, they will soon take all that you own!

Their Hero Hugo Chavez is continuing his confiscation of private property just like Ron Sims) and is now positioned to take it all.

Emboldened by his landslide re-election win, the typically combative anti-U.S. leader has gone on the attack, deciding to strip a private opposition TV channel of its license and take over some major companies owned by foreign investors.

"Fatherland, socialism or death -- I take the oath," Chavez said.

Sound like our legislature, Seattle, and King County leaders in this state? I think so!



Posted by: GS on March 26, 2007 04:41 PM
21. He is working in Harmony with Gregoire, you let the felons walk out of jail early (to vote) and I'll need more police to keep the people safe...

A lose lose lose scenerio that the people of Seattle will sure to vote higher taxes for!

He is a Billion dollar + a day spender, that is for sure.

Posted by: gs on March 26, 2007 05:18 PM
22. There are literally tons of obscure city departments that siphon money from the budget; often they are for social programs, feel-good programs or other items that could be farmed out to private companies who would probably do them better at less cost. Why doesn't the city & the county within city limits combine into one entity & see how much could be saved? It's so wasteful to have all that King County stuff going on within the Seattle city limits.

The only items that should be in the city budget are police, fire, streets & utilities. Everything else is fluff & should be cut to the bone or eliminated entirely. The best place to start would be the Executive Department & all its minions who think their little fiefdom is the most important one in the city, followed by the City Council & its expenditures.

All the city budgets have become way over-blown & the depts. should either be eliminated, combined or drastically cut to only the essentials.

Posted by: Clean House on March 26, 2007 06:31 PM
23. Five-cent is a chip off of Tax to the max - Sims/he is his boy. They are working part and parcel to institute carbon credits in an attempt to create artificial capital. and expand light rail to the far corners of King County to expand their narcissistic legacies. The people of Seattle are the pawns, but their voting recoed shows that they play the part well.

The unintended consequences of this socialist, secular progressive agenda where there are not enough cops is to enable the anarchists to thrive. Another unintended consequence is to further debilitate the economy, in an attempt to do their part in slowing the nation's economy so that they can enable a Democrat to get elected Pres. in 2008.

Posted by: KS on March 26, 2007 08:19 PM
24. right clean 22--and proof of all this?

bum drinking apts, red light porta-prosti-toilets, Iraq votes by a city council, illegal alien don't ask zones/laws, hemp fests, uncountable plethora of micro-managing tax levies, etc etc.

i doubt many would miss those departments if they sunset tomorrow.

in fact, every city dept should sunset at some point & re-justify itself as better, needed still & why. very few would pass the test of "necessary"

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on March 27, 2007 02:30 PM
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