March 14, 2007
What did McKay know and when did he know it?

The story about former U.S. Attorney John McKay's performance on the 2004 election is growing. It has national significance as Attorney General Gonzalez is under increasing criticism.

Today's Seattle Times : "GOP chair called McKay about '04 election"

The Wall Street Journal mentions McKay in today's editorial about the sacked U.S. Attorneys.

McKay says that he

filed no charges and did not convene a grand jury because ... there was not sufficient evidence of federal crimes.
What information about the election did McKay examine, and how did he justify his conclusion?

For example, Bob Edelman sent this letter with exhibits to the FBI and to McKay in 2005. What kind of investigation ensued? What were the specific conclusions? That these were legal votes? Innocent mistakes? That it wasn't kosher, but too small potatoes to justify a federal case? The public deserves the details.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at March 14, 2007 03:50 PM | Email This
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1. did Clinton's firings of ALL US attorneys rate this much attention? Just askin', because if it didn't, then this fuss about 7 being fired is total political sniping and whining. And trolls know it. Other U.S. Attorneys seem to hone in on fraudulent vote activities. Why not ours, too?

Posted by: Michele on March 14, 2007 04:20 PM
2. wonder if this was a 'hazards of litig.' thing--i.e. too costly for the size of fish to be caught? no taking sides here, just maybe his marching orders about $$ & budgets?

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on March 14, 2007 04:49 PM
3. The 2004 Governor's recount is just like a social disease. It keeps giving, and giving.

Posted by: Reporterward on March 14, 2007 04:53 PM
4. Did Bob Edelman receive a reply from McKay, McKays office or the FBI?
Stephan, were you ever contacted by McKay, McKays office or the FBI?

Posted by: Cliff on March 14, 2007 04:58 PM
5. McKay's firing was OVERDUE. He should have been canned at the time he refused to investigate the corruption in Seattle. Yes, of course the corrupt were Dems, and the imposter as Governor is the successful result.

McKay should have been fired then. The phrase "useless like tits on a boar" come to mind, but that actually understates his aiding and abetting the crime of corruption. He actually should be in prison, not merely fired.

Posted by: Dick on March 14, 2007 04:58 PM
6. Cliff -- I was never contacted by the U.S. Attorney or the FBI. I had called both offices earlier in 2005, but nobody ever followed up with me.

Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on March 14, 2007 05:08 PM
7. this is an interesting situation....

mckay's performance may receive the necessary and deserved scrutiny b/c the dems control congress and can exercise the constiutionally-mandated oversight function of the executive. in doing so, stefan's hard work on this matter may be both advanced and further validated.

michelle re post #1: quit with the faux news talking points and pay attention to the facts:

"While that's true, the current case is different. Mass firings of U.S. attorneys are fairly common when a new president takes office, but not in a second-term administration. Prosecutors are usually appointed for four-year terms, but they are usually allowed to stay on the job if the president who appointed them is re-elected.


Even as they planned mass firings by the Bush White House, Justice Department officials acknowledged it would be unusual for the president to oust his own appointees. Although Bill Clinton ordered the wholesale removal of U.S. attorneys when he took office to remove Republican holdovers, his replacement appointees stayed for his second term.


Ronald Reagan also kept his appointees for his second term."

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/nation/16897325.htm?source=rss&channel=krwashington_nation

Posted by: dinesh on March 14, 2007 05:47 PM
8. Cliff,
I was never contacted by either McKay or the FBI. I made several attempts to meet with McKay's office and the FBI to review evidence but was turned away. I thought that evidence of fraud within the elections office would get their attention. Apparently not.

Posted by: Bob Edelman on March 14, 2007 05:58 PM
9. dinesh,

Check your facts. Wholesale firing of US Attorneys has nevera been common practice. Bill Clinton was the only president to fire all of them. (All but one - he caved to political pressure from a NJ Senator and didn't fire Michael Chertoff.)

Posted by: Bob Edelman on March 14, 2007 06:07 PM
10. Stephan@6
So if Mckay or his office did not contact you they never saw the evidence that Bob Edelman was informing them. How would they determine the veracity of the information if they did not contact you?
This in itself may be reason in itself for letting McKay go. Have you contacted Alberto Gonzales or his office and given him this information?

Posted by: Cliff on March 14, 2007 06:19 PM
11. Hmmmm, let's see now, a crooked election that results in a fraudulent Governor being installed in office, the highest elected State office of a member state of the Republic. Hardly what I would call "small potatoes". More like a super-sized Big Potato.

There is a Federal case here. Every Washington State voter who was effectively disenfranchised by having their vote cancelled by an illegal voter suffered harm. There is that little matter of equal protection under the law. It is even in the Constitution, IIRC.

Posted by: Interested Observer on March 14, 2007 06:22 PM
12. It is pretty evident now that Mckay was negligent in his duties from what Stephan and Bob say.
I always wondered why there was no investigation from the feds. Now it is obvious that if they did not take the time to look at the evidence of these claims that they were uninterested in seriously pusuing election fraud. Gonzales made a good decision in getting rid of him...

Posted by: Cliff on March 14, 2007 06:28 PM
13. Too little, too late. Best served cold, though, I guess.

Posted by: katomar on March 14, 2007 07:10 PM
14. Some of these examples are laughable:

Example #1: the provisional ballot without a signature ... look again: it's signed.

Example #2: the address which does not exist. Try a search at maps.google.com -- the claim made that this was a "non-existent block of 19th avenue" is simply untrue.

Example #3: did both the provisional and absentee votes get counted? until we know that, there isn't a crime ... though I'd love to know if both of these votes were counted. How do we find out?

I'm all for rooting out voter fraud and for having clean elections, but you gotta have more evidence than this garbage to get the attention of a US Attorney, in my humble opinion.

Posted by: James on March 14, 2007 07:23 PM
15. 1. The Wall Street Journal editorial says McKay is a Democrat. True or false?

2. Stuart Gerson was the acting AG under Clinton when those US attorneys were let go. He was a holdover from the Bush I administration. Here's what he said at Wash Post Online today:

"It is customary for a President to replace U.S. Attorneys at the beginning of a term. Ronald Reagan replaced every sitting U.S. Attorney when he appointed his first Attorney General. President Clinton, acting through me as Acting AG, did the same thing, even with few permanent candidates in mind. What is unusual about the current situation is that it happened in the middle of a term. However, all of the incumbents had served more than the four years presumed in their original commission and, I suggest, replacing them is entirely the prerogative of the executive, as each deposed U.S. Attorney has agreed. The personnel practices employed, giving inaccurate reasons for terminating them and not giving them the courtesy of notice, are, as the AG now concedes, unacceptable."

Posted by: Zenger on March 14, 2007 07:33 PM
16. James,
Example 1: The problem is that the registration application was not signed. What you see is the provisional ballot envelope signature. Please read the explanation under the exhibit.
Example 2: That block does not exist. Again, please read the explanation under the exhibit.
Exampel 3: Both empty ballot envelopes were found in record storage of counted ballots. Please look at Figures 3a and 3b.

Posted by: Bob Edelman on March 14, 2007 07:50 PM
17. John McKay was appointed to a four year term and completed that term. President Bush did not reappoint him (or any of the other U.S. Attorneys whose terms had expired). John McKay was allowed to continue in that office for several months after his term had expired.

How can this be called "firing"? Had McKay been released before his four year term was up, then it would be appropriate to say he was "fired". But not when he was allowed to stay many months after his term had expired.

Posted by: Richard Pope on March 14, 2007 07:58 PM
18. It's always appeared to me that Stefan's investigation - entirely voluntary, on his own time, exaustively and tenaciously pursued despite some arrogant (and probably illegal) resistance by the County to furnishing public records - gathered sufficiently good evidence of elections office malfeasance to warrant a more formal investigation by someone.

This evidence was posted photographically and logically day by day on his blog, and made a very strong case that some County rules for handling, canvassing and counting ballots were being blown off, to say the least.

First, you'd think that our ever-eager newspapers would compete with one another to dig up documentary evidence, since they have far better entree to our local bureaucracies than any individual. Hah. Our newspapers looked languidly at the excess of votes over voters, made a mildly bothered remark or two, and left for Wenatchee to report the trial as if it were a football game. Looks like their entree was gained by wearing blindfolds and earmuffs.

Second, the Secretary of State's office should have stepped up, but acted like benign insects in amber. And a gang of County Auditors circled the wagons and declared in a letter - with no evidence - that King County could do no wrong.

And third, US Attorney John McKay should have done more with the material sent to him and the FBI than simply roost on it. His failure to even acknowlege receipt of the information from Stefan and Bob Edelman, let alone meet and discuss it, was inexplicable then and is no better now. Without any explanation for his inaction based on those exhibits, his behavior was more prejudiced than rational.

It appeared to me that Stefan as an individual citizen, bearing such information no matter how impeccably researched and documented, was seen by all these authorities as a mark, a crank, and one who could be sacrificed for the greater harmony of the political class of County, State and Country. But when it comes to a strong presumption of voter fraud, that's the last way that our bureaucracy should be behaving.

Stefan's evidence should have been thoroughly examined and judged on its merits by our political representatives, with a full report on the findings. It never was. If John McKay is going to pose as wrongly terminated, let him make a full explanation of his inaction in 2005.

Posted by: Hank Bradley on March 14, 2007 08:02 PM
19. Example 2: That block does not exist. Again, please read the explanation under the exhibit.

I read the explanation, but I also checked Google Maps and Mapquest, and the block exists... so long as you leave the "1/2" off of "1314 1/2". Google Earth shows the same address, both with and without the "1/2"... and the satellite photo shows a residential area with house on one side of the street and either an apartment complex or duplex on the other. The address does in fact exist. Perhaps the elections software just couldn't read the "1/2" and that's why the adviser overrode it??

Posted by: Mike H on March 14, 2007 08:22 PM
20. Mr. Edeleman -- figure 1a is signed. It's clearly signed. Maybe on the wrong line, but it's signed. I can see it with my own eyes. And figure 1b's address exists. I can go and drive past it if you want.

My point is that if this is the "evidence" for deep-seated voter fraud in King County, enough for a USA Attorney to summon a grand jury, bring indictments, and to (potentially) overturn a statewide election where 99.99% of the votes were cast properly, then I'm not at all surprised why Mr. McKay didn't respond.

Posted by: James on March 14, 2007 08:50 PM
21. right, 13 & 18--
when someone, anyone, here in Seattle area grows something larger than dried currants, we will have decisivness & results--right or wrong--at least something--other than inaction & apathy.

until then, it's business as usual. maybe it's the water. soft. makes everything soft.

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on March 14, 2007 09:16 PM
22. What do you expect when Mike McKay, John's older brother, was head of the federal appointment patronage committee that recommended John McKay be appointed as U.S. Attorney back in 2001?

Mike McKay was given the ceremonial role of Chair of President Bush's campaign in Washington in 2000, thanks to Slade Gorton and Jennifer Dunn. However, Mike McKay contributed money to the re-election campaigns of Christine Gregoire and Ron Sims while he was basking in the glory of being Bush's campaign Chair. And also endorsed several liberal judicial candidates, lending his Bush campaign title to these endorsements.

We can thank people like Gorton, Dunn and Chris Vance (then newly elected as state GOP chair) for putting Mike McKay as head of the patronage appointment selection committee -- instead of choosing a loyal Republican. And for getting John McKay as U.S. Attorney -- a person who conveniently overlooked apparently wrongdoing by Ron Sims' employees which resulted in Christine Gregoire's election as Governor.

Posted by: Richard Pope on March 14, 2007 09:34 PM
23. I just looked at the supposed evidence of voter fraud and in 1A, it says the receipt was not signed when it clearly WAS signed. No wonder nobody followed up on your letter Stefan.

Also, I found it interesting that you found a person who voted at a polling station for a neighborhood where they no longer lived. I happen to know a Republican who did this during the last election. I didn't report it because I figured it didn't really matter where he voted since both locations were in King County. But I guess that next time I will report it since Republicans are such dicks that they want to disqualify voters on any ridiculous reason they can think of. I guess Republicans only care if people have the right to vote in Iraq--they don't give a f*** if Americans vote unless they're Republican.

Posted by: TechnoMom on March 14, 2007 09:46 PM
24. So Dinesh at #7, I guess you'd have been happier had W just wholesale fired every single one of them when he first got in like Clinton, is what you're really saying. Because I haven't heard you complain about Clinton's scorched-earth firing seige at all. We've taken note. It's okay for Clinton to kick out everyone up front, but no one may do anything later on. Frankly, we've all noticed your over-glaring double standard. I do not accept that I'm supposed to object to the McKay firing while you were on the sidelines saying that what Clinton does was just fine. Double standard alert on Dinesh! Clinton can annihilate everyone, but no one can fire a handful. Got it, Dinesh. Got it.

Posted by: Michele on March 14, 2007 10:35 PM
25. "What kind of investigation ensued? What were the specific conclusions? That these were legal votes? Innocent mistakes? That it wasn't kosher, but too small potatoes to justify a federal case? The public deserves the details."

Excellent questions Stefan!

The public DOES deserve the details. Anyone who accepts McKays performance in the 2004 election fraud case is simply blinded by liberal partisanship.

The Freedom of Information act should allow access to documents of what transpired in the pre-investigation...(that McKay used to ultimately determine that no formal investigation was warranted.)


Posted by: Deborah on March 14, 2007 10:42 PM
26. We should run the rinos right out of the party. They are not republicans, and we do not want their votes. We do not the votes of their families, or anyone who knows them. When will we have a values WASL for Republicans which must be passed in order for a person to run as a Republican, hold party office, or go onto the media representing us? We need to qualify our membership before these liberals sell us down the river once again. I honestly think these people are stealth Democrats trying to harm the party. John McKay should have been vetted long before he was given power. Same as Maleng, Jennie Dunn, Slade and any of these armchair Republicans.

Posted by: surly shirley on March 14, 2007 10:52 PM
27. James & TechnoMom--Figure 1a is the provisional ballot envelope. Yes, it is signed. What was not signed was her registration application. That's why the envelope was marked "Fatal Pend/Sig". That's auditor-speak for "she didn/t sign her registration and therefore is not eligible to vote". However, the vote was counted anyway.

James & Mike H--The address does not exist. That's why the envelope was marked "Fatal Pend/Address". Again, the person was not registered to vote because he gave a non-existant residential address. Stephan posted a full explanation with street sign photographs at http://soundpolitics.com/archives/005140.html. He drove there. I also checked property records and verified that there is no property at that address.

TechnoMom--You must be confused about what the fraud evidence shows. There was nothing about persons who voted at polling places where they no longer lived. That's permitted under certain circumstances. Nor was the evidence directed at individuals - it was provided to show that ballots were illegally counted by King County election officials.

And to you all--The figures were examples of categories of evidence, not the total evidence. The letter was accompanied by a CD that contained hundreds of images of envelopes in the three categories.

Posted by: Bob Edelman on March 14, 2007 11:27 PM
28. dinesh @ 7 -

To dismiss Michelle simply because she brings us a Fox (faux) news talking point is the height of hypocracy. Showing news articles of what other administrations have done in the past and calling these the "facts" ignores the most basic FACT that seems to be lost in all the brouhaha. Every US Attorney serves at the pleasure of the President. He or she may be dismissed at any time for any reason by the President - or his representative. What others may have done in the past or what others may do in the future is completely irrelevant to that most basic fact. The noise is nothing but political posturing.

Posted by: Jay on March 15, 2007 07:20 AM
29. Bob Edelman makes an important point that all the naysayers and critics and business-as-usual 'Rats should note. Much of what has been posted here are examples to illustrate the potentially larger scandal. These were things dug up by ordinary private citizens working on their own time for no pay. It's the tip of the iceberg. If ordinary citizens can turn up this much evidence of irregularities, imagine what a professional investigator might turn up if they put forth even modest effort. The fact that McKay and others didn't even try is testament either to their laziness, incompetence, or complicity. In any case, as far as upholding the laws and assurring honest elections, those officials who fail to do their jobs are about as useless as a hat full of busted assholes, and we're better off getting them out of office.

Posted by: Interested Observer on March 15, 2007 07:24 AM
30. The sad part- the Party of Illusion and Nothingness will be able to make "hay" out of this situation.

Posted by: swatter on March 15, 2007 07:28 AM
31. To #19 Mike H. and #14 James

Try using King County's parcel viewer (http://www5.metrokc.gov/parcelviewer/viewer/kingcounty/viewer.asp) and you will see that there isn't a 1300 block of 19th Ave. Yahoo and Google maps must be guessing at where it should have been. According to King County it just doesn't exist.

Posted by: Jim on March 15, 2007 09:34 AM
32. #27 Bob and #31 Jim,

I stand corrected

Posted by: Mike H. on March 15, 2007 10:40 AM
33. Good article over at the WSJ Opinion Journal on this subject:

Take sacked U.S. Attorney John McKay from Washington state. In 2004, the Governor's race was decided in favor of Democrat Christine Gregoire by 129 votes on a third recount. As the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and other media outlets reported, some of the "voters" were deceased, others were registered in storage-rental facilities, and still others were convicted felons. More than 100 ballots were "discovered" in a Seattle warehouse. None of this constitutes proof that the election was stolen. But it should have been enough to prompt Mr. McKay, a Democrat, to investigate, something he declined to do, apparently on grounds that he had better things to do.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009784

Posted by: Dan S. on March 15, 2007 10:49 AM
34. i think regular posters on this blog should be careful when throwing around the word "hypocrisy" or "hypocracy".

michele: you are confusing 2 simple principles. when a new administration of a different party takes over, it has been customary for the incoming president to replace all of the u.s. attorneys (whose 4 year term would be expiring) and appoint a new a.g. (see reagan, the poster child for the republican party and cliinton). while you may call this "firing," it is different from the 2nd principle, which is the replacement of u.s. attorneys during a second term. it is highly unusual to have wholesale replacements of u.s. attorneys.

and, as for the playground rationale "clinton did it," all i can say is congress impeached clinton for lying about a sex act in a private lawsuit. are you suggesting that congress further pursue the b.s. claims that bush made (not under oath, but in the state of the union and elsewhere) regarding the abortion known as iraq?

let's talk hyprocrisy now.

Posted by: dinesh on March 15, 2007 12:13 PM
35. McKay still isn't a Democrat. Think they'll ever correct that at WSJ?

Mistakes were made, indeed.


Posted by: zenger on March 15, 2007 01:47 PM
36. Let me get this straight: THEY committed all the election fraud in 2004, and WE are being called to account for complaining about it?

Things are even worse for the GOP than I thought! Pretty soon it will be a criminal offense to hurt their feelings.

Posted by: sestamibi on March 15, 2007 02:23 PM
37. So when the head of the Whitehouse travel office was fired on trumped up allegations so a couple of FOB's "Friends of Bill" from Hollywood could take it over and get on the gravy train, should that get another hearing? Sure. Hypocrisy over dead people? I guess we could look to Waco, Croatia. Just make sure that your communications with the committee are not picked up under that "Echalon" monitoring program authorized by Dinesh's moral compass president.

Posted by: Huh? on March 16, 2007 07:14 AM
38. huh? if you can't tell the difference between the white house travel office and the attorney general's office, you have issues.

Posted by: dinesh on March 16, 2007 09:26 AM
39. Go ahead and explain it to us Dinesh, your parsing is an amusement to us all. A career Government employee fired on trumped up charges because Bill and Hill wanted their buddies to run a Government travel office? As opposed to an ineffective AG (who serves at the pleasure of the president) at the end of his term being let go. Which one smacks of political favoritism to you? Let's hear some of that BS rationalisation that you are famous for.

Posted by: Huh? on March 16, 2007 11:52 AM
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