February 28, 2007
Your criminal justice system at work

As reported yesterday:

Eighty-three convicted criminals -- including high-risk sex offenders and violent felons -- have been released from two King County jails because they exceeded the total that the state Department of Corrections was allowed to place there.
Today: Mrs. Gregoire orders no further release of inmates.

But it sounds like the ones who have already been released get to stay out and about.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at February 28, 2007 05:16 PM | Email This
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1. I bet the democrats registered them to vote before they got kicked.

Posted by: Hinton on February 28, 2007 05:35 PM
2. i heard about this on the Kirby Wilbur show and sent Luke Esser the following email:

The WSRP should take up this issue of lack of jails now and carry it over as a reason to elect them in 2008. They could start the run now on a platform of change. That platform could be to slash the Democrats pet social programs to be able to fund prisons. This would resonate with voters across the board, especially with the inability of the Governor (who should know better being the former Attorney General of the state). This could be the beginning of the WSRP's version of Newt's "Contract With America". If they would use this issue as a starting point and then add to it with some of the other issues facing this state (like tax cuts to help the economy), and follow through after elected, we could see a shift in power in 2008 and further.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on February 28, 2007 05:37 PM
3. TrueSoldier, Excellent idea. Combine that with a major push for EVERYONE in Eastern Washington to vote and we might be able to change the tidel wave of stupidity that's currently happening.

Posted by: Walters on February 28, 2007 06:09 PM
4. Gotta take issue with the title, Stefan. Legal system? Yes. Justice system? Not close.

There'd be a lot more room in our prisons if we'd strap a few of those guys into Old Sparky every now and then. Heck, short of that, and even short of building any more prison space, the thought of sharing a 10'x10' cell with 9 of your closest friends would dissuade a lot of crime in the first place. Ah, but we've got those judges who tell us that execution isn't "safe" (!) and putting prisoners in conditions that are nicer than when the Eighth Amendment was written is a violation of the Eighth. Will someone please remind me why we put up with these asinine interpretations of the rules of the game?

Posted by: TB on February 28, 2007 06:25 PM
5. TrueSoldier--
Great idea....
However, the R's are too inept to do something like this, taxes & cost of government.
They enjoy being in last place and flailing around.

Posted by: aaargh on February 28, 2007 06:52 PM
6. the DOC plan to take care of crowding is to put a work release or two or three in every community. maybe in your neighborhood. that way no more prisons need to be built. at least for 10 years, but why plan ahead? much better to wait until costs for construction and land rise even higher.

a little drug therapy, education, lots of positive hugs and stuff and the felons will be just fine.

would not be surprised if they try to reduce sentences too. because community supervision works much better anyway.

this is a liberal cycle for prisons. during the last liberal cycle there were riots and people killed and buildings torn up. but this time, the felons will get positive strokes and this will help their self-esteem so that won't happen.

and look at how much fun they had at the Reynolds work release. they are much better for it, right?

there is information about the plan on their web site about how good this will be for the criminals. and it won't cost the taxpayer too many more millions.

Posted by: gus on February 28, 2007 08:14 PM
7. One of the ideas I heard for a short term solution, until they get sparky working again, is to make the inmates hot bunk like they used to, or perhaps still do, in the Navy on warships. This way you can have the inmates on opposite sleeping and work shifts and double the capacity.

I also urge everyone that liked my idea to also send a letter to Luke Esser and their elected representative about the plan I outlined and add more ideas to it as you see fit. Perhaps if we get enough emails, calls, etc. they will listen.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on February 28, 2007 08:31 PM
8. truesoldier, if they fund the prisons and what is being proposed now, it will be funding the hugging plan. they'd best take a long look at that before pouring money into liberal social engineering, don't you think?

Posted by: gus on February 28, 2007 09:30 PM
9. oh, and hot bunking in prison means a whole 'nother thing.

Posted by: gus on February 28, 2007 09:32 PM
10. How about getting some of these prisoners (convincted of lesser crimes) on a chain gang picking fruit in Yakima and doing other jobs that supposedly "Americans won't do"? Also, transfer those prisoners who are here illegally to prisons in their native land, clearing up more space for the prisoners left.

Posted by: Michelle on February 28, 2007 11:09 PM
11. Gus, when I say fund the prisons I should have been clearer. I meant they should take the funds and build more prisons instead of using the money on their social pet projects,to include the warm and fuzzy prison plans.

You may be right about the whole other meaning of hot bunking though...lol

Posted by: TrueSoldier on March 1, 2007 07:31 AM
12. Mrs. Fraudoire must have been reminded by her advisors of the Willie Horton case in Massachusetts. A single release, a single miscreant felon, and an election disaster for the Governor (Dukakis) who was responsible.

Posted by: anony on March 1, 2007 07:50 AM
13. Haha, Michelle you crack me up. I'd love to see you go to the grocery store where you have a choice between felon fruit (its 1/2 price) and normal fruit. Something tells me you're going to go for the normal fruit despite it being more expensive.

Oh yeah, let's spend a ton of $$ sending these prisoners back to countries that don't want them in the first place. Seems like a waste of a round-trip ticket to me.

Posted by: Cato on March 1, 2007 12:44 PM
14. Cato,

So you think we should house them here at our own taxpayer's expense and then release them into our own society to be a predator on the masses?

Posted by: Ken on March 1, 2007 02:00 PM
15. Let's use the convicts to serve as human braces to hold up the Viaduct.

Everybody wins.

(Harry Reid Is A Mormon. Pass it on.)

Posted by: Rey Smith on March 1, 2007 02:14 PM
16. "Felon Fruit" vs. "Normal Fruit"

Where can one find "normal fruit" these days?

Oh yeah, let's spend a ton of $$ sending these prisoners back to countries that don't want them in the first place.

It need not be so expensive. There are alternative forms of transportation to flying, and more so to flying first class.

Posted by: Michelle on March 1, 2007 02:50 PM
17. Where can one find "normal fruit" these days?

I hear Whole Foods has normal pesticide free fruit. That sort of place might be too liberal a shopping experience for you.

It need not be so expensive. There are alternative forms of transportation to flying, and more so to flying first class.

I'm sure sending prisoners back to their country of origin by bus/train/ship will make the USA a lot of friends in the world. Especailly when the countries of origin have no obilgation to accept them or put them in prison for a crime that was not commited on thier soil. Sounds like a loose-loose situation all around.

Posted by: Cato on March 1, 2007 03:42 PM
18. Cato: Shopping for "normal" or pesticide free fruit wouldn't be too liberal, it would be too expensive. And it would also be too dangerous. You know what goes on most "organic" stuff? Manure. And where from do you suppose people get E-Coli? Manure. For example, the recent spinach debacle.

Posted by: katomar on March 1, 2007 10:43 PM
19. I hear Whole Foods has normal pesticide free fruit. That sort of place might be too liberal a shopping experience for you.

Oh really? Do they guarantee their fruit is not picked by illegals (felons)? The last I checked, there was no such guarantee.

I'm sure sending prisoners back to their country of origin by bus/train/ship will make the USA a lot of friends in the world. Especailly when the countries of origin have no obilgation to accept them or put them in prison for a crime that was not commited on thier soil. Sounds like a loose-loose situation all around.

The answer to this is secure the borders and enforce the law. We have no obligation to keep them here.

Posted by: Michelle on March 2, 2007 12:12 AM
20. Michelle, how about we use the illegals that are in our prison to build the border fence. We could keep them in a desert camp, like Sheriff Joe down in Arizona. Once the fence is built we just deport them while we already have them down at the border. This would free up prison space across the nation (illegals constitute more than 20% of the prison population in Federal prisons) and it would get the fence built cheap. Remember, illegals are only here to do the jobs that Americans will not do.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on March 2, 2007 08:15 AM
21. Why don't you guys try arguing about things that actually affect YOU.

Posted by: Catie on March 2, 2007 09:05 AM
22. Catie: Do you really think that releasing felons early, including violent and predatory characters, does not affect us all? Get back to us when your home has been invaded, or you've been mugged and beaten, or you've been raped, or you've been car-jacked, or you are shot in a drive-by. Then maybe we'll listen.

Posted by: katomar on March 2, 2007 10:10 AM
23. #12: hoping the potential of one miscreant felon and what happened to the victim of the felon is woven into the other messaging in the upcoming election.

because if the move to hug them and improve their self estemm takes hold, we all will see more released felons doing crime but feeling really good about themselves while to do it.

TruSoldier, the wall suggestion might have some merit. it would keep them busy, building walls in the hot sun might get their attention that time spent in jail/prison in the US isn't all that, and there would be no early release for them either. the home country might not look so bad following six years stacking concrete blocks.

there would be some huge jurisdiction and probably constitutional issues though. their work would have to be closely supervised or easy ways through the wall could be created.

I bet Sheriff Joe could train those who supervise the effort.

Posted by: Gus on March 3, 2007 07:18 AM
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