February 27, 2007
Will The Times Or PI Publish This Story? It's amusing and timely.

Last night, Al Gore's global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.

Gore's mansion, located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).
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Gore's extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore's mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

A real journalist would love this story; a leftwing activist would hate it.  (For links to some examples of that hate, see this post.)  If either newspaper publishes it, we can conclude that they still have at least one real journalist; if they don't, well, you can draw your own conclusion.

(A great journalist would publish the story — and include this information about a house in Crawford, Texas.)

Update: Had to close this post because several comments had gone too far.  (And I'll be deleting some later.)  I don't have time this afternoon to police the comments to this post..

Posted by Jim Miller at February 27, 2007 07:25 AM | Email This
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1. Gore's personal life is irrelevant. The issue of climate change is not one of personal choice but of public policy.

Look most of the readers here (including me) will NOT voluntarily change so WE have to be cajoled and bribed and see personal economic advantage in changing our ways.

The issue is one of large social readjustment and NOT one of personal virtue. As Bucky Fuller said, "Reform the environment, not the individual."

Posted by: David Sucher on February 27, 2007 07:38 AM
2. Right there on the second page of my PSE bill is located the Energy Usage Comparison. What does it tell me? well for one thing comparing this year to last year it was six (6) degrees COOLER on average this January as compared to last January.This will be on your bill as well. It also tells me how my energy usage compares to last year's bill durring the same period.

Posted by: JDH on February 27, 2007 07:54 AM
3. David Sucher at #1. You're joking, right? I know David Matthews has got to be reading this. Do you agree with David Sucher?

Posted by: REBEL on February 27, 2007 08:03 AM
4. #1 David you hit it on the head. Social engineering is the excepted way of change in this country.

Want to make people stop cutting trees, invent the "endangered" spotted owl; want to make people "get out of their cars", stop building roads and create light rail; want socialism, create another victim class to "share the wealth".

Gore is irrelevant, it is where he gets his message and why he gives his message that is. This group wants the USA to stop manufacturing--to allow China, India, etc, to catch up so we are all "equal".

Over 17,000 scientist say man is not the major cause of Global Warming--it is animals, swamps and the sun! By creating a problem, a few more democrats get richer while the rest of us stop charging our cell phones when completed and drive electric cars that get 20 miles per overnight charge.

After all this is the "Democratic" way! (Grin)

Posted by: Ken E. on February 27, 2007 08:07 AM
5. Sucher,
Spoken like a true leftist that has accepted force, over reason and persuasion, as a means of accomplishing whatever "ends" are deemed important by elitists.

Go to this website if you are not afraid to read papers and real science that might persuade you with facts, instead of allowing politicians to force you to accept emotional pleas to a crisis.

Posted by: Jeff B. on February 27, 2007 08:15 AM
6. But, but, but, "I use flourescent light bulbs" he says to justify the energy usage.

And the Oscars and Hollywood really sold themselves down the river in awarding that Oscar. It was supposed to be for a nonfiction documentary that even the Gore admits is a little ambitious with the truth (i.e. it is more fiction than non-fiction).

Posted by: swatter on February 27, 2007 08:16 AM
7. Gore's lifestyle is very relevant as living in a huge energy sucking mansion and flying all over to these so called global warming concerts, collecting his awards and leaving a huge "carbon footprint" shows that they don't follow their own advice...so how much validity do does their "religion" have...how much "truth" is in all their pronouncements on the enviroment...very "inconvienient" to have to actually live the way they expect all of us to.
When they follow their own advice and have actual scientific evidence, rather than junk science..and allow real debate, not demanding consensus or else.

Posted by: Cara on February 27, 2007 08:23 AM
8. I heard that Gore's publicist has said that it is ok that Al Gore uses this much energy and fly around in his private jet, because he buys offsetting "green credits". So in other words he is donating his money to the Chinese government, who sells these "green credits". The way it works is the Chinese government collects money from companies, individuals and governments (not ours as of yet but give it time)to tear down a freon(sp?)plant. Then after they get the money for tearing down said plant they build another plant for half the cost that they were paid to tear down the original one. This little game just keeps going so therefore there credits are just a donation to the Chinese government and does absolutely nothing for the environment except keep the status quo.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on February 27, 2007 08:25 AM
9. No, Rebel, I am not even remotely joking. (And I bet you knew that, you clever devil.) I am paraphrasing Dick Cheney, in fact.

Posted by: David Sucher on February 27, 2007 08:31 AM
10. The "green credits" or "carbon credits" are just the nature-worshippers version of indulgences. Pay your money and buy out your sins.

Those "credits" are not available to ordinary homeowners, only industries with active pollution permits. What you end up doing is paying money to a "broker" who goes out and buys credits that are traded in a kind of credits market by industries that produce environmental pollution. And they are very costly, probably only within reach of wealthy individuals.

Posted by: Interested Observer on February 27, 2007 08:35 AM
11. This type of hypocrisy is typical of leftists. Actually Paul Johnson's book Intellectuals does a pretty concise job of deconstructing all of the icons of the left. It is well worth the tiem to read.

here's a review from National Review

God's Gift to Man

ROGER KIMBALL

In 1988, the British historian Paul Johnson published a slim volume called Intellectuals. What is an intellectual? Johnson defined the beast as "someone who thinks ideas are more important than people," and proceeded to take readers on an entertaining, though decidedly unedifying, tour of typical intellectuals from Shelley and Karl Marx to Bertrand Russell and D. H. Lawrence. My, what an unlovely tribe! Self-absorbed, hypocritical louts, most of them, infatuated above all with the thought of their own higher virtue.

(Remainder of comment deleted so as not to infringe on a copyright. -Jim Miller)

Posted by: JDH on February 27, 2007 08:39 AM
12. Dave Sucher's comment provides us still another example of
Ignoratio Elenchi.

I'll follow the advice that I gave in that post: Thank you, Mr. Sucher, for tacitly conceding my point.

Now back to the questions posed in the post: Should the Times and PI publish this article? And, if they don't, what does that say about their editorial standards?

(By the way, I would appreciate it if Sucher would email me, privately, and tell me whether he used tha old trick to try to derail a discussion deliberately. If it wasn't deliberate, then he owes us an apology.)

Posted by: Jim Miller on February 27, 2007 08:46 AM
13. I should go live in a grass hut because Al Gore said so heh?

"The best sermon is a good example." BF- Poor Richards Almanac

Posted by: Andy on February 27, 2007 08:49 AM
14. It matters to Gore's credibility. He wants us to believe junk science when he's clearly not afraid of his own doomsday prophecies. If "all of us changing our lifestyles" was ACTUALLY a matter of life or death, neither Al Gore, the Hollywood conspicuos consumers, nor David Sucher would have to be "cajoled."

They don't believe in global warming, but you want everyone else to. Why should I?

Posted by: Orrin Johnson on February 27, 2007 08:53 AM
15. There has been no earth temperature increase since 1999. But the polar ice cap on Mars has been melting.

Must be those 2 Rovers we sent.

Or, could it be the sun?

Posted by: Keb on February 27, 2007 08:59 AM
16. Hey where is Mr. David M???

Come on dave, this is your number one Earth guy.

Speak up david. Tell us how Al Bore is going to save us again. LOL
Should he do a movie on his own house!

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on February 27, 2007 09:09 AM
17. The religion of Global Warming operates much like the pre-Reformation Roman Catholic Church. One could purchase indulgences from the church, which then gave them license to sin. Your sins were forgiven provided your indulgences were paid in full.

The Global Warmers have their own form of indulgences which they like to call "Carbon Credits". Mr Gore, and other high polluters, can simply pay/donate to organizations that support their cause. Then they can claim that they do more good than bad.

Posted by: Seabecker on February 27, 2007 09:16 AM
18. Everyone I have an idea. When david M does come back to tell us our evil ways. Lets all hit him with this over & over non-stop.
This just may drive him away or make him go beserk? LOL

Yes even I have my evil side.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on February 27, 2007 09:20 AM
19. Gore responds.

Allow me to summarize: "I have enough money to make other people live with even LESS than zero net carbon output. I hate the greedy elitists who try to buy their way out of guilt, unless those people are me, and then they're noble oracles of disaster. Besides, I'm, like, really important. I NEED two mansions, and once I'm living with the resources I need, then my guilt is assuaged. Don't believe me? Doesn't matter - I have an Oscar that proves I'm right!"

Posted by: Orrin Johnson on February 27, 2007 09:31 AM
20. On a related note, I will never watch the Oscars again. The people in that room do not represent my values. It was a travesty to award an Oscar to that horrible song from "An Inconvenient Truth" - when I heard it, I said that will never win - it's too awful. But what do you know, they just had to send a message to President Bush about how green they all are.

Posted by: Eunice Burns on February 27, 2007 09:32 AM
21. So.... if you can PAY for your carbon emissions, it's OK to not reduce your energy usage.

Do as I say, not as I do.
Typical.

Posted by: eric on February 27, 2007 09:34 AM
22. #21 Eric

Yep that's how to become a DEM. It's never YOUR fault.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on February 27, 2007 09:44 AM
23. Gore has led America down a dangerous and unscientific path. The whole thing is reminiscent of the Lysenko Affair -- which occured during Stalinist Russia. A scientist caught the ear of the leadership and convinced them that genetic characteristics could be "inherited" by putting one bushel of wheat grain next to another among other things.

The result was the most disastrous crop in the history of Russia, nearly wiping out millions due to famine.

Al Gore and his poli-scientists are a very sick bunch of people, and their media manipulation for personal gain is reprehensible.

I implore people to read and find the facts...in the real scientific press.

Posted by: John Bailo on February 27, 2007 09:44 AM
24. Gore's personal life is irrelevant.

No it's not. Gore goes around preaching that everyone else change their "evil" ways, and yet his are far worse than most. He flies around on private jets, probably gets chauffeured around in limos and SUVs, and lives in a giant mansion that uses more energy in one month than most use in a year... and tells everyone else to change their ways when they aren't nearly as bad as him. It makes you wonder how serious he really is about the cause he's championing. If he isn't that serious about changing his own ways... are things really as bad as he makes them out to be?

Posted by: Mike H on February 27, 2007 09:49 AM
25. No one, I mean NO ONE, celebrates themselves more than Hollywood does. Unless Billy Crystal, Seinfeld or Chris Rock hosts the Oscars, there is no reason to watch it. I turned it off out of boredom last Sunday and tuned back in at the very end to see who won the big two awards (good for Scorsesee - he was overdue and The Departed was excellent).

This was the second fictional propaganda "documentary" that has won recently - Fahrenheit 9/11 being the other one. Seems like a trend - create a piece of fiction with the political topic du jour in Hollywood and film it like a documentary, win an Oscar.

As for Gore, he's a typical liberal elitist. Do as I say not as I do (unless you can afford to buy expensive "carbon credits" like me, then you can do whatever you want). No, thanks.

We conserve and recycle because we want to, not because Gore tells us to. But, as with anyone with kids can attest, we're not trading in our SUV for a Prius anytime soon. Deal with it.

Posted by: Palouse on February 27, 2007 09:53 AM
26. Palouse you said it. If I were to trade in my SUV for a Prius I would use more gas. I have four boys and a wife and there is no way the whole family would fit in a Prius legally; therefore I would either have to also take my commuter car, which gets decent gas mileage, or go back for a second trip. This would use just as much fuel as my SUV, but it would have twice as much emmissions as my SUV.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on February 27, 2007 10:12 AM
27. Ok Jim,
No one seems to be answering your question, so I will. Yes they should print this story, because it is relevant. Will they? Hell no. Al's their boy, he can do no wrong, they won't ever criticize their guy. Don't look to ever see this story in the Slimes or PU.

Posted by: REBEL on February 27, 2007 10:41 AM
28. Just heard that President Bush's 4000 sq ft ranch house is more eco-friendly and energy efficient that Al Gore's mansion (his gas bill was over 1,000 a month, electric was about the same) and that the media has known this fact since at least 2001, yet who do they lavish praise on...typical liberal do as I say, not as I do hypocritical double standards.
Al Gore is no scientist, lest we forget!

Posted by: Cara on February 27, 2007 10:43 AM
29. So there was Colmes on H&C last night addressing this issue and saying that the Gores are installing solar panels as this article comes to light.
Ah, after the fact eh? If that isn't an "I didn't inhale" moment, what is?
Funny how the Hollywood crowd is sucking up to Gore when just 14 years ago, his wife wanted to censor the snot out of the music and movie industry. I guess they smoked a whopper of a peace pipe. Or was that a couple bong hits?

Posted by: PC on February 27, 2007 10:45 AM
30. What I forgot to add is how i resent the way they are trying to propagandize our kids in school with Al Gore's "inconvienient LIE", they are desperate indoctrinate our kids as they know people are not buying this junk science. Science has become so politicized and just another means to impose these socoalist concepts on the rest of us. Why are they so anxious to declare the debate settled and vilify people who disprove their theories, or at least want a reasonable debate as GW deniers if their assumptions were so sound...that's because they are not & they can't afford too much examination or scruntiny. They know it won't hold up, so now they are going after impressionable kids.

Posted by: Cara on February 27, 2007 10:54 AM
31. Yeah, Tipper was leading the anti-profanity brigade against Rap in the music business, that was then. Now Al is an important board member of Apple, Inc. So, he's got a vested interest in the music industry. Quietly, that campaign went away.

These hypocrits don't realize that it's going to take nothing short of renouncing all of their material wealth and living in a hut to bring them inline with their nilhilist ideology.

Posted by: Jeff B. on February 27, 2007 10:58 AM
32. The answer to the question is no. Just like Pravda didn't publish the fact that soviet elites had dashas and shopped in special stores there is no questioning of the secular progressive elites. Interesting that the circulation of papers is going down and the NY Times is on the ropes. The Brit papers did publish that the Blairs had received over a million pounds in freedies during their tenure. That their children while studying at the Sorbonne received free rent from the head of Moet Chandon in a left bank mansion and that Cherie felt it was her right under the EU human rights policy to receive free designer clothes.

What needs to be widely discussed here is how many secular progressives opposing school choice are sending their kids to private schools? Whose relatives and political payoffs are on the public payroll and in top union slots? How much viaduct/tunnel money will be channeled to top contibutors? How much money channeled from secular progressives like Soros/Lewis is funneled to Sharpton/Jackson to support their lifestyles?

Al Gore, like Leona Helmsley, thinks rules are only for the little people. Many secular progressives feel the same way about those they term as "flyover America."

Posted by: WVH on February 27, 2007 11:06 AM
33. No. 28--you said you 'heard' about President Bush's eco house. There is a link at the end of 'Will the Times or PI Publish This Story?' that tells about the Presidents house in 'Crawford Tx'.

Geo Thermal power is a neglected renewable power source that needs to be encouraged. Nevada and Utah have many geo thermal possibilities that need to be tapped.

Posted by: Marge on February 27, 2007 11:12 AM
34. "You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts" Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan. The facts here speak volumes about Gore's integrity, or lack there of. The guy is a total phony, what amazes me is the number of people who are willing to buy into this crap he is selling. Anthropogenic GW is a THEORY, what is more it is a THEORY that is tenuous and the supporters know it or they would not be so damn determined to squelch debate or beat down efforts to do independent research. Independent research, by the way gives no weight to the question being "settled" nor recognizes consensus opinion as having any validity, what so ever.

Posted by: JDH on February 27, 2007 11:13 AM
35. It's always funny, isn't it, when these Hollywood types extol their "environmentalist" views all while coming into the award ceremony in their big chauffered limos and private jets from their big 'ol power-guzzling mansions. I'm not buyin' it. It's like when Barbra Streisand put suggestions for conserving power up on her website. When it was pointed out that she wasn't doing these things (like hanging her laundry instead of mechanically drying it), her spokesman replied "well, she didn't mean they should apply to HER."

So typical.

Posted by: Michele on February 27, 2007 11:27 AM
36. Hello Everyone,

I would officially classify all this talk regarding Al Gore's lifestyle as "Much Ado About Nothing".

The environmental movement is bigger than one person, even someone as distinguished as Al Gore.

If you want to criticize Al Gore, you are allowed to do so.

Posted by: David Mathews on February 27, 2007 11:38 AM
37. David, et al.:

Thank you for permission to criticize the obvious. How is the air conditioning, electric lights, web access and all the other modern conveniences in your world? How quaint that you enjoy this modern society. I would have thought you would want to live by candle light in a cave in the 13th century with bin asshole and the Isalmofacists you admire.

Posted by: WVH on February 27, 2007 11:43 AM
38. If you want to criticize Al Gore, you are allowed to do so.

I feel so much better now that David Matthews has given us permission to criticize Algore.

Posted by: Mike H on February 27, 2007 11:47 AM
39. I would officially classify all this talk regarding Al Gore's lifestyle as "Much Ado About Nothing".

Good. Then I will go about doing whatever the hell I want, and continue to ignore Al Gore. I mean, if the so-called 'leader' of this movement can do what he wants, then why not me?

That sound about right?

Al's no different than you, David. You preach, castigate and berate people for not doing what you think they should do ... and then turn around and do whatever the hell you want yourself.

Turn off your computer, David. You're wasting precious energy and are hastening the demise of the human race. Especially those violent Christians.

Posted by: jimg on February 27, 2007 11:49 AM
40. It's always funny, isn't it, when these Hollywood types extol their "environmentalist" views all while coming into the award ceremony in their big chauffered limos and private jets from their big 'ol power-guzzling mansions. I'm not buyin' it. It's like when Barbra Streisand put suggestions for conserving power up on her website. When it was pointed out that she wasn't doing these things (like hanging her laundry instead of mechanically drying it), her spokesman replied "well, she didn't mean they should apply to HER."

So typical.

Posted by: Michele on February 27, 2007 11:53 AM
41. Slightly off topic but those energy saving light bulbs make a difference. Two years ago I replaced every light in the house with the energy efficient bulbs when home depot had them on sale. My electric usage has been down on average 5% for every month compared to previous month from that time. Plus in those two years I've only had to replace one bulb.

Posted by: ba on February 27, 2007 11:55 AM
42. "I would officially classify all this talk regarding Al Gore's lifestyle as 'Much Ado About Nothing'." Of course you would because you are a hypocrite.

Posted by: JDH on February 27, 2007 12:06 PM
43. Hello jimg,

> Then I will go about doing whatever the hell I want, and continue to ignore Al Gore. I mean, if the so-called 'leader' of this movement can do what he wants, then why not me?

Undoubtedly, Jim, you are inclined to do whatever the hell you want regardless of Al Gore's lifestyle.

This is the reason why Homo sapiens are in an utterly hopeless condition. Humankind has become addicted to a whole set of unhealthy activities and nothing whatsoever is going to break these addictions until Nature herself begins depriving humankind of the resources that make this lifestyle possible.

The United States of America is behaving very much like the Ferrari driving so well at 190 mph that the driver fails to notice the brick wall straight ahead. You see, no matter how well built a Ferrari the brick wall will stop it, and once the brick wall has stopped the Ferrari it ain't going to drive ever again.

The Ferrari is America's economy. The 190 mph is the great engine of economic growth. The brick wall is the unmoveable force of resource depletion/environmental degradation.

The United States of America will collapse and all of these things will come to an end. Americans will have no choice except to abandon their addictions. Americans will become impoverished, too, and the scale of suffering will vastly exceed all of the horrors of the 20th century.

Enjoy the good life while it is still possible. The United States of America is going to experience its own apocalypse and then Americans will have an entirely new lifestyle and new values to accompany the ner reality of extreme poverty and deprivement.


Posted by: David Mathews on February 27, 2007 12:07 PM
44. The environmental movement is bigger than one person

The Goracle is bigger than one person.

If you want to criticize Al Gore, you are allowed to do so.

Guess we can get rid of the 1st Amendment, we have DM's permission to speak.

Posted by: Obi-Wan on February 27, 2007 12:09 PM
45. And furthermore I am going to do everything in my power to increase my income to the point that I can afford to match AlGore BTU for BTU. And if you expect me to pony up to some third world dictator by buying "carbon credits" to offset my carbon footprint you can kiss my ass.

Posted by: JDH on February 27, 2007 12:11 PM
46. Hello JDH,

You can hope for wealth, JDH, if you wish. But the prospects of Americans becoming wealthy in the future have dimmed considerably, and they will continue to diminish with each passing day.

You can hope for wealth but you ought to plan for poverty.

Posted by: David Mathews on February 27, 2007 12:37 PM
47. I could not believe this sentence in the Peking Duck blog of idiocy: "They have never, and I repeat, never smeared anyone on the right like this, not even close."

Talk about delusional. The leftie blogs do nothing but come up with baseless smears about the President and various members of the cabinet not to mention whatever talk radio hosts they hate, any op ed journalists like Mark Styn, any Hollywood actor/actress who has the temerity to say something conservative for a change, etc.. And they are generally quite adept at including foul langage in just about every sentence as well. Far cry from the typical blogging of the right.

Posted by: ferrous on February 27, 2007 12:50 PM
48. Am I the only person who finds it uncomfortale that you can basically snoop on other people's electricity usage? I seem to remember one of the Seattle papers doing this several years back, and being bothered by it then. If most normal private sector businesses did this, people would be up in arms.

(Of course, it probably has something to do with utility monopolies, and governments allowing this to go on.)

Posted by: Ted S on February 27, 2007 12:53 PM
49. Other than my trust fund, my money is a measure of how much our fellow humans value what I do for them. I hope to do more for them in the future. No asshole you can plan to do nothing for the rest of the people of the planet if that is what makes you content, but I will not.

Posted by: JDH on February 27, 2007 12:55 PM
50. Come on DAVE... if your going to preach, then follow your own code. Or like so many lib's I've met. Your all talk and ZERO action.

Yep the rules are good for me, but not dave.

Pound sand Dave. The light is shinning on you and AL Bore. LOL

Put up or shut the hell up.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on February 27, 2007 01:00 PM
51. Ted S:

Gore is a very public figure and has spoken on how us peons should live our lives. Are you of the secular progressive moral relativist school who says that public figures should not have their pronuncements examined to see how the accord with how their lives are being lived?

Many anti school choice people send their kids to elite private schools and the argument is and has always been that it is a personal choice.

My argument with many of the deconstructionist types is the form is always more important than the substance. It doesn't matter that Gore is a hypocrite, it only matters that his energy bills were made public. Most of us peons do not take high profile positions on GW and are not leaders in that movement. Gore is.

Posted by: WVH on February 27, 2007 01:06 PM
52. Now isn't it a bit odd. david says pay no mind to Al Bore and his power use, yet if I drive my SUV which I need in my job. Dave has a fit and I'm killing his world.


Care to explain dave?

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on February 27, 2007 01:09 PM
53. "Nothing appeals to intellectuals more than the feeling that they represent 'the people'. Nothing, as a rule, is further from the truth." - from "Birth of the Modern"

Posted by: JDH on February 27, 2007 01:12 PM
54. Army Medic/Vet's gotcha, Dave.

Posted by: Michele on February 27, 2007 01:13 PM
55. 54. Army Medic/Vet's gotcha, Dave.

Thanks Michele.

Dave don't go away mad just go ( heck you know the rest)

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on February 27, 2007 01:17 PM
56. It's good to see DM finally checked in. It does my heart good to know the doomsday crowd is still intact.
The rest of the nation is not going to see the paper print that type of story about Agore but now that I think about it, perhaps Tennesee was onto his crap long before the rest of the nation. He calls it his "home state" yet couldn't even win it when he ran for pres. A scary thought, because if he did, Florida wouldn't even come up as a "coulda".

Posted by: PC on February 27, 2007 01:23 PM
57. No, the Times won't publish the story because it doesn't fit the agenda that they are trying to push. Many years ago, Al Gore and Ted Turner worked on another crusade to "save the planet" by demanding that people only have one child so as not to strain Earth's fragile resources. Yet again, hypocrisy reigned supreme as Ted Turner has 5 kids and Al and Tipeer had to try 4 times to get Al Gore III. Evidently the rules are for the "little people"!

Posted by: suzihomemaker on February 27, 2007 01:25 PM
58. Hello Army Medic,

> Now isn't it a bit odd. david says pay no mind to Al Bore and his power use, yet if I drive my SUV which I need in my job. Dave has a fit and I'm killing his world.

> Care to explain dave?

I have not suggested at any point in this discussion that Al Gore is above criticism. What I am suggesting is that criticism of Al Gore's lifestyle does not constitute refutation of the environmental cause, nor does it minimize the threat of global warming.

As to your SUV: The collective actions of 300 million Americans are a great deal more harmful than the sins of Al Gore.

I am not going to get caught up in people. If you want to criticize Al Gore, I invite you to do so.

I certainly do not disagree with your criticism of Al Gore. Al Gore is a millionaire who lives a millionaire's lifestyle. He should stop, but whether he does or not the American problem still remains.

Posted by: David Mathews on February 27, 2007 01:27 PM
59. Some animals are more equal than other animals.
It has always been so in socialist utopias.
End of story.

Posted by: Steve on February 27, 2007 01:30 PM
60. Hello PC,

> The rest of the nation is not going to see the paper print that type of story about Agore ...

Now you are speaking in an absurd manner, PC. Al Gore's electrical bill has received nationwide attention. But this is not a front-page story.

Al Gore is a sinner. Why should this news astonish anyone? We are all sinners.

The pollution problem is a national and global problem. It is bigger than Al Gore. We are all involved in this sin.

Posted by: David Mathews on February 27, 2007 01:31 PM
61. David: Earlier, in another thread, you were asked to comment on whether you consider Al Gore one of those obese, greedy Americans you so despise. You stated that he is, after all imperfect, like all, and implied he should be excused of his imperfections. Now you state we can go ahead and criticize even someone as distinguished as he is. Which is it? Imperfect or distinguished? Could you please make up your mind?
You also bemoaned the cool winter in Florida and the fact that you had to turn on your A/C so seldom, with so few days in the 70's and 80's, unlike Seattle. David, even Alaska has hot summers. The Puget Sound does, too. And in those hot summers, in the high 80's and high 90's sometimes, A/C does not factor in my home. I made sure I was surrounded by about 50 trees on my property, which shade my home. And I open my windows for cross-ventilation. What are you willing to do to cut down on A/C? Anything? Walk the talk, bud.

Posted by: katomar on February 27, 2007 01:32 PM
62. Green Hypocrisy at 30,000 Feet



By Peter C. Glover : 05 Oct 2006




They sit in economy class occasionally wiping their clammy hands. Their eyes dart furtively about. They wonder whether the stewardess or passenger next to them might have become suspicious. Some even grow moustaches or beards - to cover the 'giveaway' sweating top lip.

(Remainder of comment deleted so as not to infringe on a copyright. -Jim Miller)


Posted by: JDH on February 27, 2007 01:33 PM
63. EXCUSE me again Dave, don't even tell me and the rest of America about fuel usage.

Do you even have any idea how much fuel a jet burns by AL Bore and his gang of Hollywood green fools? Shall we talk about their HUGE houses built on the beach that they try to make dang sure NO-one enjoys the shore line except them. Even though the laws says they cannot.

As we all have said, it's ok for you and your type to tell us how to live but not yourself.

You've been outted dave.
Go to some Watermellon site that loves you. LOL

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on February 27, 2007 01:34 PM
64. And here's another one that pertains.

Green Bigots International
by Thomas Sowell (December 16, 2004)

First they destroyed the gasoline station, so that you have to drive miles out of your way to get gas. Then they destroyed a parking lot. Now they want to destroy a dam and a reservoir that supplies more than 2 million people with water.

(Remainder of comment deleted so as not to infringe on a copyright. -Jim Miller)

Posted by: JDH on February 27, 2007 01:36 PM
65. DM said, "As to your SUV: The collective actions of 300 million Americans are a great deal more harmful than the sins of Al Gore."

Oh really, you do realize that his energy use was 24 times that of the average household? I think that the numbers are against you DM.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on February 27, 2007 01:37 PM
66. One other thing DM this is just one of Al Gore's Manisons, so the amount of energy usage by Al Gore is even worse when you consider that little fact.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on February 27, 2007 01:39 PM
67. The collective actions of 300 million Americans are a great deal more harmful than the sins of Al Gore

Sweet - imagine Jesus giving the sermon on the mount while smoking a joint, listening to gangsta rap and beating a 'ho...

Posted by: thecomputerguy on February 27, 2007 01:42 PM
68. Or how about this pontificaating POS that heats at least three homes year round and flies around in a pair of jets. The problem you are going to have Dave is that this is the norm when one looks at the forefront of the phoney balloney environmental movement that you are so invested in.

Bono, Who Preaches Charity, Profits From Buyouts, Tax Breaks

By Richard Tomlinson and Fergal O'Brien

Jan. 26 (Bloomberg) -- During the final concert of U2's world tour on Dec. 9, Bono, the Irish rock band's lead singer, launched into ``One,'' a song about a love affair gone sour. ``Did I disappoint you or leave a bad taste in your mouth?'' he sang to 47,000 U2 fans at Aloha Stadium in Honolulu.

(Remainder of comment deleted so as not to infringe on a copyright. -Jim Miller)

Posted by: JDH on February 27, 2007 01:44 PM
69. David, can we talk about Kerry's MANY huge homes?
I wonder what it takes to heat & cool them.
And you can be damn sure they are heated and cooled 24/7 even when Kerry isn't there.

Remember his Chevy SUV when asked why he was driving it and not a small eco car. O-it's my wife.

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on February 27, 2007 01:44 PM
70. I wonder what Kerry's wife -- La Padrona Tereza -- is doing these days?

I bet she's whipping slaves.

I heard she asked Barak Obama to park her car on a recent capitol hill visit. She told him that if he scratched it, she'd have him reassigned to a banana boat in Guinea-Bissau.

Posted by: Rey Smith on February 27, 2007 01:50 PM
71. Come on back Dave, were not even done beating on you.

Chicken. LOL

Posted by: Army Medic/Vet on February 27, 2007 01:54 PM
72. Hello Army Medic,

I see that this discussion has degenerated a great deal. You people are talking a lot but saying very little.

Rey Smith really does hit a low point in his egregious racism:

> I heard she asked Barak Obama to park her car on a recent capitol hill visit. She told him that if he scratched it, she'd have him reassigned to a banana boat in Guinea-Bissau.

Racism is a honored trait among conservatives, isn't it? Bigotry is a small thing among people who would rather not think about the consequences of their actions.

Don't you know that George W. Bush has murdered more civilians than Osama Bin Laden?

George W. Bush has also violated the constitution, authorized torture, and generally speaking behaved as a pawn of the oil corporations.

George W. Bush's sins are greater than Al Gore's and John Kerry's combined. George W. Bush has created a tinder box in the Middle East and it is poised to explode at any moment.

Do you know what is going to happen to the price of gasoline once bombs start falling upon Tehran?

Not that any of these things matter to you. You love your racism, your love your obesity, you love your addiction to consumerism, and you love your pollution.

The United States of America is poised to suffer collapse and you obsess over Al Gore as if he really matters. 3,161 soldiers have returned from Iraq in body bags but you don't seem to mind.

I have already said that Al Gore is worthy of criticism. But Al Gore's sins don't serve to justify America's gluttonous morbid obesity.

Posted by: David Mathews on February 27, 2007 02:31 PM
73. Please don't post the full text of copyrighted articles. I am going to have to go back and remove several, replacing them with links.

It's fine to post a link, and a paragraph or two (except for poetry, where the rules are stiffer), but let's respect other people's property and not post whole articles.

(If you don't know how to insert links, it's actually quite easy. Here's the basic pattern, except that you would use the angle brackets above the comma and period instead of parentheses:

(a href="URL")article name(/a)

For example:

(a href="http://www.seanet.com/~jimxc/Politics/February2007_4.html#jrm4915")Direct Instruction(/a)

Just don't forget the closing (/a) and check with preview before posting.

For all except the shortest URLs, I use my browser to copy and then paste the URL into place. Typically, you can do both with right click menus. Or, most operating systems let you copy and paste with the Ctrl/c and Ctrl/v key combinations.

Posted by: Jim Miller on February 27, 2007 02:37 PM
74. Look you filthy little rodent, you can infer racism all you want BUT there is an example of ONE and ONLY ONE Political Party in this country that has "mainstreamed" a former Grand Dragon of the KKK. In fact he is in a position of leadership within their oparty TODAY. So if you are looking for biggotry or racism the office of Robert KKK Byrd might be a good oplace to start. Another good place to start would be by looking in the mirror, cryptoracism is a trait of the environmental movement that thinks that third world citizens should remain in poverty and what is more they wish to reduce the rest of the world to a third world dung heap which they can look down on from their (AlGore's) mansion on a hill.

Posted by: JDH on February 27, 2007 02:40 PM