February 22, 2007
What Should We Call Hillary Clinton?

Last week, Seattle PI columnist Susan Paynter said that calling her "Hillary", or "Mrs. Clinton" is unfairly dismissive.  (That column got enough reactions so that Paynter wrote this follow-up.)  We should, said Paynter, call her "Senator Clinton".

Paynter's argument wouldn't bother me — except that a key person disagrees with her.   Who is that person?  According to this New York Times op-ed, it's Hillary.  (Or, if you prefer, it's Senator Clinton who disagrees.)

There's something missing in Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's recently unveiled presidential campaign, something so conspicuous in its absence that it's certain to set off debate — not on Pennsylvania Avenue, but on Madison Avenue.

What's missing is her surname. Someone has apparently decided that Mrs. Clinton will be the first major single-name candidate since 1952, when Ike's P.R. gurus realized that "Eisenhower" was tough to fit on a bumper sticker.

Mrs. Clinton announced her intentions via the Internet on a Web site called "Hillary for President.  Incredibly, on the day of her announcement, the name "Clinton" did not appear anywhere in the long text on the site's home page — except when linking to articles from The Associated Press and The Washington Post, and at the very bottom in the obligatory fine print: "Paid for by Hillary Clinton for President Exploratory Committee."

This piqued my curiosity, so I looked at the web site and found a number of references to "Hillary", for example, "Hillary on Iran", but no references to Senator Clinton.

This poses a small dilemma for somewhat old-fashioned folks, such as myself.  Ordinarily, I use conventional names and titles for American politicians, so I have been calling her "Senator Clinton" for years.  (And occasionally, when I am peeved, the "junior senator from New York".)  But I also try to accommodate people and so, if she prefers to be called "Hillary", rather than "Senator Clinton", I would do so, even if it would annoy Susan Paynter, and others like her.

For now, there's enough ambiguity so that I will stick to "Senator Clinton".  But if the junior senator from New York tells me directly that she prefers "Hillary", I will switch to that immediately.  It's just possible, after all, that a gesture of good will would persuade her to share her secrets for making big bucks in the cattle futures market.

Cross posted at Jim Miller on Politics.

(There is, of course, no secret about her choice of "Hillary", rather than "Senator Clinton".   She needs to distance herself, somewhat, from Bill Clinton, and this is an obvious way to do so.

For contributors, however, she may want to show her closeness to Bill, as the picture accompanying this post shows.

If you need a review of her cattle futures successes, you can find one here.   And there's a description of the shady company that executed her trades, Refco, here.  I have thought for some time that these earnings were, most likely, a bribe, but that Senator Clinton (Hillary?) may not have realized it immediately.  That would explain both the big gains, and the fact that she abruptly stopped trading after the gains.

Note to commenters:  This topic may inspire a few to emulate the manners of the bloggers that John Edwards was forced to fire, or let go, or whatever.  Remember that they left because they discredited his cause.  And if you are wondering about an appropriate standard, I would say avoid any names that would have offended Chelsea Clinton — when she was ten years old.)

Posted by Jim Miller at February 22, 2007 08:19 AM | Email This
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1. Call her whatever you want -- it's still the same old "Hillary" --

Posted by: Lew on February 22, 2007 08:39 AM
2. The one thing we must never call her is President. That would be an unmitigated disaster for the country.

My suggestion is we call her "The Hildabeast." (Credit Neal Boortz.)

Posted by: Obi-Wan on February 22, 2007 08:41 AM
3. I believe this is a shallow attempt for Hillary Clinton to divorce herself from the philandering antics of her husband Bill Clinton.

If she really is that worried about the baggage of the Clinton name, she should actually divorce herself from the former President.

I actually think that politically that would be a pretty wise move, and would play both to her partially feminist base and to those who were appaled that she tolerated such behavior from her husband. But, she will probably try to keep one foot on both sides of the fence, with the usual and hypocritical Democrat play.

Posted by: Jeff B. on February 22, 2007 08:44 AM
4. I won't call her Senator because I reserve that designation for someone who is ethical, knowledgable & works for their constituents.

Hillary has none of the above attributes.

I think Hildabeast suits her.

Posted by: Clean House on February 22, 2007 08:49 AM
5. The thing that got me about this story is the lack of Susan Paynter to realize that Hillary being called Hillary is actually good for Hillary. It shows that there is name recognition there and that actually helps in elections. The other thing that this story lacks is the outrage of Ms. Paynter over the media, and people in general, calling the President just Bush. Perhaps she should go back and make sure that she does not have any stories that start something like, "Bush and Company sends more soldiers to die." As for Hillary, slowly but surely she is showing her true colors to even those who are color blind and I am truly happy for that.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on February 22, 2007 09:27 AM
6. I want to see the day when we can call her "the FORMER" Senator!!

Posted by: John425 on February 22, 2007 09:41 AM
7. I can think of plenty of things to call Hillary. Unfortunately SoundPolitics profanity filters won't let them show up!

Posted by: pbj on February 22, 2007 09:47 AM
8. It doesn't matter how much lipstick you put on a PIG...it's still a PIG!!!

Posted by: Pacific Grove Phlash on February 22, 2007 09:54 AM
9. I don't think Hill-O-Ree is good for the country either. But aside from that, I think America is tired of the same two families being President over 20+ years. Honestly, we are not (supposed to be) a monarchy, and we are entertaining the possibility of having it Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton? It's time for someone not from either of those families to have a turn.

Posted by: Palouse on February 22, 2007 10:00 AM
10. Let's call her

Monica with Cankles.

Just for fun.

Posted by: Rey Smith on February 22, 2007 10:04 AM
11. "the Artist formerly known as Prince(ess)"

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on February 22, 2007 10:47 AM
12. Healthcare System Killery;
Take-Home Pay Chillery;
Gives Military the Willeries"

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on February 22, 2007 10:52 AM
13. How about calling her Bill's Insignificant Other? (as compared to those who have obviously been more significant)

Posted by: katomar on February 22, 2007 10:55 AM
14. My conservative friends,

You should be praying to the God(& Goddess) for Hillary to get the nomination in 2008. The Democratic Party, if they nominate her, will be handing the White House over to whomever the Republcans nominate in 2008.

Hillary is not electable to the presidency. Too many people remenber the Clinton years and his shenanigans.

Posted by: Libertarian on February 22, 2007 10:56 AM
15. After I figured out the moniker, PIAPS, I thought that is what I should call it.

Second, I don't think anyone who demands that you don't look them in the eyes deserves an iota of respect.

Posted by: swatter on February 22, 2007 11:04 AM
16. Hillary haters beware, unless Gingrich is chosen for the GOP PUSA candidate the party is doomed in the 2008 elections.

I don't like Hillary all that much but she has the money/influence/experience/power to go all the way.

Posted by: Cato on February 22, 2007 11:16 AM
17. How about call her a nothing odor. No identity, parasite of Billiam Jefferson Rapist. Scumocratic party. Read the first chapter of Romans to understand what Demoncrats are about. Godless. It takes a village to run out a molester. In this case, the molester's enabler. Proud of Billy are you Hilly? YOU ARE NO VICTIM, but an enabler. How clever.

Posted by: pbs7mm on February 22, 2007 12:34 PM
18. Go ahead with the childish names if it makes you feel better, as we all know you don't have much to be glad about lately.

And say "former Senator Clinton" when it becomes "President Clinton" again.

Keep it up, G.O.P. Deliverance wing.

Posted by: Jim on February 22, 2007 12:52 PM
19. Jim, have you looked at the stock market and disappearing federal deficit lately?

Not much to be glad about?

Watchoo talkin bout?

Posted by: Rey Smith on February 22, 2007 12:56 PM
20. You can put all kinds of peanuts on a liberal turd. Call it a Baby Ruth. Like Hilly, it's still pure crap to the core. Pee-nustz envy Paynter can relate. Same small feely liberal me first brain, same tell tale odor. First "woman who has a shot"? Please. So emancipated femi-nazis should vote Hilly Billy because "it" is female? Any woman that votes for looks (oooh, look at Obama-hotty-camel-lama in his swimmy shorts) or gender are pure idiots and an insult to their right to vote. Is Hilly a woman? Only her mortified doctor is sure. I'll vote for a woman, definately, if SHE is qualified FOR THE JOB, not because of her plumbing or looks. Hilly is not qualified for anything except enabling a creep husband rapist, or is it the other way around now?

Payback time eh Billy?

Posted by: M1Garand on February 22, 2007 01:13 PM
21. Speaking of Senator Rodham Clinton distancing herself from the former President Clinton, it would be interesting to track, as the campaign goes own, how often she does campaign appearances with him vs how often other candidates appear with their spouses. That might better show whether or not she's trying to stay away from him.

Granted, the former President can do things, such as fund raising, much better than your average politician's spouse, so you'd have to also track what the spouses were doing when they weren't with their candidate spouse.

For example, if Bill's fundraising while Hillary's at an appearance, that counts as less avoidance than if he were playing golf or chasing interns.

Posted by: Heartless Libertarian on February 22, 2007 01:22 PM
22.
In the tradition of TomKat and Bradjolina I'll call it Obaminton, or Clintama.

Posted by: John Bailo on February 22, 2007 01:42 PM
23. Oh Jimbo. Are you not just sooooo above it all. Thank you for your brow beating tempered and enlightened response. If not for mental giants like you and Albert, I would still be open burning large vats of used motor oil and not wanting government provided health care. How could I be so lost?

I feel so free now. Anyway, it burns better if you let it soak in the old growth stumps for a few years first. Oops! Relapse! Stop! must...hug...tree. Burn candles at the Hilly and Billy shrine.

Sorry to stimulate your deep brain flatus Jim.

Posted by: pbs7mm on February 22, 2007 01:45 PM
24. Rey @ 19
have you looked at stock market and disappearing federal deficit lately?

Have you looked at Governmental spending recentley? Wars aren't cheap.

Stock market is doing ok if you look at the S&P 500 (the true measure of the economy). Federal trade deficit is higher than ever.

The real problem Rey is the Federal Debt, when China decides to dump our bonds the US will be in real trouble.

I don't think Hillary can solve it but W. is just trowing fuel on the fire.

Posted by: Cato on February 22, 2007 02:54 PM
25. I wonder how Chuck Schumer has enjoyed being thought of as the Jr. Senator from NY ever since Billary Carpetbagger was put in.

Posted by: PC on February 22, 2007 03:19 PM
26. At least he is slowly throwing fuel on the fire compared to when PIAPS takes over with prescription, Social Security and Health Care boondoggles. It may be enough to throw things over the edge.

China is doing the same thing we are. They are hurting and if they dump on the US, who else will buy the products. No, it is in their interest to keep things going as is.

Posted by: swatter on February 22, 2007 03:22 PM
27. Cato,

There's a lot to be said about staying out of foreign quagmires like the Middle East. We need to un-involve ourselves in the Iraq mess.

Once again, it is proven that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

Posted by: Libertarian on February 22, 2007 03:22 PM
28. There's a lot to be said about staying out of foreign quagmires like the Middle East.

Yes, if only we had not meddled in Saudi Arabia, Israel-Palestinian conflict, Somalia, Bosnia, etc, etc, etc, the twin towers would not have fallen. Maybe if we stop "stirring the hornets' nest" they will stop coming after us. The UBL's of the world would have left us alone. That really what you think?

Posted by: Palouse on February 22, 2007 03:34 PM
29. Personally, i think the Swiss have the best plan. They don't get involved, and they hold the money while the others fight.

I really don't care one whit whether the Israelis or the Palestinians occupy that bit of land betweet Lebanon, Jordan, and Egypt. It makes no difference to me.

As a matter of fact, the countyr would have been a helluva lot better off by not getting involved in World War I. Woodrow Wilson pulled that horrific mistake, and that war led to communism getting a try in Russia and led directly to World War II.

BTW, Palouse, what did we get out of the Southeast Asian fiasco? How about the Korean War? If all this stuff is so important, why aren't the Europeans champing at the bit to get involved?

Posted by: Libertarian on February 22, 2007 04:00 PM
30. I really don't know what we got out of Somalia and Bosnia either, other than making the libs feel good that we stopped a "genocide" (nevermind the thousands of innocent Serbs who were killed in that process). At least with Iraq, we got rid of a madman and his sons who funded terrorists and routinely shot at our planes and plotted to kill a US president and violated UN resolutions.

Who knows what Saddam would have done if allowed to stay in power for the next 20 years? All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing. We could have had two situations like Iran to deal with instead of one.

No, putting our head in the sand and ignoring evil is not a solution. 9/11 proved that.

Posted by: Palouse on February 22, 2007 04:29 PM
31. No, putting our head in the sand and ignoring evil is not a solution. 9/11 proved that.

Posted by Palouse at February 22, 2007 04:29 PM
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Then you must be prepared to use nuclear weapons to destroy about a billion Muslims.

The really crazy thing about the Islamo-crazies is that they see the US as the great evil, and we see them as the great evil. This whole thing is nutty.

Posted by: Libertarian on February 22, 2007 04:32 PM
32. In the case of Iran we're too late - they already have the bomb and will have alot more. They (or someone they give a bomb to) will either drop one on Israel or on us, in which case Israel and the US will wipe them out. They will initiate the attack and have pretty much already alluded to that fact by saying that "Israel will cease to exist". I think he means it, do you?

Posted by: Palouse on February 22, 2007 04:46 PM
33. Is "La Bitchio" taken?

Posted by: Hinton on February 22, 2007 05:29 PM
34. 1. Billary
2. Hillary Rotten Clinton
3. Her thighness

(All courtesy of a talk radio host I listened to today driving up the I-5...)

Posted by: Organization Man on February 22, 2007 10:07 PM
35. "Billary"

There is no "Hillary", nor "Bubba", only Team Clinton. Had they not formed their unholy union, Bubba's trouser snake tribulations and Hillary's far-left gender feminism would have prevented either from achieving anything significant.

Posted by: ewaggin on February 22, 2007 10:22 PM
36. Due to her activities in Arkansas, I refer to her as "The Bag Lady of Little Rock."

Posted by: JB on February 23, 2007 03:03 AM
37. Pie-waggon in a pants suit

Posted by: JDH on February 23, 2007 07:57 AM
38. Hillary - let's try reakless, hyper-partian and one of the most dangerious liers out there.

Posted by: Stan Moss on February 23, 2007 08:29 AM
39. Cato:

Good thoughts, although there is no such thing as a "federal trade deficit." There's just a trade deficit -- mostly with China. Meaning what? That they pay their workers less than we do, and we're so rich we can buy all the cheap goods made there. The "trade" we have with China is that we trade them pieces of paper (called money) for Christmas ornaments, CD players, and laptops. We win.

The federal bonds to which you refer, and which China and other countires do indeed hold scads of, are hardly a weakness for the US. Think about it for a minute: if you had bonds payable in the future at a guaranteed rate of return, why would you want to bankrupt the issuer, so that the bonds would become essentially worthless to you? Especially when the bond issuer was also your biggest international trading partner, and the source of all those little pieces of paper, with pictures of US presidents on them, that you covet so (since your own government insists on so devaluing its currency that it is virtually worthless)?

I admit that international trade, and capitalism as currently practiced, are not often pretty. But they do work, and they do perform some very vital stabilizing functions. After all, there's nothing like future profits to thin out the hordes of robotic Red Guards, chanting the words of Chairman Mao, and waving those silly little books. Uh, except in Seattle. The left-wing stockholders there prefer to simply ignore reality and wallow in the fragrant hypocrisy of undeserved wealth camouflaged with social indignation. As a moral fig leaf, such protestations make about as much sense as considering a woman ethically fit for the Presidency because she DIDN'T throw her philandering husband out of the White House.

Posted by: Rey Smith on February 23, 2007 08:47 AM
40. Don't they refer to the current President of the United States as simply "Bush" in their usual propaganda? Why all the angst about what to call Her Highness? If she wins, (at least for as long as the country survives after that), I'm quite sure they will use every derivitave of "President HRC, Commander in Chief HRC, America's first female President" they can think of.

Posted by: Scott C on February 23, 2007 11:56 AM
41. While I have a few other choice names I could call her, I think most media style guides provide that first reference would be to "Sen. Hillary Clinton", with subsquent references to "Mrs. Clinton".

One appropriate parallel might be as in addressing Queen Elizabeth: first time as "Your Majesty", followed by "yes, ma'am" or "mum".

Posted by: sestamibi on February 23, 2007 05:15 PM
42. Woo! Woo! I know exactly what to call HC . . . Mao! Maybe "Madam Chairman!". Check out this little number she was wearing at a recent Demorat function. Straight from Communist China! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

New Busters

Georgie looks like he's in love . . .

Posted by: G Jiggy on February 23, 2007 05:43 PM
43. Wow, there are still some neanderthals out there who are Republican. All of the Democrats will have the same name this election--"Remember Katrina and Abu Ghraib." There isn't a single Republican who has a snowball's chance in hell of winning in 2008.

Posted by: TechnoMom on February 24, 2007 01:16 PM
44. If the GOP does win in 2008, say hello to the new socialism of income redistribution, universal healthcare and the expanding nanny state thanks to reactionary liberals like you, Technomom...

Posted by: KS on February 24, 2007 10:37 PM
45. If the GOP does NOT win in 2008, say hello to the new socialism of income redistribution, universal healthcare and the expanding nanny state thanks to reactionary liberals like you, Technomom...

Posted by: KS on February 24, 2007 10:38 PM
46. KS--income redistribution? I think the Democrats already took care of that last month when they stopped sending my tax dollars to Exxon! As for universal healthcare-bring it on! I pay $518 a month for healthcare since I'm self-employed. I WANT universal healthcare and so does everyone else in this country! As for the nanny state--I guess that's what you neanderthals call it when the Democrats talk about their commitment to providing adequate healthcare and income to wounded soldiers returning from Iraq! Because the Republicans for DAMN SURE don't want to do anything to help our kids who have fought so hard over there in Iraq. Republicans made sure that our returning soldiers ended up in homeless shelters begging for food and medical care! REPUBLICANS have SPIT IN THE FACE of our returning soldiers. But I guess you think that's okay as long as you have a yellow ribbon on the back of your SUV.

Posted by: TechnoMom on February 26, 2007 08:34 PM
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