February 08, 2007
State Senator Eric Oemig seems to be setting himself up as a local version of far-left Congressman Dennis "Moonbeam" Kucinich
|Eric Oemig||Dennis Kucinich|
Oemig has announced he'll be announcing his sponsorship of a state Senate resolution to impeach President Bush and Vice President Cheney.
Real good use of legislative time and resources, no? Funny, impeachment is not an issue that Oemig campaigned on, not even to his far-left base. Oemig has sponsored a number of other weird, far-left bills that bear no resemblance to the platform he campaigned on.
UPDATE: Postman reports that Oemig says the group which posted the announcement was wrong to mention impeachment, but he is working on a resolution calling for "an investigation of the financial aspects of the war and occupation". Good issue for Congress, not the legislature.
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at February 08, 2007
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1. I'm sure people on here would be lining up to impeach Clinton had this blog been around in the 90's. I don't see what's the big deal here?
Another grandstanding 'Rat politician. Why, those are just so rare these days. Who would have thunk it? I'm shocked I tell you...
(Maybe he's angling for a trip on Air Pelosi?)
Find me a resolution sponsored by a Republican state legislator which called for impeaching Pres. Clinton and you'll have a point, Cato. As is, you don't.
You can also point out which laws Pres. Bush broke which would justify his impeachment. Specific laws, not Bush lied - people died, wiretaps and other security measures the POTUS has the authority to enact. Specifics.
Then, you can have your buddies in the United States Congress drop the resolution, hold the votes and start the Senate trial ... while the state Legislature can continue to do its business.
Bush certainly does deserve impeachment for his treasonous dereliction of duty regarding our porous borders and his wanton refusal to safeguard this nation by enforcing the the law.
But, this is just a pipe dream..right?
Ok Jimg...How about this one:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Illegal wiretapping without warrants should easily be cause for impeachment. Guess the Kangaroo Courts were not good enough for Dubya.
6. This is the 'rats attempt at a coup. Impeach Dubya and Cheney, and Peelosi gets the bigger plane.
The wire taps are foreign communications intercepts of known terrorist contacting people in the US. They are not internal phones calls. Phone calls into and out of the country are to and from terror suspects are not subject the Constitution. The Constitution protection applies to CITIZENS of the US not to foreign terrorists.
The phone call database is of phone company call records. The record of your phone calls is not private it belongs to the phone company it does not belong to you.
Standard field craft for operating on enemy soil (ie the terrorists) is to not to call your contact directly. The bad guy calls someone in the US. How many people would pass a message from someone they don't know to another person for $500? Person in the US calls a second and so on for a dozen or so phone calls all passing a benign message. Now the contact is not the last person in the phone chain but some one in the middle.
This is where the phone records come in. The gov't collect 4 data points: originated phone #, terminated phone #, date and time.
They then map the phone tree and see if anyone in the phone tree is of interest.
The appropriate committees in the House and Senate all had been informed of these operations and signed off on them. The Democrat members of the committees knew and signed off on the operations.
The D's have had the house and Senate for a month now. If a crime has really been committee why haven't they started impeachment hearings.
Show me the crime that GWB is impeachable for.
Clinton committed perjury and was disbarred for it. Clinton's perjury was committed while under oath in a lawsuit brought under rules the Clinton Justice Department put into place regarding the questioning of past behavior in harassment suits.
Further along on that point, 52% of Americans agree with you according to a Zogby poll
from last year. In contrast, only about 35% (in the most generous polls, it's lower in some others) agree with Bush's current strategy in Iraq.
But people like Oemig are the fringe. OK!
Yeah genious, next time we'll hold a vote of the people when we need to go to war against those that did and would attack us and others of the free world.
Nobody wants to go to war - sometimes you have to stand and fight regardless the odds.
But then, liberals want nothing more than for America to be destroyed.
10. RE: #8 from Thehim: Now commission a poll that will show you that America wants him impeached! Phony Democrats read one line item of discontent and try to weave crap into a fact.
11. Back in the Seventies, the people of Cleveland used to refer to Dennis Kucinich as "Dennis the Menace." That pretty much sums it up.
12. Obviously Eric Oemig needs to review the constitution. He would realize that the power of impeachment lies with the US congress NOT the WA state legislature. Why is he wasting taxpayers money on a bill that, even if it passed, would be nothing more than a worthless piece of paper that nobody would read.
According to Postman, Oemig isn't planning to suggest impeachment in his proposal. Instead he's suggesting an investigation into the handling of money allocated to the Iraq war.
It looks like this kooky organization put words in the good senator's mouth that weren't warranted. Kudos to Oemig for putting them in their place by publicly refuting their claims, even if it was a mild rebuke.
14. wow,this guy is NOT a good fit for his district (which is one block away from the 5th, where I live.)
Eric, knock it off and grow up. You've got some big shoes to fill.
15. Mr Smitty, even if it is the case that Oemig feels an investigation is warranted that is the job of the US Congress to do not the Washington State Congress. He is just grandstanding and wasting our state governments time when there are far more pressing matters at the state level like actually fixing the problems with the DOC supervised release program.
TS - that's true. However, federal spending on anything affects the $$ that come into our state. so the iraq war (and every other project the federal gov't spends significant $$ on) do have an impact on the work of the washington state senate.
I agree that there's probably a better use of Oemig's time, I was just pointing out that this isn't as unreasonable as the group's original press release claiming impeachment was included.
Hate to tell you JCM that CITIZENS of the US are not immune from illegal un-warranted wiretaps. That was the whole point of the (not so) secret wiretaps. All it takes is the PUSA/FBI/CIA/NSA/ETC to claim your an enemy combatant and your rights as a CITIZEN go straight out the window.
Just takes one false accusation (like that lawyer in Portland) of terrorism and your wisked away in the middle of the night, deported to Syria, and tortured till you admit what they want you to say.
Seems wholly undemocratic and impeachable to me.
18. Oh No Cato! I forgot my tinfoil hat! (cue twilight zone music)
"Just takes one false accusation (like that lawyer in Portland) of terrorism and your wisked away in the middle of the night, deported to Syria, and tortured till you admit what they want you to say."
Please explain, Cato.
can we attach an emergency clause to this bill?
it's a state emergency.
Don't ask him to explain, Bill. Ask him for examples. Cite please on some "Portland lawyer" who was carted off to Syria never to be seen again. Careful citing examples of people who turned out to be enemy combatants ... lest people think you're on the other side of this war.
See Cato, this is exactly what I expected from people like you when I asked the question - you citing a statute, a portion of a statute or a portion of the Constitution and then you apply your rationale and call that grounds for impeachment.
If everything is so cut and dried as you say it is, then why aren't the articles of impeachment drawn up already? Could it possibly be there is no impeachable offense? Naw. Can't be that. Must be some nefarious plot.
Care to answer the other questions I posed? Like Republican state legislators who ran out the Impeach Clinton canard? That was the point in your original post, no?
My email to Oemig below:
Now, I'll admit that I wasn't looking forward to you taking office from the start. I'm a staunch Republican but yet, I'm willing to give pretty much anyone a chance. I'm not even going to take extreme issue with you sponsoring bills that I disagree with in principle. What I can't stand now though is the fact that you're sponsoring all these bills and resolutions that have absolutely nothing to do with the duties of a STATE legislator. Do you have no concept of federalism? I expect such things from the general citizenry but you are an elected official. You're held to a slightly higher standard. Therefore, why on earth are you planning on sponsoring a bill to impeach the president. It's wrong on so many levels and even if I agreed with you on the principle that Bush is a war criminal, a liar or whatever other nom du jour you're using for him may be, I'd still disagree with what you are doing. A resolution to impeach the president is, at very best, the authority of US congress. You were elected to help create laws for the functioning of the state's education system, transportation, emergency preparedness, business development and tax revenue. If you don't like the president, fine, why don't you call up Jim McDermott, Adam Smith or Rick Larsen and tell them to do something about. Or perhaps they are at least intelligent enough to know that doing such a thing is an incredible waste of time. For even if such proceedings were to get underway and the results were to end up favorable to people of your ilk, they wouldn't be so until after Bush had already left office. Furthermore, do any of you people really stop to think about what you're saying when you say "Impeach Bush!" You're saying you'd like Cheney to be president. Really?! Wow!
I usually try to be civil with my civil servants, even the ones I disagree with, but there just aren't any other words that encompass what I think of you, Eric. You are completely unfit to serve in elected office. You never expected to be elected. You only rode the wave of anti-Republican sentiment and now you have no idea what you're doing in Olympia. Enjoy the next four years because if you and the other more extreme members of your party continue to sponsor bills of the nature you have been they will most certainly be your last.
A very disappointed constituent.
Climb aboard Eric! The Harold Feingold Saucer Squad has a navigator's seat near a window for you!
BTW -- according to WikiPedia, "impeachment" is a charge brought against any high level officials.
A Senator can be impeached.
Therefore I am launching a "local group" (as the Seattle PI so often concocts it) to Impeach Hillary Clinton.
Among her crimes are:
Death of Vince Foster
Wasting Public Funds on Hairbrained Health Care Plan
Lying about her stand in Iraq
24. If your story is true and their is nothing in your history to suggest that, Cato, why would the US kidnap somebody and send hin to Syria? Don't you mean Poland or some other country that believes in interrogation?
25. COMPLETE. WASTE. OF. TIME.
Jimg, here is the Lawyer from Portland
in case you thought I made the whole thing up. Oh, let's not forget the Canadian guy who was taken to Syria
It seems the reason no Republican state legislators seemed to jump on the Clinton impeachment is that the House of Rep. was already on top of it.
I think this attempt by several state legislatures (mainly Dem controlled) is to express their displeasure that no one on the national level has taken up their cause. You can read all about it here.
That was the point in your original post, no?
If you read my original post it says:
I'm sure people on here would be lining up to impeach Clinton had this blog been around in the 90's.
Seems to imply people like you who post on Sound Politics would be calling for the impeachment of Clinton had this website been around in 1994 - 1999.
27. Uh, your link to the "Portland Lawyer" shows that you don't let facts get in the way of your statements, Cato. He wasn't deported to anyplace, and he wasn't tortured. He was falsely accused,(imagine that during a war on terror). He's also recieved an apology and part of what will probably be a handsome monetary settlement from Uncle Sam.
28. Hey Bill, speaking of being falsely accused, I remember one Billy Dale who got accused of all kinds of garbage by the Clintons at the beginning of the clinton presidency. Dale was cleared of any and everything that the Clintons very treacherously accused him of.
Why do you continue to pick on Eric? Don't you know that he's gluten intolerant?
You fascists sure like to pick on the downtrodden.
Misty, yup I remember "Travelgate". Charming folks, the Clintons.
31. I hear that Jay Inslee is going to introduce legislation giving Billy Dale all of his federal retirement plan just like Valerie Plame...out of fairness don't you know.
32. Not to mention the Valerie Plame/Joe Wilson witch hunt. I don't remember anyone on the left giving Karl Rove or Scooter Libby the presumption of innocence.
33. Don't forget in a hearing on election reform this "individual" Mr. Omeig had a picture of Stalin at the hearing. Maybe his daytimer is a little red book too.
34. This senate wouldn't have time to impeach Bush, they are too busy impeaching the citizens of this state and their wallets and initiative process. With their love of felons voting soon I am sure they will have them running day care centers in this state.
Funny how the "Impeach Bush" crowd started their chanting YEARS before anyone learned about the foreign wiretap program. And that Zogby poll, for anyone who bothered to follow Cato's link, was complete bullshit. It posed a hypothetical question that didn't accurately describe the program--and then said whether this should be grounds for investigation for impeachment. Pretty weak stuff.
This reminds me of all of the leftists I've been hearing touting an MSNBC poll saying 80+ percent of respondents favor impeachment--and it turns out that was an on-line poll. Bogus.
People who think Bush should be impeached are utterly unserious. I hope Oemig's smarter than that.
36. As long as the State Legislature keeps busy at this kind of nonsense they won't be working on more interventionist nanny-state nonsense.
37. My god, I believe David Matthews has found himself a friend, this Cato thing.
First, you are an idiot. You are no more "Cato" (As in the CATO institute??) than I am Jesus Christ.
"I'm sure people on here would be lining up to impeach Clinton had this blog been around in the 90's."
Republicans understand that matters such as impeachmen and foreign policy are FEDERAL MATTERS and would never waste the time of the people of the State of Washington on meaningless "resolutions" that exceed their authority.
Only ignorant liberals make up meaningless "resolutions" on such matters in their state,local and municipal elected positions.
Second of all your bit about "Warrantless Wiretapping" is the same old liberal LIE. The only people wiretapped were people who were phoning KNOW AQ terrorists. If they did NOT wiretap these people and we had another attack, you traitorous liberals would be out there shouting about how they weren't being wiretapped.
Oh and you forgot to regurgitate the liberal lie about checking on terrorist finances too. Apparently the only time Liberals want to delve into people's finances is when they are dadbeat parents (See Clinton's Welfare reform Act of 1997, US Code: Title 42, Section 666, FINANCIAL DATA MATCHES).
Apparently to liberals, disrupting terrorist finances is taboo, unless they are deadbeat parents, OR we have another attack. Then they love finger pointing about how the things they insisted not be done, were not done and the cosequences came home to roost.
39. I wonder how much carbon emissions Pelosi's personal luxury aircraft (if she gets what she wants) "Pelosi One" will emit?
Cato aka Idiot:
"I think this attempt by several state legislatures (mainly Dem controlled) is to express their displeasure that no one on the national level has taken up their cause.
State legislators can contact their federal elected representatives and NOT waste time during the legislative session. That is how it works idiot, I mean CATO.
Cato's World where 2 plus 2 = 5.
A Portland guy was detained as a material witness since his fingerprints were all over bomb material to a case where Canada (not the US) accused a guy of terrorism so they deported the scumbag to place of origin. While there, he claims he was tortured.
These two stories are not related.
pbj spells out the particulars in this case very succintly- Oemig should contact his legislators in DC the same way you and I do.
42. Oemig looks like he could be the poster boy for a Metronatural campaign.
43. . . . and this kook will be reelected. geez.
44. dedub, so will Josh Brown.
LIES, LIES, LIES...War built on lies
Pentagon officials undercut the intelligence community in the run-up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq by insisting in briefings to the White House that there was a clear relationship between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida, the Defense Department's inspector general said Friday.
$166 billion of wasted funds by Dubya.
You guys get angry at your taxes being misspent locally, how about nationally. =)
Sigh. I get so tired of people like you, Cato. Fed up, actually.
You want to impeach Bush over what you believe are law-breaking offenses and lies, fine. Do it. Now. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Introduce the Articles of Impeachment and stop talking about it. Thing is, you won't. But won't stop you from boring the crap out of the rest of us with your constant threats and made-up accusations.
Effin' fools. The lot of you.
But, doesn't President Bush unequivocally deserve to be impeached for his abject dereliction of duty to secure our borders from invasion - and his treasonous back-room deals with Mexico??
48. Bloodless coup anyone? If Bush and Cheney are impeached, Nancy Polosi will get a bigger plane afterall. Next in line. If they can't win at the ballotbox, perhaps this will work.
Eric Oemig is my brother-in-law and and a stunt like this is no surprise to me. He was a Bush hater from the word go, and attempted to moderate his positions somewhat last year for political advantage at the election. (Of course, it almost seems all you need is a (D) by your name to win over there)
Trust me, I know him all to well. I think what my esteemed brother-in-law fails to understand in his Left-wing zeal is A) There is no obvious impeachable offense. The President using his executive powers to command the military after the Congress overwhelmingly passed a bill entitled "Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq" is pretty much per the Constitution. Not to mention the multiple breaches of the cease fire agreement signed by Saddam in 1991, each of which is legal grounds for a resumption in hostilities. B) Even if there was an impeachable offense, it's not 2 for 1, then you have Dick Cheney as President. Then you have to start over from scratch. C) Even if you could find a loophole to impeach President Bush, by the time it came to pass, we'd already be at the 2008 election. So what would it accomplish? D) Even if you could find a way to impeach Bush and then find a way to impeach Cheney, you'd then have an incumbant President San Fran Nan Pelosi. Good for Democrats, BAD for Sen. Clinton. Any Democrats really think that the Clintons will allow another Democrat to ursurp Hillary's run in 2008??? Seriously?
Far more politically calculating to let Bush twist for the next two years, (while doing everying humanly possible to undermine anything he tries to do), so the Republicans will be in the worst possible political position in 2008, ripe for Democrat to be elected. And that Democrat will of course be Hillary. *shutter*