January 22, 2007
A nationalized election or an exceptionally bad state election?
Brent Boger, former state Court of Appeals candidate and current Republican state committeman for Clark County, recently observed:
there has been a debate about our defeat this year--whether it was just a national anti-Republican wave breaking in Washington or whether it was something different.
He found that
The Washington Republican legislative performance was easily in the bottom five in the entire country and by some measurements the worst in the country.
He wrote up his findings here
. Boger concludes:
We can turn this around.
But turning it around will be all the more difficult if we remain in denial and dismiss the results as caused by a national wave.
State GOP chief Diane Tebelius, on the other hand, maintains that "No one is to blame in our state for a nationalized election
". Saturday's election for WSRP chairman should be interesting.
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at January 22, 2007
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Interesting but meaningless. The right has lost and will be lost for a long time to come.
This internal election is only relevant to the minority right wingers out there....beyond that, it's a big
Talk among yourselves...
2. RE: StefanisWrong has been playing with itself for too long and it has affected it's thinking, AND it is growing hair in the palm of it's hand.
It's funny how stupid StefanisWrong comes off. He treats this off year election like it's some sort of a national mandate.
Was the last election, which the democrats lost, a mandate? No. How about the one before. No. But this one is and things will never change.
Pretty pathetic really.
The only thing more pathetic is Diane Tebelius and her "it's not our fault" thinking.
Given how bad our state GOP is at framing issues for public consumption, siezing issues that matter, and selecting candidates that can communicate a winning idea, I think it's time for our major contributors in this state to rise up and demand better.
The reason they lost in Was State is that Republicans tried to be Democrats. That will NEVER work for them. Case in point - Bev Woods, 23rd in Kitsap County. She shunned the precinct captains when they confronted her about the gas tax. She then made some propaganda about being supported by Main steam Republicans", meaning Democrats calling themselves Republicans. That is just the OPPOSITE of what we want.
I want a Republicans that will fight like HELL against the socialists tax raisers in Olympia - NOT someone who lists their "accomplishments" as big tax and spnd bacon largesse.
The party needs to stop listening to the liberal MSM which has it doubting itself. The liberal MSM has been and always WILL be against the party. Ignore them and fight the Democrats.
Between the Republicans earmarking money for everything under the sun, spending like profligates, dry-shaving those who supported them at every turn and outright graft and the leadership covering up graft - I got to the point where I didn't really give a hoot one way or the other whether or not they lost.
I have a slightly different take on the shellacking the Republican candidates took the last election cycle.
I believe that if they had not provided cover for criminals within their own ranks, ala the USCCB (http://www.usccb.org/index.shtml), that they would have come through the election in much better shape, but would still have lost seats.
People who tend to vote Republican were not amused as story after story of political graft came out and they showed their disapproval. There is absolutely no way that you will ever be able to convince me that the Republican leadership was not aware of what was going on and were providing cover for the perpetrators. I believe that many others are of the same opinion and they showed their disapproval by showing a damn good number of Republicans the door.
I really don't care that "the other side does it too," actually I expect them to and what is more those who vote for them expect it, but I will not tolerate it and the only way to deal with it is in the manner that it was dealt with the last election cycle.
It's going to take a lot for the Republican Party to recover from this, when they do they would be wise to remember what they experienced in 2006.
4 & 5 exactly my thoughts. add to that a distinct loss of testosterone, or loss of junkyard dog attitude or standing firm on issues, and you have a perfect waffle.
too bad. the left sure does not spare any bile & dirt. "i'm better than that" may have to be re-thought. at some point, one needs political live rounds, not more getting along. Queensbury Rules are long gone. bring out the mustard gas.
JDH, so you are in the Tebelius and Toby Nixon camp?
And for the troll above, you and Ivan may laugh, but it is discussions like this that may bring the R politicians into the real world. And what is your side doing today except proposing a State income tax, no supermajority, etc. etc.. You do know, though, that by the next election you will gnawing and gnashing your teeth in rejection, don't you? But, you may be right; the Rs have to get their act together and so far in this legislative session, it doesn't appear so.
8. As long as rebublicans act and govern as democrat lite, they will stay out of power. The best way to achieve and retain power is to come up with a state contract such as lower taxes, return medicare/medicaid back to the Feds, restructure all govenmental agencies, strict fiscal accountability through full audits, eliminate all unfunded mandates to all businesses, restructure the total tax system to stream line revenue. This would be a good start...and start to phase out sociaist programs. That will attract a large host of voters.
9. Not at all, a good part of the problem with Washington State Republican Party is that they stand for nothing. They may talk a good game but Lord help anyone who trusts them. As I have said numerous times: I had them on probation te 2004 cycle after not giving them a dime for ~ a decade. How do I feel about what I paid to support? Well let me put it this way, THEY ARE CUT OFF PERMENANTLY. My political donations will be to individuals who I have personally vetted and through the NRA from now on, period. I feel as though I helped to pay for the rope I was hanged with and this will not happen again.
As I stated on another thread, I miss the honest Republicans.
Smaller government, balanced budgets, nose out of everybody else's business, protect the environment. (By the way, how's that national debt--is it up 50% now or still @ 49% since W?)
The long gone Republicans stood for these things but your party has been taken over by the Deliverance Wing.
11. The republicans get bashed for all the controversial things and don't know how to answer those issues with any softness or understanding to pull the mainstream on there side... you can blame the rightwing nuts for that. Your average republican justs wants there party back.
Prediction: the status quo will prevail; the current State Chair will be re-elected to preserve the pursuit of "unity".
From what I saw at the King County GOP re-org meeting, Dec 2nd, the Party is little more than a rubber stamp, mutual appreciation society.
The Washington GOP operates according to these rules, in an endless loop ...
THE SIX PHASES OF A PROJECT
1 - Enthusiasm
2 - Disillusionment
3 - Panic
4 - Search for the Guilty
5 - Punishment of the Innocent
6 - Praise and Honor for the Non-participants
-- Chart found on the wall of the Dallas offices
of the defunct Superconducting Super Collider Lab. (From an article by Bruce Sterling,
F & SF Magazine, July 1994 .)
13. Chris Vance makes the party look rediculous... someone get him out of the public eye. Even Diane Tebelius who is a lawyer and you'd think she'd be able present herself well in the public fails by any standard in this state. We need a republican party that can focus on the good of the party and take these Dems out for botching so many projects its not even funny.
14. Take Global Warming as a political position... Why even argue if its a real or not... who cares!??!? As a republican I'm more for cleaner air and cleaner energy like wind and solar. Don't you think a republican who fights for cleaner energy looks better in peoples eyes than one who argues whether global warming or climate change is an impact issue? Get real!!!
15. Take Global Warming as a political position... Why even argue if its real or not... who cares!??!? As a republican I'm more for cleaner air and cleaner energy like wind and solar. Don't you think a republican who fights for cleaner energy looks better in peoples eyes than one who argues whether global warming or climate change is an impact issue? Get real!!!
16. The troll is asking and answering his own questions using different handles. Kinda cute, don't you think? He also sounds like a D operative trying to stir up the masses.
17. Tebelius is a drunk. I attended a golfing event for the House Republican Campaign Committee and she was so s#it-faced she could hardly talk. Now thats the face i want for our party!
Hey King5 UpFront, I take exception to your comment about Chris Vance making the party look ridiculous. He is an extremely well-spoken person, and very knowledgeable. Now, if we're just talking about HIS looks, well that is a discussion for another day..... (sorry, I couldn't resist).
But the fact that he still IS in the public eye a year after he resigned the chairmanship should be significant to anyone who's paying attention. The media would rather talk to the FORMER chairman than the current one, Diane Tebelius. Gee, what a great spokesperson SHE is. Yet ANOTHER reason to replace her with a professional like Luke Esser.
19. I am using different handles as subject lines and I have voted republican for my entire voting life... Just pointing out that the Washington is weak. And needs some intelligent life so they don't look like they are a bunch of agressive, mean and environmentally/socially irresponsible. Seattle is filled with liberal nuts and you need to be able to articulate the republican message without sounding like an ASS! Dino Rossi did this better than any republican I've seen in decades. He made a couple of miscuse but overall an A- effort. He won then got robbed.
Jim at #10,
The national debt as measured as a debt/equity style ratio is so low that the government bonds are considered one of the safest investments in the world. As you may have learned from your economic classes, any business that does not take on debt is worth less than it would be worth if it did take on debt and grew. At least up to the point that it can continue to handle that debt.
With that said, it is painfully obvious to me that our national debt could be twice or thrice what it is now without having to worry about it. Our trade deficit is a more serious concern to me.
And with that said, we should be reminded of Milton Friedman and only use the debt financing in an attempt to speed money flow when it is necessary for us to do so and only at at rate and to those industries that will improve the economy but not burn it out causing too much inflation.
It would be nice if the national debt was lower, but it really doesn't need to be at this time. What needs to happen is to reduce the trade deficit which in turn would reduce the need of the government to debt finance economic growth and reduce the national debt.
What we need is a "Contract with Washington" not "kowtow to kooks". Most of my friends are on the other side of the political fence, but they said they really didn't see any difference between their tax-and-spend candidates and most of the Republican candidates.
I agree with number 5. When improper conduct is discovered it needs to be taken care of at once, not several months down the road after the New York Slimes runs it as a cover story. It doesn't matter if the other side does similar or worse. When you are in the public eye, you are under intense scrutiny whether you like it or not. It comes with the job.
If the state party is serious about reaching the "undecided" 20% of voters, the party needs a clear, concise message on what it intends to do. And here's a big hint--lower taxes, implement school vouchers, and fix it so cities and the state have to spend their dollars on priorities first and fuzzy wuzzy projects second. There shouldn't have to be special levies for roads, police, and paramedics. And tell the sports teams to pay their own way.
Tebellius is as much in denial about WSRP not being at fault as Bush is in denial about his so-called surge plan being the right thing to do, when less than 1/3 of people agree with it (not to mention how many military officials).
Clearly there needs to be new blood and real leadership for a change at the top of the WSRP. She should probably go the way of Harriet Meiers and resign. Otherwise, there is little hope that the Republicans will rise up and win as a party anytime soon.
23. Utterly astonishing. Tebelius claiming the nationalized election is to blame -- when the people who got slaughtered were STATE candidates. The 3 Republican FEDERAL representatives all won -- and handily. Two were targetted by national democrats and the third was Chairman of the Ethics Cmte. How can those three in the national bullseye not just survive, but win going away -- and yet the state candidates were smothered by a national wave?!?!?! Its time for honesty and leadership from Republicans -- starting with the Party Chair -- not someone who says its everyone else's fault and tries to cling on to her position rather than do what's best for the party, which would be for Tebelius to have some guts and honor and step down.
When I vote for local dogcatcher, I want o know how good he is at catching dogs. I could care less about his position on Iraq, Darfur or global hunger as it is irrelevant to dog catching.
The only place I know where local officals are so arrogant as to pass resolutions of Iraq and such are the bozos in Seattle.