January 16, 2007
Inadequate determinations of adequacy

This article discusses the nationwide craze of education funding "adequacy" lawsuits, like the one just filed by Washington educators:

Wyoming plaintiffs ... have so far doubled Wyoming's per-pupil spending, elevating it from $5,971 in 1996-97 to an estimated $12,422 for 2006-07 Beginning teacher salaries, for those with master's degrees, rose in constant dollars from $24,402 in 1997 to $32,451 in 2004 ... The average student-teacher ratio declined from 15 to 1 in 1993 to 13 to 1 in 2003. In spite of dramatic increases in spending, Wyoming student achievement levels in math ... have either been stagnant or dropped
The Seattle Perpetually-Inadequate applauds the Washington lawsuit:
The state is defying its own constitution by refusing to fund public education at anywhere close to levels adequate to meet the needs of all students.
The P-I has never said how much funding it thinks would be "adequate".

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at January 16, 2007 05:00 PM | Email This
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1. adequate = whatever the WEA demands. 100K starting salary for teachers. 15:1 ratio (that is 15 teachers / union-members to 1 student...)

Posted by: CrazyFool in Lynnwood on January 16, 2007 04:54 PM
2. Stefan, a really stupid question, I am surprised.

The answer of course is how much money to you have? If you keep any for yourself you are selfish and depriving the children so cough it up and no one gets hurt.

/channeling the WEA

Posted by: JCM on January 16, 2007 05:27 PM
3. Liberals will never have enough public money to spend on their schemes.

Wouldn't it be nice if they could show some results once in a while before they cry for more money. Nah, they've found a better way. Sue!

Posted by: Bill Cruchon on January 16, 2007 05:27 PM
4. Ask them what they want, promise it to them, and then turn the rest of the recipients of government spending loose on them. If they have all the money they want, there would be little left for anything else. So, we need to hear from the "anything else" folks loud and clear. A good dogfight over the scraps left after promising the professional educators what they want should make it apparent what would be left out.

The prospect of a political battle of this sort is why they prefer to go to court. If they can get a court decision in their favor, they need not engage in such political battles.

Note that they cannot get what they want from politics even when their party controls both the executive and legislative branches. There just isn't enough money to satisfy every demand for government spending. So, they want to circumvent the legislature via the courts.

This is so clearly a political question that is unsuited for judicial decision, it's too bad we don't have a judiciary that will simply say so.

Posted by: Micajah on January 16, 2007 05:55 PM
5. "The P-I has never said how much funding would be 'adequate'."

More.

(Duh!)

Posted by: Kirk Parker on January 16, 2007 06:04 PM
6. Notice how a 15:1 Student/Teacher ratio in Wyoming was "inadequate" to properly teach the kids? Then they went to 13:1 and it still didn't improve. What is the appropriate, results guaranteed ratio?

So, what we hear from the WEA, et. al., is that the teachers are all capable of giving the kids a great education - they just need more money to unlock that potential?

You want private sector pay? Get a private sector job.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on January 16, 2007 06:43 PM
7. The current institutional structure cannot be fixed. At some point, after all students who can exit have left, the per pupil spending will increase until those voting for funds stop voting for additional funds. Then there is the worst of all possible situations. A pool of hard to educate children, many for whom English is a second language. Teachers who can't get jobs at premium private schools and those waiting for retirement. The system needs competition in order to survive. More money will not fix this institutional structure.

Posted by: WVH on January 16, 2007 07:33 PM
8. When are they going to start looking at what kind of education the teachers are receiving? The Universities and teachers schools seem to be above it all yet that is where the teachers are trained.

Posted by: Scribe on January 16, 2007 07:35 PM
9. Scribe:

Carolyn Hoxby has an excellent article "Would Competition Change the Characteristics of Teachers?" She concludes the answer is yes because:
1. Parents are consumers and given a choice away
from a monopoly, most would choose schools that actually educate their children.
2. Schools that parents don't choose would go out of business.
3. Schools of education would be forced to train teachers and principles who can survive in a delegulated environment. Part of the curriculum would be the idea that you could lose your job.
4. Right now, people in the education sector are trained in a regulated monopoly environment.
Competiton is scary, because like the private sector there are no guarantees.

Posted by: WVH on January 16, 2007 07:43 PM
10. The proponents of more spending will never give a figure, that would make them accountable. If they are give what they ask for, then they'll be expected to produce results. If we just spend more without being give an amount/student, they can always say that it wasn't enough.

Their request will always be to "fully fund" education, whatever that means, but it can easily be translated as more.

The left has give us wonderful examples of doublespeak:
Fully Fund = Spend more
Invest = Spend more
Contributions = More taxes

Posted by: Obi-Wan on January 16, 2007 08:12 PM
11. institute a loser pays system--now--

but, will that only mean educators (my taxes) will pay if lost? so, my right pocket sues my left pocket, in essence.

what a deal! and all brought to you by your edu-cracy & unions. public sector copying the private sector with all those EEOC, ADA and a host of other diversity/discrim. lawsuits against one's employer.

why work? just sue. bounty and a legal lotto for all! oh--it's for the children...all this effort and resources in courts will filter down to a kid's desk, right?

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on January 17, 2007 04:45 AM
12. A 30 to 40 to 1 ratio worked in the 50s and 60s. Why wouldn't it work now? Discipline!! Discipline!! Discipline!!

Posted by: swatter on January 17, 2007 07:07 AM
13. God gave us liberals so we would have an infinite supply of baristas. (And we've structured our schools accordingly.) Leave the spending/class ratio alone; it's the natural order of things.

Posted by: Walters on January 17, 2007 07:37 AM
14. Deja vu all over again. This is the very same argument that the WEA and school districts brought 30 years ago in Thurston County Superior Court, where a well respected judge agreed and declared the state was not living up to the state's constitutional mandate of adequate education.

I wonder, in dollars adjusted for inflation, how the per pupil spending (as if it made any difference) then compares to what it is now. Guess? It's now much higher in real dollars. But is that enough? Nooooooooo.... never enough according to the usual suspects.

Posted by: Larry on January 17, 2007 08:54 AM
15. Ever notice that when it comes to teacher salaries, they only mention beginning teachers' salaries? What they never talk about is salaries for teachers at the top of the range, which is nearly $60,000 not including benefits, for doing maybe a 3/4-time job. For what...merely having put in the time and perhaps getting a masters "degree." In how many other jobs can one do that? None.

Posted by: FlyingFingers on January 17, 2007 10:51 AM
16. Something to think about from the Gadfly:
Frozen Assets: Rethinking Teacher Contracts Could Free Billions for School Reform
Education Sector
Marguerite Roza
January 2007

This paper by the insightful and prolific Marguerite Roza analyzes eight common provisions in teacher contracts, showing how each contributes to overall education spending. For example, experience-based pay accounts for about 10 percent of the more than $500 billion America spends on K-12 education annually. Salary increases linked to educational credentials (e.g., a master's degree) and class size limitations each account for about 2 percent. The other contract provisions account for smaller percentages--sick, personal, and professional-development days; teachers aides; and excess health and retirement benefits (above those provided in other professions) each tally between 0.5 and 1.3 percent of total spending. Of course, even 1 percent of $500 billion is a big number, which brings us to the report's fundamental assertion. We spend billions on teacher perks with little or no evidence that the money is spent wisely, or wouldn't be better used to recruit stronger teachers, reward the best teachers, or target resources to the neediest students. This paper is best read as a national overview; it doesn't dig into specific examples or variations between states or districts. But it poses key issues. Have we made optimal tradeoffs in our public-education budgets or are they simply haphazard accumulations of myriad decisions made in years past? You already know the answer. But the unions don't want to hear it. The Washington Post caught Antonia Cortese of the AFT saying that the report was "on thin ice for its sweeping ... and often inaccurate" assertions. Reg Weaver of the NEA could only repeat his favorite mantra when asked about the report: "fully fund public education." One hopes more substantive discussions are occurring somewhere. One can be confident that Dr. Roza will keep raising such issues and for that we are grateful. The report is online here.

http://www.educationsector.org/research/research_show.htm?doc_id=436576

by Eric Osberg

Posted by: WVH on January 18, 2007 11:26 PM
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