December 17, 2006
Open Thread On The Storm
Well, almost open thread. If your comments would fit better under one of the storm posts below, then put them there. Use this thread for anything else on the storm.
(For me, the storm was just a minor inconvenience. Here's my
first post after my power came back on.)
Posted by Jim Miller at December 17, 2006
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1. I just drove all around Redmond and could not find a place to fill up with gas. I had to drive home and am not sure I will have gas to go to work tomorrow. The station down the street (I won't say where for fear of mobs) is still open, but it has at least 20 cars parked in line. I'm not even sure they have gas as the line has not moved.
Just two days without power. One of the lucky ones.
One of the biggest problems has been traffic signals that don't work because they've lost power. While most of the traffic signals were back on in the Edmonds/Lynnwood/Shoreline area fairly quickly, several key signals were out for two days (maybe longer---didn't go up to to Costco at Aurora Village area today), creating massive choke-points as these turn into gigantic FOUR WAY STOPS. At one time yesterday, 205th/SR 104 (Edmonds Ferry route) was backed up from Interstate 5, all the way to Aurora, because of one lousy intersection at 76th/Meridan that had no power. So.......
My question is: I know the police are really busy (or at least they were during the first 24 or so hours with emergencies), but why can't cities/counties train the public works/transportation department employees to direct traffic and station them at intersections where the signals are out? I think Edmonds had 4 or 5 intersections out of power for 2 days---and I bet their Public Works Department has at least 15 employees---couldn't they be trained to lend a hand in an emergency?
I don't think this is rocket science, but I may be missing something . . . ?
3. First you would have to have two of them at every inersection, when was the last time you saw any County vehicle without at least two people in it for every one situation they were handling?
We have an old rotary (dial) phone that we keep for power outages. It runs off the phone line, not electricity. I believe these are still sold in stores, very inexpensive. A good thing to have on hand.
Also, I was amazed to observe how many people were unprepared when the storm hit. We gassed up our cars before the winds came, had firelogs, batteries, etc. I hope this storm helps everyone to pay more attention to their emergency supplies on hand, because if an earthquake hits conditions could be a lot worse.
There is a gas station open with no lines in Kirkland, a 76 station on the corner of NE 132nd St. and 100th Ave. NE in Juanita area.
Thank you for a place to post this. (For the regulars, I am Mrs. Organization Man.)
Several comments on the storm:
1. Watching the news I am truly amazed at the lack of preparation by the folks in this area; no back-up heat source, little or no food that requires no cooking, empty gas tanks. Were we not warned of this storm?
2. Out-sourcing of power line maintenance crews by Puget Sound Energy has seriously impaired that utility's ability to respond. I saw crews from several states working in my home area. I'm glad to have the extra help but recall much better response when the utility had in-house folks leading the effort.
3. This storm was a mere breeze compared to the February 1979 100-120 mph storm that sunk the western half of the Hood Canal Bridge. Buildings blown apart by wind gusts, entire stands of huge timber shredded like matchsticks, and of course, the loss of a major transportation link. What would happen if we had another storm like that?
4. I can't believe the stupid things people do when they are without power....using charcoal grilles, poorly placed candles and even generators indoors. It's a tragedy some folks got carbon monoxide poisoning or even killed by doing really dumb things.
5. Think about it and prepare yourselves, folks....you're not in California anymore.....
I used to live in Virginia, and in our neighborhood, all of the power lines ran underground. Very aesthetic, and just a wee tad difficult for any falling tree to take out.
For all of the people around here who like to affect a southern accent when imitating a "stupid" person, why do we keep putting power lines up and watching trees knock them down? This is silly, in my humble opinion.
Yes, I'm sure burying them is more expensive -- kinda like taking an entire region with three million people offline for a week. Yes, there's moisture down there in the ground that could affect the equipment -- just like there's a bit of moisture on the hanging lines every time it rains. Yes, it could be a harder to repair a break in the middle of a line -- if you just bury the line itself, instead of doing the smart thing and burying running it through a pipe, out of which it could easily be pulled.
I'm not suggesting burying all lines immediately, but why not require buried lines for all new developments, and begin a gradual retrofit of older areas? Am I missing something?
Our lines are buried.. the adjacent neighborhood has buried lines as well... terrific, but only as long as surrounding roads without buried lines don't go down... and they always do.
This time it was only 36 hours... during the Clinton inaugeration storm, we were without for over a week!
My power from overhead lines is back on. A few blocks away, my neighbors with the buried lines are still in the dark. Overhead lines are suspectable to damage, but the damage can be usually be readily identified.
This has, however, made me think twice about VOIP telephone (which I was considering). I never lost telephone, but did lose power. Without power I had no cable internet. Without internet, you have no VOIP.
My power went out around 10PM Thursday and came back up a few hours ago. Life went on pretty much as normal. I do a lot of camping and back packing and lead a pretty simple life (I don't own a TV) so I've got the gear and skills to deal with no power for a bit. I'm always amazed at how little these sorts of things effect me.
I have DSL and didn't even need to reboot my router.
10. Terri- Rotary phones don't work on most phone lines these days. However, there are touch-tone phones that don't need to be plugged in. There is enough current on phone lines to power a simple touch-tone phone (of course, not a cordless one).
11. Carnation and other parts of Snoqualmie Valley are still without power as of Sunday night, and phone service is out as well. Century Tel doesn't even know why the phones are out, so no estimate on repair time. PSE is saying that the valley will be without power for at least another 24 hours, and probably longer. We have a generator as do some of the neighbors, but most have no power at all.
12. Alex, this afternoon, the north end of Sammamish was pumping gas. Give it a try.
13. The gas stations by U-village and U-District have been slammed for days. They keep running out of gas. I don't think I've seen one of them without at least 20 cars....well until they had to close becasue they ran out.....the lines and pissed off people remind me of gas lines when Carter was in charge. Yikes!!
General comment: Civilization is a surprisingly thin veneer: The old saying about how no civilization is more than 3 meals from a revolution more-or-less applies: Most people in western WA can probably survive 3 days without power without major trauma; as long as it doesn't get real cold. How well would most people survive in their homes even 3 weeks without power ??.. Not real well, I expect....
Being prepared to survive in reasonably good form for a least a week without any help or public services is something everyone should be able to do (but very few actually CAN do, I expect).
WRT underground power lines:
Last summer I acted as informal project manager for myself and 3 neighbors in the laying of 7700+ feet of underground 7200-Volt cable-in-conduit, so this is a subject on which I have at least a little practical experience. A few things:
 ... For the pre-mated high-voltage cable that is already installed in conduit that comes on 2500-foot reels, the total cost for the cable AND plowing it in with a cat-mounted cable plow last summer was: $3.02 for the cable + $1.25 to rip (1st run by cat) and then lay the cable (2nd run) = $4.28 per foot; **IF** you do NOT have to prepare / dig any sections with an excavator. We were laying cable in rocky ground thru 100-foot trees, so some preparation was necessary (but we didn't have to dig even ONE foot of trench). IIRC we ended up spending about $0.75 per foot for all prep, so total cost on our project was about $5.00 per foot. Of course cost at any point in time will depend greatly on cable cost (shot way up after Katrina; has come down again). But most of the time in reasonable ground cable-in-conduit can be plowed in for at least several dollars a foot less that the traditional ''dig-trench, glue-conduit'' method.
 ... By comparison, last time I checked in my part of the State OVERHEAD distribution lines in average conditions were running between $3.50 - $4.00 a foot. So underground cable-in-conduit distribution lines plowed in are a bit more expensive, but not hugely so. And especially if you're in the trees, it's a slam-dunk: Go underground.
 ... Even though I think underground power has been put in up to about 60 KiloVolts, it is only clearly cost-effective for DISTRIBUTION line voltages: 7200-Volt to 15 KVolts or so. In the last storm Puget Sound Energy lost quite a few TRANSMISSION lines (115 KVolt and up); putting THOSE underground is hugely expensive to the point of being out of sight, cost-wise.
 ... In areas with tall trees, underground distribution lines is the ONLY way to go, for safety, reliability, AND estethics. It doesn't solve the transmission line problem, but transmission lines don't go down that often. This storm was one of the exceptions: We lost the transmission line over Loup Loup Pass, and the entire upper Methow Valley went dark until that came back up (the local radical left-wing eco-extremists may have a harder slog now, trying to sell their illogical theory of how the Methow really doesn't need 2 transmission lines).
 ... Even in 2006, fireplaces, wood-stoves, and generators are REAL handy things to have in situations like this (as long as you don't do something stupid with them).
15. Bad part: the gas stations that raised their prices just because they can. I hope they get the wrath of formerly loyal customers. So much for the "in it together" community spirit.
Don't give me that bull about free marketplace/big oil conspiracy either. These were just the local operators taking advantage of the fact they had power to pump gas to those who had to search out where the fuel was available. One scene was two gas stations across the street from each other, one with power, one without. Guess who raised his price 10 cents in a matter of a couple hours then 3 more before the end of the day? I hope they like seeing me drive through their lot just to turn around and go across the street.
Good part: setting down to a meal with the neighbors sharing our resources. Lesson learned: My propane grill is nice, neighbors' gas stove was nicer in this application.
And the last two words that could be fun for those of you with little more than a fireplace for heat... JiffyPop.
I live on 148th in Redmond near NE 85th, and my power went out at 12:30am on Friday, and came back a little after 5:30am on Saturday morning. My parents had a tree go down in the yard, but it fortunately didn't hit anything, and their power came back on early Saturday morning also. Most of the Education Hill neighborhood in Redmond is still out as of earlier this evening, and based on the damage they could be a while in getting back up. My sister's neighborhood (near Eastgate) is going to be out for at least another day, possibly more, but they're staying with my parents for the time being. My brother up in Sultan said their power never went out for more than 45 minutes at a time.
All in all, I probably could have been a bit better prepared, but got through OK.
favs/ not favs... commentary on storm hysteria..comments could also apply to any 1 inch snow we get
1. Gas line hysteria. Except for 5 gallon cans for generators, why all the panic to refuel?
2. QFC panic; why strip the store shelves after the storm (yeah, i know you throw out some food, but man i've got like 3 weeks of pasta and soups in the pantyr, no need to panic at the store
3. Endless yapping about it; man i lived it too, its boring already.
18. I blame FEMA and George Bush. Did you know they are suppressing stories of bodies stacked up in the freezers in the KingDome?
19. Also note that all three of this year's big storms were associated with home night games by the local pro-football team (well, semi-pro nowdays...). If they make the playoffs and play at home, expect an earthquake that night.
20. The amount of kvetching here is very stunning. We all got ample warning and all of us should have sufficient time to beforehand i.e. fuel up the cars, purchase batteries, candles, bread, milk, and some nonperishable canned food. Probable there was even enought time for a quick trip to the liquor store. I grew up in Montana. We were always prepared--everyone was. The nanny state is thriving.
Power goes out every year in our neighborhood due to the abundance of trees. So we were prepared. Having two wood stoves in the house is a big plus for heat and/or cooking. We have flashlights and batteries in every room in the house, along with some battery lanterns. We got power back on Sunday, so it was not that bad.
Still trying to cut and clean up the downed evergreen though. Smashed through a section of fence, which was much better than if it had fell about 4 feet to the left where it would have hit our deck and hot tub.
22. Growing up in Montana or N. Idaho(where I grew up) does not prepare you to accept the fact that you have to dispose of everything in your refrigerators/freezers. (however, in Montana/Idaho, you could just ignore the temps, because it was below freezing so nothing was lost). My kids in Univ. Place are still without power because of a huge Maple that severed the power pole and also the connection pole on their home. The tree is no longer blocking the street & their driveway, but who knows when the power will be restored to their street.
I have a rotary phone in my kitchen as my main telephone. It's fun to watch the reaction of younger people when they encounter it. Upstairs in the bedroom I have a phone which will operate on either tone or rotary clicks. My line supports either one.
Quit whining children. Above ground or below, constant electricity is not an inalienable right. The power has not been off for even four days, it's an inconvenience, not a problem.
We shouldn't need to drive all over town wasting gas in a search to find gas. We also shouldn't be clogging the roads and impairing the movement of emergency services. Driving to the mall because you are cold and don't have your christmas shopping done is not necessary. Driving to transport an elderly or sick friend or relative who needs to go somewhere with heat or power is.
Be prepared to take care of yourself and your family. It is probably too much to ask, but in an ideal situation, we'd even have enough supplies, intelligence and courtesy to look out for a neighbor who may not be as prepared.
Don't whine about conspiracy theories about power restoration, or complain that the law of supply and demand applies even to gasoline, or dispair that you don't see government employees directing traffic or wiping your ass. Relax, bundle up, spend the weekend at home with a good book and get over it.
25. Why worry? just put your head in the sand and call 911. Someone will be at your door in three minutes with a hot meal and a shoulder to cry on! What happens when we get the big shake and the intellegencia can't get their Starbucks?
Kevin & Samuel Huntington,
Right on! I'm still chuckling over the whining I see in the comments on "Best Info During The Storm?". Where did all these weenies come from?
...sure brings out the whimps in us.
and preparedness/self-reliance? and we need to fight terrorists? wow--we in BIIIG trouble!
ps--my diversity 2 cents: Carbon monox. & bbq'ing indoors by immigrants. who can we blame/sue now? unlike Sno. County's immigr. guests a few years ago, at least they have been versed in what a toilet is for. charcoal is another thing.
a big thanks for the tireless utility folk whom we ingore until now. and the police/fire folk working extra for the storm. it;s appreciated.
If everyone tried to stock up just before the storm, the results would have been the same as trying to stock up after the storm: not enough to go around (and, when the power went out, many places were closed, making things worse during/after the storm).
The lesson should be clear. Preapare in well in advance. Keep batteries, bottled water, canned goods (or other non-perishable food), etc. on hand at all times, then rotate out the old stuff by using it, and replenish with new, always keeping a "rotating stock" on hand.
We need to be prepared to help our neighbors as well as ourselves (the elderly especially).
From conversations I've had over the last several days, a lot of people don't realize how much manpower and transportation resources it takes to maintain the grocery store shelves and gas station storage tanks, or how quickly these supply lines dry up when something major happens.
Some people I have suggested this too think it's silly, "Oh, we don't get storms like this that often," etc.). But, talk to someone from an earthquake active area (like some places in California), and they think it's stupid not to be prepared.
And, having at least one firearm and some ammunition is not a bad idea either.
I am amazed by people who weren't
prepared at all. My neighbor was in her house on Saturday, wearing every bit of clothing she owned and burning small pieces of paper. A little flame flickering in her fireplace. I was just amazed. This household probably makes double what we do so it wasn't for lack of money.
After I inspected the house (lost a few shingles and the big tree stayed up)and as soon as I knew we were in for a protracted time of no electricity, I unpacked all of the emergency supplies (a generator is really overkill I think)and set them up in the basement. The wood insert is located there so it is easier to heat that area than the whole house. Wood wise we were good for a week or so, food wasn't a problem. A 5 minute drive and we could secure restaurant food anyway. Power was back on Saturday night, phone on Sunday. Once I was good to go, I went down to see the 86 year old lady down the street and made sure she was OK and had what she needed. She's a real trooper and had a wood fire up and going and was puttering in the yard when I got there.
Anybody that can't last a few days in their house without electricity better sit down and do some serious evaluation about personal preparedness.
hey Jiggy--right-o with the preparedness.
and thanks from me for checking on that senior citizen. i wonder if your common fellow citizen concern is still taught in our homes/schools these days. you did well by that, my friend.
i'm sure some libs would have done it too, but they generally do not "embrace" self-reliance. keep warm. best to you & yours. one less "victim" makes us all a little stronger.
Kevin at 24:
I agree with just about everything you posted except for the flippant government employees remark. There were major intersections that really could have used a police officer (1! THAT IS ALL!) to direct traffic. Just in the amount I drove on Friday and Saturday (not in a quest for gas, btw), there were major spots in Covington, Maple Valley, and Federal Way that could have used a cop directing traffic just to keep traffic flowing, and that's just what I saw in person. This is not a nanny state kind of thing unless you are someone who has diehard Libertarian attitudes. Heck, part of what caused the panic about gas was people having to inch their way in traffic due to the decision by whoever that major intersections would have to be 4-way style stops.
REGARDING: Police officers directing traffic at intersections.
I do not think it is reasonable to expect law enforcement to post officers to direct traffic at intersections.
With fist fights at gas stations, grocery stores and Costco breaking out (yes, I know of at least one instance at each mentioned place), and so much else going on under these conditions, law enforcement has their hands full dealing with far more serious issues, like power lines on roadways, welfare checks on people in damaged homes, welfare checks on elderly individuals, fights, etc.
An officer can't perform any of these critical, potentially life saving functions if the officer is planted at an intersection to direct traffic. And every department has limited resources. Some officers might not make it in on time, or at all due to road closures, putting even more strain on resources.
Yes, the fire deparment is there to help too, but they're resources are just as strained during circumstances like the post-storm conditions.
Also, there can be an increase in crime under blackout conditions, as opportunistic individuals take adavantage of the confusion and darkness, so police tend to spend a lot of time trying to stay active, visible, and mobile, to cover as much territory as possilble.
All while dealing with the same conditions you and I have to deal with.
Dedicating an officer to an intersection, even a major one in my opinion is just not practical, and perhaps not even a priority under these circumstances. People will just have to make do and survive until things improve.
ferrous @ 31:
"Heck, part of what caused the panic about gas was people having to inch their way in traffic due to the decision by whoever that major intersections would have to be 4-way style stops."
When traffic control devices are non-functional (i.e., dead, not blinking red, etc.), the intersection is supposed to be treated as a four-way stop anyway. Putting stop signs at intersections just helps those who don't know this (even though they should), or those who may miss the intersection in the dark. Unfortunately, there are not enough stop signs to cover all intersections.
There may be some exceptions, but in general at busy intersections, putting stop signs on the minor arterial and leaving the main arterial open, might improve traffic flow, but is asking for trouble and can be downright deadly. This is especially true at night with no street lighting, and no ambient light from stores, etc., i.e., total darkness, except for your headlights.
The situation is further made worse by some folks who seem to feel that driving 10 over in complete darkness with no traffic signals is OK, and end up breezing through an uncontrolled intersection at 45-50 MPH (like I saw in Kenmore).
Add the DUI drivers in around 11 PM, and you have a recipie for a really bad accident.
Again, people just have to make do, drive carefully, and be patient until the situation improves.
34. FREE TREE SERVICE
I'm offering to cut up decent trees for the firewood. Not available for trees hung up near power lines or houses. Prefer Southeast Bellevue
area. Will cut up but not haul off branches. If interested sent email to firstname.lastname@example.org Include pictures if possible.
35. I live north of Carson WA. Power was back on late Saturday evening. We had some major damage, trees down and a couple of houses that were hit. You'll never hear about any problems in our area. It was entertaining to listen to the Seattle problems on XM Radio. We're off-grid so the power outage didn't affect us.
36. I'm from Chicago. Under no circumstances would we ever, ever tolerate 2 days without electricity without sacking someone. If you want to live like inbred hippies that's your choice. But you're a big city now and you need to be run like one. You need to hold someone accountable for this. And if it's God, fire him.
BAINBRIDGE ISLAND CITY LEADERSHIP FALLS FLAT ON THEIR FACES: LET THEM EAT COLD CAKE SAYS MAYOR KORDONOWY
Mayor KORDONOWY, BI MAYOR, and Council are Bainbridge Island's version of New Orlean's Mayor Ray Nagon. Where were the open door shelters at COBI City Hall or Senior Center? We have the worst storm in 20 years and there are countless elderly stuck in frozen dark homes. Where were the shelters? Big talk about leadership in government but the proof is in the pudding. BI failed.
Friday afternoon ferry unloads and the intersection at 305/Winslow Way has no police officers assisting the safe transit of ferry traffic, passengers. The only people at the intersection were the Women in Black. Where was BIPD? Where was Mayor et al? Vacation or recuperating from the last COBI session.
We sent COBI personnel to New Orleans to learn the lessons of Hurrican Katrina? To what benefit when we have our Katrina and the leadership cadre was no where to be found.
Something is seriously wrong on nanny state People's Republic of Bainbridge Island.
If you really want to have a police officer stationed at 'major intersections' during an emergency, you need to demand higher taxes or spending cuts so local LE agencies can DOUBLE or TRIPLE the size of their police force. As you obviously have no clue of the ratio of police officers to interesctions and the crazy notion that there might be a higher demand for priority calls during such emergencies.
Having been a former police officer, I am not opposed to the sentiment of hiring more. But more importantly, I think we should grow up and understand that in times of major regional emergency or disaster, the traffic might suck.
I'd venture that half the people on the road had no vital reason to be there. So blame your stupid neighbors who had to 'find a starbucks' or 'go to the mall for heat' if you don't like the traffic.
Instead of a cop at every interesection, we should just have patrols out to round up those on the road, and take the starbucks bound mall rats to internment centers where they can make do with cold tasters choice and a sweater.
I developed an ingenious solution that prevented me from suffering from the horror of long lines at intersections - I made one trip via car in four days. I drove from the eastside to north seattle, to pick up an elderly friend, and drove him down to south king county where he could stay with someone who had power. I stuck to freeways and avoided major intersections, the trip took about twice as along as normal bad traffic and miraculously, I lived to tell my story. Somebody get me on Oprah, I think I have a book to pitch.
Still no power today from PSE in Snoqualmie Valley! Strange thing is that folks on the Sno PUD side of the county line have power.
Re: posts 37/38 FAILURE OF BAINBRIDGE LEADERSHIP TO LEAD:
Issue of intersection being assisted by Bainbridge Police officers is a no-brainer: the intersection is across the street from the police station. 3K cars daily pass through this intersection. This is also a state highway and a key transportation nexus.
It isn't too much to ask, is it?
41. Being a Seattle native and now a 37+ transplant in hurricane country I am somewhat "amused." Then I must say, always have batteries. When you see one of those monster storms coming stock up on essentials. Those telephones that run on telephone co lines will always work and are a godsend. Tape up your freezers. I can't understand how stupid people are when they run their generators inside. And have patience with the power companies. When we got hit by Andrew and I mean wiped out, I was brought to tears when I saw all the power companies coming from all over the country to work on our power lines. Be patient with each other and help each other. And most of all, as demonstrated by the storms of 2005, never ever depend on the gov. for assistance. New Orleans still has areas with sporadic power outages. But go figure. It's like Baghdad in more ways than ever. Be patient. Life will return to "normal." It just takes time. Best wishes and Merry Christmas to one and all, ya'all!
Frankly, I'm amazed no one on this blog is following up on the Katrina-plus sized mess that King county created.
First off, we (here in redmond) are in the sixth day of no power. I'm in an apartment with-all electric and the conditions are literally life threatening. It appears that PSE has give priority to business customers, as they have been coming up much faster than residences, even when there clearly aren't big infrastructure issues for the residences. One interesting bit is watching the ambulances going non-stop up the road more or less day and night. I don'[t think that the death of older people due to fribulations brought on by hypothermia, or pneumonia, or other hypothermia-related diseases is even being tracked. PSE should be prioritising residences.
Second, in the video interview on the PSE web site, the pres mentions that they don't work the crews "more than 40 hours". I presume its a union work rule that they can only work 40 hours per week, but the 40 hours can be distributed any way PSE wants, and two 40 hour periods can be stacked back to back. That sounds rugged, esp in the cold and dark, but people really are dying from the cold, and I wonder if the rules couldn't be relaxed a bit during this emergency. Or is it that PSE is reluctant to pay the overtime? Or would it be a federal (OSHA) thing? Anyway, after the initial surge, PSE's hookup rate seemed to fall to 25,000 per day consistently, a which rate it will be another 48 days until this is done. We certainly haven't seen any trucks over here, and in fact I've looked all over the area and only seen a few crews actually working.
Thirdly, why on earth didn't anyone in king county prune the damned trees before the storm?
Frankly the storm was substantial, but not anywhere near hurricane force (I mention this because of the florida comment). Florida, texas, even snohomish county, takes storms like this every year, and recovers in a metter of a day or two. Usually without significant outages. In the case of King county, it destroyed the entire electrial grid!
It would be less egregious a problem if a (non technical) friend of mine from Snohomish county hadn't pointed out all of the branches in the lines and asked why on earth don't they prune them,( like in Snohomish county) as the first good storm would bring the whole thing down. That was in September. You would have thought that at least with the storm forecast several days in advance someone would have sent crews out with chainsaws to prune the worst offenders. Then there would have been a far less significant outage in the first place, and 120,000 "subscribers" (figure that means families with an average of 2.5 people per, so 300,000 actual people) wouldn't be huddling in the dark, hoping to live through the experience.
Finally, don't sit in a nice warm house with everything safe and sound, and tell me to be "patient" while I and a qurter million other people slowly die from exposure! One big difference between here and the Andrew aftermath is the sub freezing temperatures. This is life threatening. And was avoidable.
Caught the math error:
120,000 subscribes being restored 25,000 per day will be another 5 days. If more outages aren't caused by the next storm due in today. And if they actually keep up the 25,000 per day rate. All unlikely.
Caught the math error:
120,000 subscribes being restored 25,000 per day will be another 5 days. If more outages aren't caused by the next storm due in today. And if they actually keep up the 25,000 per day rate. All unlikely.