November 21, 2006
Al-Sadr Needs To Be Dispatched

According to the WaPo, the Pentagon may be warming to increasing U.S. troops in Iraq and then boosting training and guidance of Iraqi forces during a U.S. drawdown. But citing first-hand meetings with President Lyndon Johnson during the Vietnam War, former Washington Governor Dan Evans in a Seattle Times op-ed today asserts increasing U.S. troops makes little sense. The more hawkish conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer agrees, but in yesterday's Times goes further than Evans today. Krauthammer argues the great need is for a reformulated coalition government that can win the allegiance now granted by Iraqi troops only to "mosque or clan or militia," following 30 years of political rape by Saddam.

The Economist's blog Free Exchange today argues that a liberal economy and a liberal democratic political system in Iraq or anywhere are "superior to the alternatives;" and the "role of culture in impeding political and economic development" must be acknowledged. As must, Free Exchange fails to specify, cancerous theocratic tendencies. Muqtada al-Sadr, the radical Shiite Muslim militia leader allied with the vehemently anti-U.S. Iranian Islamist regime, would seem to rank high among current cultural impediments to political progress in Iraq. Mark Steyn notes:

When I had the honor of discussing the war with the president recently, he was at pains to emphasize that Iraq was "sovereign." That may be. But, at a time when a gazillion free-lance militias are running around the joint ignoring the sovereign government, it seems a mite pedantic to insist that the sole militia in the country that has to obey every last memo from Prime Minister Maliki is the U.S. armed forces. Muqtada al-Sadr is an emblem not of democracy's flowering but of the arid soil in which it's expected to grow. America would have been better off capturing and executing him two years ago.

...Someone in the GOP needs to do what Ronald Reagan did so brilliantly a quarter-century ago: reconcile the big challenges abroad with a small-government philosophy at home. The House and the Senate will not return to Republican hands until they do.

A good place to start on the current Iraqi challenge is not only with increased U.S. troops to Baghdad, but also the taking out of al-Sadr. As John McCain recently urged. al-Sadr's two million or so Baghdad-based adherents are called The Mahdi Army. This particular protector-in-chief of the Mahdi - the envisioned apocalyptic redeemer of Islam - needs to be put on an express bus to the hereafter.

Posted by Matt Rosenberg at November 21, 2006 05:17 PM | Email This
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1. As I've said before, a military draft is a good idea. Maybe people would understand the seriousness of this situation and quit the pussy-footing around. This war was a insanely stupid idea to begin with, but we are in it now and have to finish it... So, build up the troops for one last push.... Treat every citizen and captured soldier with respect and dignity if they evacuate, cooperate or surrender, but when it comes to waging war, damn the diplomacy and damn the collateral damage.

William T. Sherman said it best, "...we are not only fighting hostile armies, but a hostile people, and must make old and young, rich and poor, feel the hard hand of war, as well as their organized armies."

Posted by: Splinter on November 21, 2006 06:54 PM
2. It would seem along the theme of sending al-Sadr to have a heart-to-heart with his maker, that a temporary increase in US troops should be accompanied by a highly violent campaign against his compatriots as well. Not violent in a war crime sort of way, violent in a serious, concerted effort to destroy - or more likely severely maim - militias and related sectarian elements which, as Krauthammer in part laments, are restraining the necessary development of Iraqi civil society. However, such a strategy is fraught with challenges in domestic US politics, gnashing of teeth in the usual circles overseas, and potential chaos in the current Iraqi government. Damn.

Posted by: Eric Earling on November 21, 2006 07:06 PM
3. DUH! Matt you don't need a degree, or evan a high school diploma, to figure out this obvious truth. The big question is why haven't our generals and the president figured out.

Posted by: deadwood on November 21, 2006 07:25 PM
4. The Viet Nam war demonstrated to all that the United States did not have the will to win. As we as a country snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Lack of will to win followed in a number of skirmishes and events till the present day. Once again we have accomplished a military victory and overthrew a corrupt regime. Remember the whining of the liberal press at the onset. That we are confronting a large, well train army, etc. Having achieved the first step in securing a military victory, occupation follows. And occupation may be the most difficult as there are always a number of people from within and without with vested interest in maintaining the status quo or influencing outcomes. This was true after WWII when we occupied Germany and Japan. 61 years later, American troops are still deployed in Germany and Japan. History suggest that 60 years from now the USA will have troops deployed in Iraq. Stability in the middle east demands it. Countries in the middle east are being tested by radical despots that want to destroy Israel and of course kill the Great Satan. Regardless of the costs. We will be foolish if we pull up stakes and let them develop another safe haven. The people of Viet Nam who relied on our presence were murdered by the millions as we pulled up stakes and left them behind. History would suggest that the same will occur today, millions will be killed if we pull up stakes and once again demonstrate to the world that America can't not be trusted as a ally.

We have much to lose if we run from the field we created.

The terrorist were celebrating when the libs won Congress. And for good reason. That provides assurances that victory is theirs now and into the future.

Posted by: Snuffy on November 21, 2006 08:07 PM
5. Shouldn't you have thought of this before we spent thousands of U.S. casualties putting Al Sadr in power? Do you understand yet why Republicans historically disdain nation-building?

Posted by: Nancy on November 21, 2006 09:40 PM
6. Possible COAs:

1) Delta Force sniper team, using Iraqi or Combloc sniper rifle. Bullet to the brain. Downside: looks too much like a US hit-Iraqis, for the most part, don't do sniping.

2) Blow up his car with a Hellfire missile. Tell the Iraqi government, "Somebody rigged his car to blow. If you say otherwise, we leave, starting tomorrow."

3) Find a Sunni/Wahhabist extremist who hates Shii'tes enough to kill Sadr. Give him Allah's own VBIED (with our own remote safeties that he needn't know about) and put him in position to do the deed.

Oh yeah, and get rid of the stupid "No assassinations" ExecOrd.

Posted by: Heartless Libertarian on November 21, 2006 09:44 PM
7. I see three big turning points in the Iraq war.

1. Remember when the troops were rolling to the north and left supply lines thinly guarded. The MSM and Democrats were calling the war a "quagmire".
2. I was worried that after the bombing in the "softening" process, there were no Hussein soldiers to fight the troops. They blended into the background.
3. The Battle of Fallujah. We were in there to take out alSadr and he did the midEast shuffle and agreed to come to the peace table. We lost our chance to diplomacy. You can't trust the extremists.

Posted by: swatter on November 22, 2006 06:50 AM
8. The idea that the terrorists are going to win because of the Democratic victory in congress is simply hogwash.

IF the terrorists win, it will be due to gross (possibly criminal) incompetance by the Bush administration.

Posted by: Splinter on November 22, 2006 08:25 AM
9. Swatter-

Sadr wasn't in Fallujah-that was Zarqawi. However, in the more general sense, you are correct, in that 1st Armored Division had Sadr and his followers hemmed in and backed off let the Iraqi govt. cut a deal with him.

Posted by: Heartless Libertarian on November 22, 2006 08:57 AM
10. Kill Al Sadr then what? That will surely motivate his followers. So you'd better be ready for the violence that would follow. First we need to ask ourselves if we really want to bump the war up to that level. Or have we as a nation decided we don't have the stomach for these kinds of wars (meaning wars we cannot finish without being as savage as our enemies). I think the recent election points to the fact that our media driven attention span limitations will not allow us to finish the war. We're more in to our Play Stations and cyber porn than wars and national security. Sorry for the pessimism, but I don't see any good coming from escalating the war at this point. Not with this chicken s--- congress.

Posted by: Scott C on November 22, 2006 10:24 AM
11. Scott: "...I don't see any good coming from escalating the war at this point. Not with this chicken s--- congress."

Don't worry, this chicken s--- congress only has another month in office. Hopefully, the new congress in January will have the testicular fortitude to stand up to the criminally incompetent administration responsible for this foriegn fiasco.

Posted by: Splinter on November 22, 2006 10:46 AM
12. I heard that alSadr is/was heavily into Fallujah, too.

Splinter, you haven't convinced me that going into Iraq wasn't the principled and right thing to do. Especially, your last paragraph.

Posted by: swatter on November 22, 2006 11:20 AM
13. The idea that the terrorists are going to win because of the Democratic victory in congress is simply hogwash.

Really? Then why are our enemies celebrating the Democrat victories?

IF the terrorists win, it will be due to gross (possibly criminal) incompetance by the Bush administration.

See? You've already got your ready-made excuse when our emboldened enemies strike harder. It's not because they see and smell weakness from us; it's because we should've never responded to their attacks on us in the first place. (and before you predictably chant Iraq never attacked us, shut up. It's a global war, and the fact you and those like you still haven't figured this out proves you're not capable of protecting this country.)

I take back my previous statement about you being a reasonable person. You're a fool just like the rest of the short-sighted Left.

If we hadn't gone into Iraq and it became a safe haven for Al Queda and Saddam more entrenched in power (which was extremely likely, if not probable) you and your ilk would be the first people screaming about how incompetent and criminal the Bush Administration was because we know how much of a threat Saddam is and any fool would know he sides with enemies of the U.S., blah, blah, blah.

Your Monday Morning Quarterbacking sickens me. Why? Because the longer it goes, the better chance the rest of us will be killed as a result of your idiocy.

Posted by: jimg on November 22, 2006 11:46 AM
14. We should never have tried to turn Iraq over to an Iraqi government so soon. I argued (when we were invading Afghanistan) that if we were going in to overthrow a government, we should plan on staying for decades, teaching the locals how to run a democratic government. In the early 1900s we took over both Haiti and Cuba, each time leaving after a short period of time. Both fell back into chaos shortly after our departure. We were fairly successful in the Phillippines, where we stayed for nearly 50 years, but WW2 and the Cold War undid a lot of our work.

You can't just draw up a constitution, hold an election, and expect things to work out just fine. And the President's expectation that you could do just that is one of the reasons I was so very hesitant to vote for him in '04.

"When you set out to take Vienna, take Vienna!" - Napoleon

Posted by: Allen McPheeters on November 22, 2006 11:47 AM
15. Will assassinating a religious leader win the hearts and minds of his countrymen?

Posted by: doc benton on November 22, 2006 01:43 PM
16. Fallujah was Zarqawi/al Qaeda and the Sunni/Baathists.

Sadr is Shii'te. They don't like each other, and other than seeing violence as a means to increase their power, they don't have much in common.

And as it turns out, the Sunni tribes in al Anbar province now don't like a-Q much anymore, either. Google "Bill Roggio" for more on the story.

Posted by: Heartless Libertarian on November 22, 2006 05:42 PM
17. MAS was handsoff according to State Dept, so until they change their stance, military won't touch him. Chances are if he was arrested or taken out, Sistani would ask for calm. Mahdi Army is a misnomer and is more like a few BDEs of lightly armed, albeit still dangerous, personnel. Never had 2 million. Maybe SCIRI or OMS, but never in the Mahdi militia.

Posted by: Van on November 22, 2006 08:05 PM
18. Many thanks, Libertarian. I look all over for stuff like this. Is Roggio accurate consistently or is it one of those sites that you have to filter the good from the bad?

Posted by: swatter on November 23, 2006 06:07 AM
19. i am a liberal democrat. even so , i am sad of the "wimp image" of the democrat party. also , let me ask this question. colin powell stated that if you break it , you will have to fix it. ???? i disagree. we should pull back , but not retreat. we should disengage. we have plenty of military bases in iraq constructed and/or under construction. it is a disgrace to see a american soldier die from a sniper , roadside bomb , suicide bomber. also we need to reconsider to support the sunni minority even to the point to re establish saddam hussein back to power. it is time to re think our strategy. it is time to take a look at iran. islamic extremist were politacally incorrect to attack america on 9/11 , and so we have no duty to fight a political correct war. there were women and children killed when the twin towers fell. to me this demands that islam and christian learn to live in peace , (or one of us will have to go.) president "wimp" bush needs to stop fighting this war on the cheap , and commit america to a much broader war. unless the top islamic clerics decide to go to rome and sit down with the pope , and come up with a plan for peace. if this does not come to pass , i am willing to bet that israel will take iran out permanently very soon. lets give peace a chance , as lennon would say. but it needs to start with islamic clerics who need to teach muslims to respect other people and religions , as we christians already do.

Posted by: howard on November 23, 2006 09:33 PM
20. William T. Sherman said it best, "...we are not only fighting hostile armies, but a hostile people, and must make old and young, rich and poor, feel the hard hand of war, as well as their organized armies." I disagree go to http://www.apartments.waw.pl/

Posted by: apartments warsaw on November 28, 2006 07:10 AM
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