November 12, 2006
Where Is Okanogan County?

Don't know?  Then you are in good company; neither does the Seattle Times editorial page editor, James Vesely, as Fred Jessett points out in a letter to the editor:

James Vesely, report immediately to ninth grade!  You need a refresher on Washington geography.

Okanogan County is not "in the far northeast part of Washington."  Talk about a westsider having a warped view of the state.  Okanogan County covers the north central part of the state.  It lies west of Ferry, Stevens and Pend Oreille counties.  Its western border touches Whatcom and Skagit counties.

Here's what Vesely said, in a column printed last Sunday:

Okanogan County, in the far northeast part of Washington, is larger than Connecticut and Vermont combined.

Here's a map to help out Vesely:

Okanogan location

This confusion about geography is not limited to Vesely; I have caught three local journalists forgetting that Idaho is in the Northwest: David Postman, Floyd McKay, and David Ammons.   (Digression: If you read the David Postman post, you'll learn that President Bush actually carried the popular vote in the Northwest in the 2000 election.  But not, as I noted in a later post, in the 2004 election.)

I wouldn't mention this slip by Vesely except for two things.  First, the slip does reveal an interesting gap in his knowledge.  Jessett thinks that it shows an ignorance of matters east of the Cascades; I would go farther and say that it shows an ignorance of the parts of the state that can not be seen from the Space Needle.  Second, although the Times printed Jessett's letter, they have yet to make a formal correction — unless it doesn't show up when you search on "Okanogan".  And, to the best of my knowledge, Postman, McKay, and Ammons have never corrected their errors either.  I'll repeat some advice I have given to our journalists before: Readers are more likely to trust you if you correct your errors.  Is that hard to understand?  It appears so.

(Vesely's main point in the original column is one that I agree with; land use rules that fit a fast growing urban area such as Clark County may be inappropriate for rural counties such as Okanogan.  It is good to see a local journalist who understands that point.  And it may be immodest of me to say so, but I think Vesely might learn something on the general issue from this post.  Yes, that's right, I believe that we here in Washington state might learn something from Idaho.)

Posted by Jim Miller at November 12, 2006 04:45 PM | Email This
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1. West-siders know far less about the other side of the state than they ever care to admit. I think some people think that WSU is in Spokane.

Posted by: Michele on November 12, 2006 05:01 PM
2. Michelle: I agree. As a former 'westie', now lovingly at home in the better side of the State, I can tell you that universally, saying you are "from Seattle" will invite groans similar to those westies make when one says they're "from Kalifornia". We're pretty much sick and tired of being governed by King County, which holds NONE of the views, ethics or morals we hold important to us. We see Maria CantVoteWell, Queen Christine, and Patty Tennis Shoe Murray only when it's election time, and we're pretty well sick of being ignored. The R's have pretty much sold out, the D's don't understand (nor do they care to) our way of life, and frankly, we have more in common with ID and MT than we do with Western WA.

Posted by: Paul o' The East on November 12, 2006 05:14 PM
3. Paul, all I can say is--get more of your good eastern brethren to register to vote, and then get them to actually vote in greater numbers. Something like that could have helped Dino win in 04. I can totally understand why you guys are unhappy about KC deciding everything for you.

Posted by: Michele on November 12, 2006 05:28 PM
4. Obama will be the next President of the US ... not Clinton.

Okanogan counmty, not Obama county.

Posted by: swassociates on November 12, 2006 05:32 PM
5. but post modernists don't let facts get in the way of their arguments..

Posted by: righton on November 12, 2006 05:53 PM
6. #3: Michele, doin our best. The problem is apathy. So many times we've been foiled, we see the kind of crap pulled on the Dino/Queen race with no accountability, and it happens again with the 20k votes 'found' today, and frankly, we get fed up. Is it the right thing to do? NO, but stupidity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Posted by: Paul o' The East on November 12, 2006 06:02 PM
7. So you mean to tell me that Spokane is in Washington State, and not Idaho?
Who knew???

Posted by: sendpoly on November 12, 2006 06:22 PM
8. Either he didn't go to school in Washington state or they have changed the requirements for graduation. We all had to take a semester of Washington State history and one of the requirements was to memorize the counties. I believe there are 39 of them, if my memory hasn't completely failed me. And, yes, we knew where all of them were in relation to the rest of the state.

Posted by: Clean House on November 12, 2006 06:33 PM
9. Eastern Washington: If you want more attention in politics... GET MORE PEOPLE.

Posted by: Giffy on November 12, 2006 07:16 PM
10. #9 Giffy: WE DON'T WANT NO MORE PEOPLE!!!! We don't want attention in Politics either, we just want to be able to live our lives without the government's intrusion. The laws that are passed in Western WA have little bearing on the good folks in Eastern WA. We like the Seahawks, but could care less if they played in Seattle or in Bellingham. StupidSonics? Let em go, we sure don't want to pay for them! Your Viaduct? DO NOT EVEN GO THERE. 520 Bridge? Make it 10 lanes, and be done with it, just don't ask us to pay for it until you guys pay for a North South corridor over here. We're TIRED of 90 cents of every transportation tax dollar we spend being spent in WESTERN Washington. We still believe that it's a mom and a dad that make the roots of a family and sitting in church on Sunday is a good thing.

Maybe the folks in Seattle think the government should pay for sex changes under Medicaid, but it's ONLY THERE IN SEATTLE that belief is held. Over here, we think Medicaid dollars should be spent as a hand up, not a hand out.

Over here, we value our peace and quiet and know how to be good stewards of the land - we don't need to be legislated from Olympia where 2/3'rds of our legislature couldn't find Chewelah on a map to save their soul from hell.

Just my 2 cents worth...

Posted by: Paul o' The East on November 12, 2006 07:39 PM
11. I haven't quite decided if the fact that an Editorial Page EDITOR of the Seattle Times doesn't know where the county with the largest land area in the State is located is:

[1] Hilarious.
[2] Pathetic.
[3] Both.

Posted by: Methow Ken on November 12, 2006 09:50 PM
12. Hey Michele,

I'm a Progressive from Tacoma and I happpen to know enough about Eastern Washington to know that WSU is in Pullman AND Spokane.

http://www.spokane.wsu.edu/

WSU is also in Port Angeles, Puyallup and a bunch of other places.
http://jefferson.wsu.edu/learning/partners.html
http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/

Posted by: me on November 12, 2006 10:09 PM
13. #7 Not only is Spokane in Washington the head of the state senate is from Spokane and SHE"S a LIBERAL!

HA!


Posted by: me on November 12, 2006 10:15 PM
14. me: and UW has a campus in Bothell. But you as a liberal and I know that when people talk about UW, they aren't thinking "Bothell." Your point isn't that useful.

Posted by: Michele on November 12, 2006 10:48 PM
15. Paul,

I can tell you're from Eastern Washington, because you're a bit behind the times. But that's OK, I'm here to help. It's not Patty "Tennis Shoe" Murray; that was several elections ago. She's now Patty "Osama the Day-Care Provider" Murray.

Happy to help! And sorry, so sorry, that we* on the west side have saddled the state with such lamentable officeholders.

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*That's not me personally, please understand. I can and do vote for Democrats when they're certifiable Good Guys™ like Sonntag, or even Norm Dicks when his Republican sacrificial opponent is an anti-war ranter. But in the general course of things, no.

Posted by: Kirk Parker on November 12, 2006 11:33 PM
16. #15: Kirk: Thanks for the update! Since she's 'your' senator (meaning the west side's), I really don't follow her status that much. I say she's not 'our' senator because WE NEVER SEE HER!

Posted by: Paul o' The East on November 13, 2006 06:16 AM
17. Heck Michele, most westsiders think WSU is in Seattle!

No surpize though since so many don't even come from the west and think think the evergreen nature extends throughout the state.

Posted by: deadwood on November 13, 2006 06:49 AM
18. I have to say you're lucky, Paul. I was raised on the right side of the state, but now reside in Seattle. Can't wait to get back...

Posted by: Tammie on November 13, 2006 11:33 AM
19. If Seattle is the center of Washington state then Okanagon County is clearly in the northeast.

For most people that live in Seattle, the above statement is true.

Posted by: Leonson on November 13, 2006 02:51 PM
20. Okanogan County also borders Canada.
Just so you know...

Posted by: Pete on November 13, 2006 04:58 PM
21. Vesely's Okanogan statement reveals what many know to be true about journalists from his generation: most hung out in college to avoid the draft in the 60s, earning worthless diplomas just for showing up. I doubt Vesely was even required to take geography. Journalism has been the basket-weaving major of slackers since the 60s.

Posted by: Organization Man on November 13, 2006 06:57 PM
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