November 09, 2006
Who was that masked man?

UPDATE: I posted the item below from the election night party at the Bellevue Hyatt. I don't really know what to make of it. King County Elections spokeswoman Bobbie Egan posted a comment yesterday suggesting that some of the details might be incorrect. Party observers and King County Elections are investigating the alleged incident. I do appreciate Bobbie being proactive in communicating with our readers. One of the biggest problems with KC Elections in the Dean Logan era was inadequate responses to the public's legitimate concerns -- whether those concerns pointed to genuine problems or were attributable to mere misunderstandings. Bobbie's comment here is a welcome improvement in public outreach

I heard a story from an informed source that someone walked into a polling place in Bellevue and stuffed a bunch of "flood ballots" into an Accuvote. They have lawyers looking into this.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at November 09, 2006 10:35 AM | Email This
1. What is a "flood ballot"? Is it a ballot that was counted late because of the flood?

Posted by: Peggy U on November 8, 2006 12:33 AM
2. Sounds like ACORN (or some other democrat fraud group) is at it again. If they don't clean this one up, it will get ugly.

Posted by: Michele on November 8, 2006 12:38 AM
3. Listen. You'll all feel much better after you put the aluminum foil on your heads. It's easy. try it, you'll like it.


Posted by: The Ump on November 8, 2006 12:58 AM
4. was it Dean Logan making a cameo & signing autographs?

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on November 8, 2006 05:22 AM
5. I heard the normal dips on the radio encouraging people to add a provisional flood ballot....sounds like fraud to me (for some of them)

Posted by: righton on November 8, 2006 06:31 AM
6. My best guess is Tim Eyman.

Posted by: Gerald on November 8, 2006 06:32 AM
7. Guppy, Guppy Guppy;
I know the bad weather means you have more windmills to tilt at, obvious to every one but you, this was a Tidal wave.

Captain Snarkansky of the Poseidan.
"WTF is that coming our way?

Is judge Bridges in Chelan still available, to show you the only cheaters you ever find are for the GOP?

You now get the "nom de plume" that Mr Cynical received.......Mr. Irrelevant.

You too never get it, that you need to talk about the positives that the GOP bring to the average guy. I know it must be tough to find anything really to work with from them, but that's the point.

If there is nothing good coming out of these guys, then it's time to change. Winning elections by fear alone doesn't work anymore. The American people can not be distracted anymore. They see the man behind the curtain, and he is Scr*wing them every chance he gets.

Any chance that you might start with a little Critical thinking?

Did you repent for the false witness that you bear on Yom Kippur?

Or are you just planning on being one of the converted when your pals all rapture up?
Were you promised something in the neighborhood of 72 virgins?

Just be nicer to Mrs Shark, tell her you want more than Donna Reed as a partner. Then and only then will you find enjoyment in THIS lifetime.

Posted by: danw on November 8, 2006 08:21 AM
8. The proper response here is to talk about this a bit on a few SP threads.

Posted by: Jericho on November 8, 2006 08:45 AM
9. Wow, danw, if the people who took control are anything like you, you can kiss your friends bye bye in 2008 for certain. Try to show a little better class in victory -- if that's possible.

Posted by: ferrous on November 8, 2006 09:09 AM
10. Danw:
Congratulations. Not on the election results, but for proving yourself, on the morning of victory, to still be a foul-mouthed, personally insulting, less than crital thinking liberal, rather than a gracious winner.

Posted by: katomar on November 8, 2006 09:12 AM
11. DanW,

you still smarting over Gregoires' stealing of 04?

its funny, only on the leftie side does 1 out of 3 mean a win.

Posted by: Lauri on November 8, 2006 09:34 AM
12. Congratulations, Stefan, the complaint you posted on SP about the "robo-call" you got from Gov. Gregoire was used by the right-wing MSM critics at the NewsBusters website to counter the criticism about all the robo-calls flooding Democratic callers in key states that several news organizations reported on. They used your example as proof the Dems are just as bad yet that goes unreported by the MSM. Boo hoo, they just pick on Republicans like always.

Problem was that the "robo-calls" the MSM was reporting on were calls designed to repeat dial if you hung up and often came in the middle of the night and were designed to sound like they came from Democrats while Gregoire's call, while unsolicited and annoying, came during the allowed hours for these calls and she identified herself. The calls the MSM spotlighted tied up phone lines, infuriated the victim, and was designed to make them think that Democrats were responsible. They were illegal and unquestionably a dirty campaign trick - something that's found overwhelmingly in the Republican campaign tool chest.

The myth propagated by Republicans that they represent "family values" is one of the great jokes of our day - kind of like The Contract On, er, I mean, With America. I celebrate that Americans have finally realized that but I'm holding the champagne until the subpoenas are issued.

Posted by: Johnbo on November 8, 2006 10:01 AM
13. You see Lauri;
That is exactly the Windmills that I am talking about. You still think because of his snarkiness misleading writings that our governors election was a best 2 out of 3.
That election followed exactly the way the LAW said it should.
Snarky made you believe that there was some sort of laws broken by doing the proper procedures in a close election. Then even when a republican judge in a republican county couldn't find any illegal activity except by REPUBLICANS. You think the guppy would move on. But no he works like Goebbels, just keeps repeating the same lie, over and over again until it becomes truth to the minions.

But it's not.

Do we need to tell George "Maccaca" Allen to just give his concession speech now?

No, the law allows for recounts in Virginia and Washington.

So this is what I mean, that you need to be a critical thinker, versus a party hack. Just like this captain of The Poseidan here. Even when the whole country showed their unhappiness with the corruption and the war, the guppy sees voter fraud. If there was voter fraud, do you think Reichart would even be close?
Critical Thinking, not what this guy tells you what to think.

Posted by: danw on November 8, 2006 11:01 AM
14. Here's a word for you to look up danw: "gracious". Give it a try.

Posted by: Peggy U on November 8, 2006 01:15 PM
15. A "flood ballot" is essentially a paper copy print out of a "sample ballot" Web page. Voters stranded at home on Election Day were told to use the King County Elections' Web site to create, print and vote on a print-out of the candidates and races they are qualified to vote on.

See for yourself at

"Flood ballots" received will be treated in the same way a provisional ballot is treated, but segregated and sent to the Canvassing Board who will decide if these ballots will be counted.

There is no way for ballot tabulation equipment to count a simple Web page. Only a ballot, properly programmed for the specific election by King County Elections could be read by the equipment.

King County has launched an investigation in response to the alleged claim.

Posted by: Bobbie Egan on November 8, 2006 08:17 PM
16. Congratulations. Not on the election results, but for proving yourself, on the morning of victory, to still be a foul-mouthed, personally insulting, less than crital thinking liberal, rather than a gracious winner.

To think...we used to excuse their classlessness because they had lost...

Posted by: South County on November 9, 2006 10:40 AM
17. "Listen. You'll all feel much better after you put the aluminum foil on your heads. It's easy. try it, you'll like it.


No thanks. You keep your tin foil hat. You're gonna need it in 08.

Posted by: pbj on November 9, 2006 10:45 AM
18. Amen,

And King County would also do well to go out of its way to explain why counting is taking so long. There are many other cities and states that are more densely populated and that also have absentee mail programs. The number of people affected by flooding was relatively small as most of the flooded areas were rural.

If King County ever wants to fully regain voter trust, they not only need to be more open, but they need to have at least one major election counted quickly. What were all the million dollar blue ribbon commissions for if not to generate an accurate and timely result?

It's unbelievable that King County is simultaneously the location of the world's largest software company, and one of the most inept technologically with respect to elections. But that's a good showcase of the difference between productive enterprise and the societal overhead of government.

Posted by: Jeff B. on November 9, 2006 10:46 AM
19. But Ms. Egan, how do you know the heavily biased canvassing board won't just count questionable ones just to get the results they want? They counted a stray mark as a vote last time, for what must've been highly partisan reasons. It was outrageous.

We also insist that illegal ballot counting such as we saw last time when KCE counted illegal fatal pends at the insistence of a group (ACORN) associated with vote fraud not happen this time around.

Posted by: Misty on November 9, 2006 10:50 AM
20. danw,

This thread was specifically about 'flood ballots' and a possible lack of security pertaining to them in Bellevue.

You've posted nothing but unrelated trash, and you've shown yourself (once again) to be an uneducated hack with a lack of respect and tack, and absolutely no grace.

You think this lack of ballot security is 'tilting at windmills'? Then how do you explain the fact that Bobbie Egan took the time to comment here and that King County Elections is looking into the matter? Methinks this renders your opinion moot - so hypothetical as to be meaningless.

Perhaps you'd like to explain to Ms Egan your opinion that ensuring ballot security is 'tilting at windmills'? I suspect that even she would have to disagree with you.

What have you added to the conversation? Nothing. What is the response of King County? They launched an investigation. If you've a problem with this, perhaps you should write your usual garbage to Ron Sims and spare us your incomprehensible logic and poor grammar and spelling.

Posted by: Larry on November 9, 2006 11:26 AM
21. Stefan, what is a "story from an informed source"? A "first-hand report from a reliable source" would mean someone whom you have reason to trust actually saw something. But a "story from an informed source" could be a fifth-hand report from anyone. I heard a story from an informed source that aliens landed in New Mexico, but I don't go around repeating it.

Or are bloggers exempt from any standards of truthfulness?

Posted by: Bruce on November 9, 2006 11:29 AM
22. Thanks to all of you liberals out there for further wussifying this great land of our. I hope that I never reach a point where I'm voting against someone based on my prejudice rather voting for someone based on their ideas.

Still waiting to hear some of these great liberal ideas...Buhler...Buhler...Buhler...

Posted by: Jeffro on November 9, 2006 12:12 PM
23. Tell me Bruce, is the source in post 15 informed enough to suit your standards? It appears that KC Elections is taking it seriously. What's your rationale to disregard it?

Posted by: ajopalm on November 9, 2006 12:19 PM
24. Bruce,

"I heard a story from an informed source that aliens landed in New Mexico, but I don't go around repeating it."

Until now? You just claimed you don't repeat it while repeating it. Are your standards of truthfulness always this....contradictory?

Posted by: Larry on November 9, 2006 12:35 PM
25. I'm sure it's just a coincidence. On the SoS sight, the King County "precincts reporting" and "ballots counted" boxes are blank. They weren't earlier today and there is no update scheduled for another three hours or so.

Of all the counties for a little glitch to happen to....

Posted by: SouthernRoots on November 9, 2006 03:39 PM
26. Let's not jump to conclusions. There is no evidence to suggest the alleged ballot stuffer was democrat or republican. What we should really be discussing is how to change an ethic in this country where winning at any cost has become acceptable. It's shameful to think that a slew of ballots may be thrown out as a result of this action. It's unamerican for someone to manipulate the vote - and disenfranchise other honest voters in the process. We need change and it needs to come in the form of agreement among us all. The first step is admitting there is a problem.

Posted by: Chas on November 9, 2006 11:47 PM
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