November 02, 2006
Mail Ballot Horror Show (XXV): Partisan gamesmanship
This blog, June 22:
The original pressure [for King County to switch to mail-only voting] reportedly came from Maria Cantwell. She is said to be "very concerned" about mail-only voting in the rest of the state, believing that if people in Republican-leaning counties get ballots sent to them they will be more likely to vote, and she wants King County voters to have ballots sent to them too.
The P-I, November 2
The Cantwell strategist acknowledged that ... since all-mail voting produces a higher turnout, "it would help us if King County were to vote by mail."
Of course back in June the Democrats on the King County Council vigorously denied
they had any partisan motivation for forcing everybody to vote by mail.
They want King County to vote entirely by mail because other counties do. Better if none did.
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at November 02, 2006
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1. After all the problems with mail in ballots I can't see why all the counties don't switch back to going to the polls.
2. For what it's worth, this post is dated November 3rd... but it's only the 2nd today.
I do not like COMPULSORY, FORCED all mail balloting. I like voting at the polls.
What is ludicrous are the "news" stories going on right now about the "increase" in mail balloting, as if it was a "choice" made by the voters.
The Snohomish County council forced the whole county into all mail balloting. Those of us that wanted "choice" were not given "choice".
There are online polls asking, "Will you be voting absentee?". They'll get 99.99% "Yes" response from SnoCo voters.
Unlike voting in polls where you put your ballot in a scanner and it accepts or rejects it, in the current voting method, there are only two things I will "know" about my ballot:
1. They received it.
2. I did not receive notification of a problem with my signature.
I will never know whether my ballot was actually counted or my votes were actually tallied due to some error I may have made, or if the intent of my vote ended up being divined by someone that doesn't know me.
My preference? Polling places where you show ID and sign the poll book. Polling places that have ballot scanners that tell you if you've done something improper on your ballot before it goes into the "anonymous ballot universe".
We must always have a level of trust in the government that they will handle our votes properly, I would just like to have as few steps as possible to have to trust them on.
Oh Stefan, Stefan, Stefan... How cute of everyone to think that voter turnout increases with vote by mail. Initially yes. Here's what an expert says (in the Oregonian [yeah, I know, I was shocked too]:
"Vote-by-mail is a bad idea," said Curtis Gans, director of American University's Center for the Study of the American Electorate. "It doesn't help turnout. It can lead to fraud."
To which Oregonians add "no duh."
Oh but there's more. Now Oregon is "leading the nation" [a statewide preoccupation]in VOTE BY PHONE. Expect Fraudularity to Ensue. Here are the deets: http://victoriataftkpam.blogspot.com/2006/10/vote-by-phone-expanded-in-oregon.html
5. To repeat: I want a purple finger.
Yes, at a polling place. With ID. and MY signature. Duly noted by polling place PEOPLE who actually are neighbors and often know me even without my ID.
Why am I not surpised
I did not receive an absentee ballot for the Nov 2006 election
Cantwell plays fast and lose
I didn't get what the guppy was up to until now.
That's what it's been all about all the time. Less people voting better for Republicans, because their ideas suck.
Guppy did you get down to Florida, and keep that thing from voting in the wrong area?
Let's get her disefranchised, because she broke the law. She should never be able to vote again.
I think that's the law Jeb Bush passed down there. No Ex felons can ever vote again, nice way to bring them back into soceity.
Do you guys do ANYTHING that is good for the whole country?
What really frosts my bottom is the excuse counties like mine used to shove all-mail voting up our.... It costs too much to maintain polling locations.
The commissioners in my county claimed it cost 750,000 per election and less than 50% of the voters voted at the polls. YET, they have no trouble at all rubber stamping "EMERGENCY" elections in the spring or fall for tax increases for schools or municipalities knowing full well the turnout will be low enough union members and affected beneficiaries can sway the outcome.
9. Danw, could you make another pass at that. I'd like to know what you're talking about. I'm not sure if it's me or you that's confused.
10. Danw, one thing the Republicans have done good for this country is provide this blog. It gives you a place to spout off so the rest of the country doesn't have to put up with your verbal flatulence.
I think they are talking about Ann Coulter. The Democrats in Florida, under pressure from left wing whack jobs, are going after her. They tried it with Limbaugh (as if you and I live for his every word) and now Coulter. Apparently, there is question about whether she voted in the right precinct or not. If not, the Democrats in Florida were going to jail her for five years and assess the maximum fine. They called it voter fraud. I don't know the real particulars but they think she lived in one precinct and she voted in another.
In Florida, that is not okay, but in DeanRon land, it is okay. Another Jimy Hatloe moment.
12. Well, DanW, you seem to disagree with Chairman Dean. He was trying to make out that Repulicans are lazy. Now you are saying Democrats are too damn lazy to get off their stuck-in-front-of-the-TV behinds to vote. And these are the people that you want to make decisions for this country! And as all the evidence shows, long term, they don't get away from all their very important activities to vote even when it turns up in their mail.
So Sam Reed thinks that this is the "best" system? Maybe Sam Reed should take a reality pill. This King County mess from The Cascadia Report yesterday:
November 01, 2006
One Seattle voter, two elections, four ballots
The Seattle area is still having trouble running glitch-free elections -- at least if this experience is an indication.
Before the primary election in September I received two ballots, one each at both my current and old addresses. The ballot at my current address included instructions to ignore the extra one. It seemed a sign that King County's well-publicized problems holding a vote had been fixed.
Then, this week, I received two ballots for the general election, at the same two addresses. But now the current and old addresses were switched, with the ballot at the old address instructing me to ignore the one sent to my correct address. I also received two new voter-registration cards with wrong information. When I called the elections department to correct the error, I was told that someone had switched my information again, and they have no record of my current address -- just the old one.
Mistakes can always happen and surely the people at the elections department are doing their best. Regardless, it seems we need to brace for more reports of election mix-ups that may mar the outcome of close races.
Check out this article, because it looks like Washington State is the last state in the Union that reports final absentee numbers. Wow! You thought it was bad when Gregiore and Rossi fought it out. Imagine when the whole country hinges on Washington State. It could happen.... heck, it could happen in the Darcy Burner/Reichert race.
danw - you really should know better than to put plastic bags over your head. It makes you even more dimwitted than usual (which isn't saying much for someone whose IQ matches his shoe size).
Stefan (and conservatives in general) are in favor of suppressing illegal voters. Not independent voters, not even Dhimmicrat voters. Just ILLEGAL voters.
Pull your head out...
17. but alphabet soup if we conservatives supress the illegal vote how can the liberals win? It just isn't fair!
18. Looking in the mirror? Electoral inequity? SHRIEK! Ha ha ha. It's ok elsewhere and a shock in Washington? Ha ha ha. Lick your stamps farmers, and remember you go to hell if you don't vote Red. Ha ha ha. Draw-a-straw-ocracy.
19. Way to out 'em, Stefan!
20. What you can do is put yourself as a write in candidate for some unopposed judgeship. Then you should be able to find your name tallied in the 'complete' recap of that race. If they accidentally count all the ballots.
21. I'm confused. SoundPolitics has repeatedly told us that voting by mail doesnot increase turnout, but today, Mike! and another Republican official told us that King County will have a lower turnout because it does not vote entirely by mail! My head hurts! I rely on SP and Mike! to give me the gospel truth, but today they contradict! I cannot decide, because both always claim to always be right all of the time, and I cannot decide for myself. Please declare yourselves to be right, and end my headache! It means contradicting Mike!, but only one of you can be Right, right?
I have a question related to voting, but not absentee voting. Just don't know where to put it. Anyway...
I'm feeling nervous about provisional voting. It just occurred to me that if the Dems bus hundreds or thousands from a safe district like McDermott's to go vote in the 8th as a provisional, does this mean Burner could get elected because of provisional balloting? The thought of that happening scares the crap out of me. Please, someone tell me that isn't possible in provisional voting!!!