October 31, 2006
McGavick on Kerry
Mike McGavick issued an excellent statement on John Kerry's massive fumble, and Maria Cantwell's not so surprisingly vague and dodgy statement. Thanks to Kerry being in town today for a Cantwell fundraiser, McGavick's statement got some well-deserved national coverage.
The truly amazing, though not terribly surprising, outcome of this series of events is the tone deaf John Kerry made the situation worse than his original blooper with his defensive rebuttals today.
Mike McGavick, like every Republican in a close race across the country, should latch on to this story, and demand a full response from their opponent, every day until the Election if necessary. John McCain, the same fellow who toyed with joining John Kerry on a fusion ticket in 2004, continues to pound away on Kerry, even after Kerry's muffed attempt to respond.
Mr. Kerry, thank you for taking control of the news cycle. God bless you, sir.
UPDATE: Patrick Bell points out a follow-up press release from Mike McGavick, pressing Cantwell rather forcefully to actually speak to Kerry's remarks instead of continuing to obfuscate.
Posted by Eric Earling at October 31, 2006
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Drudge reports that an Iowa democrat congressional candidate has cancelled an event with Kerry for later this week because of this.
Kerry has a very long-term, ingrained strange habit of bashing troops. I just don't get it. It's kind of like Ted Kennedy, who strangely can't seem to stop talking about water and water themes (even naming his dog Splash).
I have two words for you:
"What is good for Mike, has not been good for the People of Washington"
Bye bye Mike....
3. John Kerry is an arrogant, elitist prick who simply cannot hide his contempt for the "little people" create to serve him & his ilk.
Cantwell, by her statement, is cut out of the same mold.
Kerry had to marry into money.
Cantwell was made by Rob Glaser and is a Jerry Springer-campaign aid who seems incapable of keeping her legs shut when she gets drunk with power.
Perhaps a Jerry Springer show starring:
We'll call the Episode "Maria, I wouldn't want to be ya!"
Cantwell will duck.
Just like her campaign's use of the fact that McGavick laid off 1,700 workers when he went to Safeco. Well, amazingly enough Safeco is still here, he made hard decisions that turned the company around.
Whereas Cantwell's experience at Real Networks is sketchy at best. Mostly just riding out a surging stock and a gift from her political buddies. Of course she apparently had to use some of those stock option gains to pay off her paramour's debts.
Cantwell isn't likely to stand up and say anything. She doesn't want to say anything against high party officials.
5. What, el, you mean it would've been better if a large local company like Safeco would have just gone under instead of being put on solid footing by McGavick. You would rather all those thousands of people had just lost their jobs? sorry, but THAT would not be good for this state. Safeco pays a heck of a lot of B&O tax. What would Christine Gregoire do without all of that state tax revenue? Start her own insurance company? (now that would be fun to watch)
6. Carpe Diem ! To Mike McGavick - Illegitimi non-carborundum
No Michele, my comment was about ad effectiveness. After that ad the race was over. (If there ever was one)
On your point, I think you forgot that he got $4,000,000 in bonuses and a $28,000,000 golden parachute. Those are the salaries of 640 people at 50k a years. Believe me, no employee worth that much. And he did not save Safeco.
8. el - I have fourteen words for you: Karl Rove!
9. Yes, Soup you are right.
It is the first time I have been on that side of the deal. I feel guilty and dirty but somewhat satisfied....
But of course little Mike was never a war hero.
10. el, Maria made millions in stock options and we didn't hear you complain about that, now did we? And yes, Mike DID put that ship to right. What exactly did Cantwell do for RealNetworks on that same magnitude? We'd love to know.
11. El @9: Neither was John Kerry.
Maria's lack of a backbone is why her performance is so terrible. She had no where to go but up- and no one--- and I mean NO ONE would have lost respect for her for kicking Kerry's butt.
Call me crazy but if I were Camp Cantwell and I wanted to WIN Mike! votes- I would put Kerry's feet to the fire or tell him to get out of town- Maria already has more cash on hand than she can spend in this campaign. This was a bad move in any language.
She instead runs a bunch of radio commercials about pinning a purple heart on a soldier. Question: Was she mocking him and reciting the alphabet to him while she did it? Then why not denounce Kerry's foot-in-mouth disease?
Maybe the name of Max Cleland (or even John McCain) sounds familiar to you?
And I still chose Kerry to be on my side in a battle field over any of the usual chickenhawks in the Bush administration (specially Chenney, that guy is also dangerous with weapons)
Go ahead make your ad.
It is not like as a Republican you are hold in higher standards.
while you are correct that 640 x 50k equals 32 million you are not looking at the cost of employing 640 people. The building, heating, water, lights, insurance, health care, social security taxes, etc. are all costs that need to be added to each of those wonderful salaries you think McGavick cut people out of.
Now you can vilify McGavick all you want, but he saved Safeco and kept many more employees employed.
Being able to lead, learn, and making hard decisions is something that leaders have to do. Cantwell is anything but a leader, she has had handlers throughout her political career to keep her on task, she had someone grant her a ton of money to aid her political career, she has done nothing except be an echo vote for the democratic leadership. Her relationship with Dotzauer, romantic, financial and professional is disturbing.
Latch on indeed! His press release
tonight asking for something better than her "non-statment statement" is terrific!
If this helps swing to the election in Republican favor, John Kerry will have cemented his legacy as the poster-boy for elections gone wrong!
16. el, What is it that Maria did for RealNetworks that was big? I didn't see a response from you on that. I wondered if you had a problem with her millions in stock options? What was your feeling on that? What was her accomplishment at RealNetworks that earned all those millions in stock options?
Fun quote from an apparently anonymous democrat congressman: "I guess Kerry wasn't content blowing 2004; now I guess he wants to blow 2006, too."
Ok, a 100 people, McGavick is not worth that.
And those were bonuses, not even his salary.
And he did not save Safeco.
... that reminds me, Cantwell was not firing people around when she got her big bucks.
McGavick is past history. He is a goner (like Rossi), so I am not going to keep wasting my time talking about him. Have a nice election.... At least until the vote counts start coming back.
19. so el, you don't have anything to mention as far as what Cantwell did at RealNetworks that was super-noteworthy? And sounds like you're fine that she got millions in stock options? (I'm fine with it; don't see that she did much for it, but if they want to give it to her, why shouldn't they?)
Wow Eric. Can't you even tell that Kerry was making fun of Bush, our pathelogical liar of a President? And don't you think the troops who are in Iraq are SICK of Bush as much as Kerry and the rest of this country, minus the hard core kool aid drinker Neo-Cons like you?
You Neo-Cons are afraid of gay couples. How can you be trusted to fight the terrorists? It's no wonder your party has been such a failure at this fiasco of a war.
Good bye Mike. Good bye Rubber Stamp Dave.
21. So, Jerry... when you're proven wrong about, say, one of your little playground style predictions... do you promise to pour a gallon of gasoline on yourself and light it?
Mike has the charisma and power to truly call Cantwell on Kerry's latest "Teresa" moment....
Because Kerry was in Washington state when he tried to spin this tremendous troop insult...Mike has license to demand Cantwell clarify her position on this.
But...Mike McGavick doesn't really have to do anything on this one....Kerry pretty much revealed the anti-US Military feelings of his entire Democratic party.......again.
People are just so sick of the anti-US crap...and especially the anti-troop sentiment of the liberals.. The liberals ARE the Democrat party - there's just no hiding that fact anymore.
Oh Michele I think I did talk about that:
18. "... that reminds me, Cantwell was not firing people around when she got her big bucks."
Ok, as I said, have a nice election, and I will be back next Tuesday night to read your comments about the results. See you then.
24. "Mike McGavick, like every Republican in a close race across the country, should latch on to this story, and..."
Um...since when was this a close race? From the get go, Maria has been leading at least 15 points. You guys should focus your misguided indignation on Darcy Burner--> she is only beating her opponent by TWO points in the polls. Bye Mike, Bye Dave, Bye Republican majority. There is a reason why, before Repubs held Congress for 12 years, that dems held it for FORTY. Because when the Republicans get a tiny taste of power, they sell the country out. The American people are not fools, and you guys are now going to get what you deserve
John Kerry thinks our troops are idiots eh? Well he isn't one to cast aspertions. He was bested in college by George W Bush who got better marks in college than Kerry.
Cantwell won't denounce the slur against our troops. What else can one expect of someone who voted against holding the enemy accountable? You can tell a low about Cantwell by the company she keeps. I am glad I voted for McGavick.
Even the national GOP has abandoned Mike ... the only guess is how badly he will lose ... no way can he climb out of the hole he is in. HIS hole, HIS smelly hole.
King Couty will deliver tons of votes to Maria, the imperfect Democrat.
Washington right wingers out of luck one more time, hard life to be a screwed up conservative in the New Peoples Republic of Washington.
Interestingly, younger voters are the most bitter about the Republicans, their future has been washed away in the looting of America. Low wage jobs, hard to get to college and then paying the bill --- how very bleak from all you bogus familly supporters.
And what prowess Cheney/Rummy have shown in their war skills. A train wreck after two good months.
The worst, absolutely the worst. Shame, shame ... and they wrap themselves in the flag. Shame.
But wait, Bush can't fire Rummy, Cheny and Elder Bush won't let him. Rummy is the ace for when they annouce marial law and the dictatorahip ---
Time to save democracy and our Republic from the evil right wing.
Hanoi Jane. Hanoi John. Nothing is new, merely recycled. He's back in the political tub--complete with hot water & swift boat.
(true to party, arrogantly, finger waving & pointing into TV camera:) "I-will-not-apologize-for-that-comment!"
28. So according to John Kerry if young people are lazy and stupid they end up in Iraq. I guess we understand now why he went to Viet Nam and George Bush didn't.
I see the GOP is being intentally stupid. You KNOW Kerry misspoke - you don't give a damn about the truth.
"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
It was a slip of the tongue. He intended it to be a remark critical of Bush:
"...You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."
He has said the joke several times before, this time he screwed it up. It's not "February 30th"
W misspeaks on a daily basis. Are you really that stupid to think Kerry intended to say what you "think he said?
But what do the facts or logic matter in a classic Right Wing hissy fit.
Robert, if he misspoke, then he should have apologized to the troops. However, based on his past history of negativity toward the military, I would consider it a "Freudian Slip". Remember his testimony before Congress during Vietnam?
"They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam..."
Or, in talking to Bob Shieffer about the Soldiers in Iraq:
"And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the � of � the historical customs, religious customs"
He has a history of denigrating the military, so excuse me if I don't take his "explanation" at face value.
- Mike! is in a "close race"??? WTF? He's losing by double digits. The only race that is close is whether he'll lose by more or less than Nethercutt did in 2004. I'm betting George ends up doing better then than Mike! will now!
- And, if it was a botched joke, Sir John really ought to be more careful about his jokes. After all, W went to the same college he Kerry did, and W got better grades, so John really shouldn't be making jokes about W's education.
- Telling the Truth, whether about Dems or Repubs.
"- Mike! is in a "close race"??? WTF? He's losing by double digits."
You must have missed the latest poll. The October 31 Zogby/Wall Street Journal Poll has the race 50% Cantwell and 46.1% McGavick. That is certainly a lot closer than "double digits".
He misspoke. He mad a mistake. He has same the same joke several times before. He screwed it up - it's the simple. But you don't care.
Its not he performed an intentional SKIT mocking the lack of WMDs in Iraq like the sitting President of the United States did in 2004. "Are the WMDs under there. Nope"
Yes, Kerry's damage control team is now saying that he meant to say "...You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq." You go on to claim that "He has said the joke several times before...." I can find no evidence of that, nor has that been claimed by his own people. Care to cite an example? If you can't, you shouldn't make the claim....
If he "misspoke", I have two words:
Curious how the polls suddenly become more accurate as we close in on election day.
I think many on the left will be shocked when they wake up Nov 8th to learn that Maria was not re-elected.
That was not a slipup by Kerry. From the late 60s on he has been driven by a hatred of the military.
Apparently, today, even his best bud, Don Imus, told him to go home and go windsurfing.
I wonder how Cantwell is going to dodge this. After all, his press conference was a prelude to a Cantwell get together.
Irregardless, I hope the whole R contingent milks this and milks this till after election. It is a Michael Dukakis moment.
Robert @33, about that skit: if you're intellectually honest, you'll admit there's a lesson to be learned from the fact that conservatives can laugh at themselves and liberals can't. Liberals, at least those that achieve leadership positions, are so self-absorbed that they're incapable of self deprecating humor.
Which explains why Bush was able to lampoon himself with things like the WMD jokes at the annual press club shindig, and the only humor Clinton could come up with for these events was jokes taking potshots at Rush Limbaugh.
You gotta grow up to lighten up.
39. After this fiasco from Kerry, I think you could say that he is "Stuck on Stupid".
If it was a joke about Bush and he just neglected to insert the word "us" before "stuck in Iraq", well that makes sense. It's easy enough to misspeak, but why didn't he immediately correct himself. And if not then, why didn't he apologize for misspeaking? That would have defused the whole situation.
Besides, that doesn't even make sense as a joke. Think about it, you're speaking to college students trying to motivate them to 'study hard, and get smart' by telling them that if they don't they might end up as President of the US?
(and consequently getting us stuck in Iraq...)
Spare me the lecture on intellectually honesty.
Intellectually honesty? You mean you fail to notice that the President of the United States made a intentional JOKE about the FACT there THERE WERE NO WMDS IN IRAQ after he based an invasion that cost American lives over it? Oh, I see, he's a Republican so you ignore it. And "Bring Up Clinton" when you have a weak argument. Lame. Pathetic.
Intellectually honesty? With all the psycho mumbo jumbo and Kerry Strawman argument made here? Please.
You grow up.
42. Robert: Thank you. You have just confirmed what we all know. John Kerry is too dang stupid to say what he actually means.
43. Question for el and others on the left: why do you insist W never had military experience therefore isn't qualified to lead the military. Yet if history does the speaking, Mr. military democrat JFK brought on the bay of pigs, and the Nam mess. (Oh I know Ike "started" it but JFK and Johnson tied the soldiers hands behind their backs) And the latest hero of the dems, Clinton, has a letter on file saying he "loathed the military" and they used military to serve snacks and drinks at the whitehouse parties. So if that can be overlooked to put a dem in, why can't you get over the fact W was "only a reservist" as opposed to an active duty full timer?
For ever misspoken statement from Kerry I could site a hundred by George W. Bush - most we just laugh off. Kerry shouldn't try to make jokes about Bush - Bush does that all by himself my just opening his mouth off script.
Even Bill O'Reilly knows this is a fake story.
"I don't believe John Kerry meant to demean any American military member. I just don't. I think that fair-minded people know that that would be political suicide for the senator. He wouldn't do it" ("O'Reilly Factor," 10/31).
Maria Cantwell ranks 99 out of 100 (as in bottom of the pile) in terms of her effectiveness as a Senator. In any truly swing state area, such a Senator would be toast. Cantwell needs to go. As much as Darcy's campaign likes to claim that Reichert has done nothing with his two years, he's done vastly more in 2 years than Cantwell has done with her 6!!!!!
I just had an idea. Wouldn't it be great if Reichert ran for Senate against Patty Murray in 4 years?
Just because he "misspoke" doesn't mean he doesn't believe what he said. He has denigrated the military throughout his career. I still say that it is at a minimum a "Freudian Slip".
From Wikipedia "A Freudian slip, or parapraxia, is an error in human action, speech or memory that is believed to be caused by the unconscious mind. Some errors, such as a woman accidentally calling her husband by the name of the man with whom she is cheating on him, seem to represent relatively clear cases of Freudian slips. In other cases, the error might appear to be trivial, bizarre or even nonsensical, but shows some deeper significance on analysis."
Let me elaborate on my remarks just a little. There are only two possible scenarios in this situation:
1) Kerry was not capable of saying what he meant to say, which indicates a deficiency, and he defiantly refused to apologize for any unintended slur of the military, which makes him doubly dumb.
2) Kerry meant what he said.
I vote for the second possibility, considering that Kerry has a very public history, along with the rest of the democratic leadership, of maligning our military, starting with his atrocities testimony in the 70's right through his recent accusations of our military terrorizing women and children in the middle of the night.
I think his disdain and contempt for our military is genuine.
Kerry and his staff are so blinded by BDS that, in their attempt to disparage Bush, they didn't even notice how the comments would be insulting to the troops.
Not smart, not funny, not cool.
Remember Kerry is the face of the Liberal Democratic party,Don't be fooled by the left spin
RUN WITH IT MIKE
We're still waiting for your evidence that Kerry had "told this joke before" and just botched it this one time. Heck, if that's true I'll be happy to cut him a break on it - but I suspect if it were, we would have already seen the footage of it, and his people would be making sure we all knew about it.
If on the other hand there's no evidence, you need to retract your claim...and admit that Kerry blew it big time.
51. Didn't Kerry say this as part of a speech? How do you botch a joke when you are reciting a speech--ESPECIALLY if you have decades experience reciting speeches for a living?
I continually laugh at the looney left that pick on top CEO's over their salaries.
Top CEO's are worth whatever the market will value them at just as top Quarterbacks in the NFL or pitchers in MLB. You pay for them or you wind up the loser - it's that simple.
I can't help but notice that these yo-yos never find fault with the multi-million dollar movie stars that spew their propaganda, and don't seem to mind that most of the dems in the Senate are multi-multi millionaires that often built their wealth investing in companies that sent jobs offshore.
kerry is an idiot b/c he continually says stupid things.
bush is a bigger idiot b/c he is in charge of a failed war and continually says stupid things.
"We do not torture." "bring 'em on." "heavy sound familiar?
hide behind kerry's gaffe and ignore the real, larger issues facing the country.
bush is an incompetent leader of a failed war of choice. if iraq is the central front on the war on terror, then, unfortunately, the war on terror is in jeopardy of being lost.
you have to admit, kerry's comeback was pretty good, referring to chickenhawks like bush/cheney/snow who never served (other than lip service). classic.
dinesh - what is the Dems plan to turn the war around and make us win it and the GWOT? Or is winning in Iraq only a secondary or tertiary consideration?
You and Kerry are pretty lame with the chickenhawk statements. Kerry could really care less. He only approves of those that agree with him, regardless of their service history.
There are veterans that do not agree with Kerry. By his rules (and apparently yours) if he cannot be assailed because of his service, then he cannot assail them for their service, nor their positions.
southern: obviously there are veterans who don't agree with kerry--you are missing the point. the simple point is that bush (i gotta go do a line of blow, so i can't serve), cheney (5x deferrments) and the like are quick to support the troops when they sit in the comfort behind their desks and can order them around. but when push came to shove and they could have served, they did not. period.
as for the dems plan for iraq, they would start with some meaningful oversight. simply by asking questions (e.g., where is all the money going, what about reconstruction efforts, why is there only 4 hours of electricity in baghdad on average per day) and demanding truthful answers, holding people accountable (instead of handing out awards), perhaps we can get some meaningful action. look, iraq is FUBAR, so it is not a partisan issue as to what to do next. the failure to recognize iraq is FUBAR, the absence of accountability, and the soundbite approach to answering the hard questions is a partisan issue and will stop only when the republicans lose the monopoly control over the federal govt.
and, if i may, ask, what is the republican's plan in iraq. after 3.5 years, what is the plan besides "stay the course." that's pathetic.
divided govt works. it serves as a check on the worse tendencies in either party and forces political compromise.
"kerry's comeback was pretty good, referring to chickenhawks like bush/cheney/snow who never served (other than lip service). classic."
I think this "comeback" is totally irrelevant and disengenuous. You don't have to have "served" to be able to point out that what Kerry said was wrong. I would refer to Kerry as a "chickenhawk" since he left his comrades in Vietnam only to come back and denigrate them, however, I think for him you can just shorten it to "chicken".
He was despicable in the 70's when he slandered the soldiers in Vietnam, he was despicable a couple of years ago when he slandered the soldiers in Iraq by saying they terrorized women and children. Why should we be surprised today that he is again denigrating the troops? Whether he "misspoke" or whether he didn't, it seems obvious that he MEANT what he said.
Bill H -
I had to laugh when I read your last line: "Whether he "misspoke" or whether he didn't, it seems obvious that he MEANT what he said." Reminded me of Dan Rather and the phony documentation about Bush's National Guard service: "Even if the documents aren't authentic, we stand by the underlying premise of the story." They still don't get it, do they?
Geez. The nutroots have been unleashed upon us. Haven't seen so many unhinged Kerry apologists for two years.
He didn't 'misspeak'. He was talking to students. He was talking about THEIR education. He insulted our troops. No more spin, please.
McGavick saved a company. He was worth it to all but one of their shareholders.
Cantwell was picked up by ultraleftie Glaser as a favor, a payoff, a method of funneling monies to her to pay for a future candidacy. She has no skills other than her rolodex that would place her at a tech company. She cashed in, and bought her slim 2000 win.
I'm amazed that mouth-foamers like JACKIE @26 admit that King County Elections have whatever votes are needed for them to win, a la Queen Christine.
I also noticed that Robert never came back to defend his statement that "He has same(sic) the same joke several times before."
dinesh @#55 "and, if i may, ask, what is the republican's plan in iraq. after 3.5 years, what is the plan besides "stay the course." that's pathetic."
Since you believe Iraq is "FUBAR",(because CBS, the NYT Times, and CNN tells you so every day), one can only conclude that the only plan you and the left have dinesh, is cut and run.
You gotta admit - sKerry has the kind of "comebacks" that dumba$$es like dinesh get warm and mushy over.
Tells me everything I need to know about dinesh...
62. What's all the fuss about Kerry saying American soldiers are stupid. It's not like he said they murder, rape, attach electric wires to genitals and behave like the hords of Ghengis Khan. Oh wait. He said that also.
I didn't really expect he would...did you?
64. Jackie @ 26
You're a jackass! You're absolutely right though about the People's republic of Washington. Why you idiots in KC keep voting for socialism is beyond me. Have you spread your wealth around today? Did you go and give money to all the lazy asses who won't work? Did you march down to the hospital and donate a large sum of your paycheck so they can give out free healthcare? I have a feeling you've done none of this. You liberals won't do it on your own. No, you feel like you should force all of us to do it. Kinda like we would like to stop all of you from murdering unborn children. Oh, and please don't talk about war skills. Everyone knows what democrats do when confronted by evil. They run away! We don't have a chance in hell of ever winning against terror if people like you are put in charge. Trust me, they won't hold hands and put flowers in their hair and have a sing along with you. I've personally seen what these guys do to people. Maybe if more democrats would grow some huevos and join up then they too could see what evil looks like. Instead of waiting at home while the people who TRUELLY love their country go off to some disgusting third world dump and defend it! Until you've contributed...SHUT UP!