October 21, 2006
Terrorist Detainee Reprise

Discussions at Sound Politics at posts on positions taken by Maria Cantwell and Darcy Burner on the topic of policy toward terrorist detainees drew out of a number of liberal commenters raising objections. In follow-up to their concerns, allow me to point out an op-ed by John Yoo in yesterday's Wall Street Journal. Yoo directly confronts standard liberal arguments against the tribunal bill.

Yoo lays the context:

The new law is, above all, a stinging rebuke to the Supreme Court. It strips the courts of jurisdiction to hear any habeas corpus claim filed by any alien enemy combatant anywhere in the world. It was passed in response to the effort by a five-justice majority in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld to take control over terrorism policy. That majority extended judicial review to Guantanamo Bay, threw the Bush military commissions into doubt, and tried to extend the protections of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions to al Qaeda and Taliban detainees, overturning the traditional understanding that Geneva does not cover terrorists, who are not signatories nor "combatants" in an internal civil war under Article 3.

Yoo further chides the Court majority, and by extension liberals holding to the same position:

Until the Supreme Court began trying to make war policy, the writ of habeas corpus had never been understood to benefit enemy prisoners in war. The U.S. held millions of POWs during World War II, with none permitted to use our civilian courts (except for a few cases of U.S. citizens captured fighting for the Axis).

And on the topic of asserting the jurisdiction of the Executive and Legislative branches over such matters, Yoo ends with a flourish:

This time, Congress and the president did not take the court's power grab lying down. They told the courts, in effect, to get out of the war on terror, stripped them of habeas jurisdiction over alien enemy combatants, and said there was nothing wrong with the military commissions. It is the first time since the New Deal that Congress had so completely divested the courts of power over a category of cases. It is also the first time since the Civil War that Congress saw fit to narrow the court's habeas powers in wartime because it disagreed with its decisions.

The law goes farther. It restores to the president command over the management of the war on terror. It directly reverses Hamdan by making clear that the courts cannot take up the Geneva Conventions. Except for some clearly defined war crimes, whose prosecution would also be up to executive discretion, it leaves interpretation and enforcement of the treaties up to the president. It even forbids courts from relying on foreign or international legal decisions in any decisions involving military commissions.

All this went overlooked during the fight over the bill by the media, which focused on Sens. McCain, Graham and Warner's opposition to the administration's proposals for the use of classified evidence at terrorist trials and permissible interrogation methods. In its eagerness to magnify an intra-GOP squabble, the media mostly ignored the substance of the bill, which gave current and future administrations, whether Democrat or Republican, the powers needed to win this war.

All of the above are policy developments Maria Cantwell voted against, and about which Darcy Burner says she is "ashamed." More importantly, Yoo lays out a compelling case, in follow-up to this Los Angeles Times op-ed decrying the Hamdan decision, that runs contrary to all the liberal mythology surrounding the Court's ruling. Such misunderstanding of the balance of powers seems typical of the liberal base, as seen in Nancy Pelosi's description of the infamous Kelo decision:
"It is a decision of the Supreme Court, so this is almost as if God has spoken."

Not quite. And if I might say so, thank God.

Posted by Eric Earling at October 21, 2006 10:15 AM | Email This
Comments
1. The same John Yoo who argued that there was no law preventing the President from ordering the torture of a child of a suspect in custody, including crushing the child's testicles? Great authority on the subject... (though the Wall Street Journal of Torture certainly has credibility on it).

Posted by: Nancy on October 21, 2006 01:12 PM
2. Score one for real justice. Only in the fantasy world of the left do enemy combatants deserve so much coddling. One has to admire the genius of separate but equal powers.

Posted by: Jeff B. on October 21, 2006 04:49 PM
3. Hi Jeff,

The fantasy world of the "right" isn't much better. In the good old days of WWII, enemy combatants out of uniform were summarily shot. After all it was Bush's plan to let them live, give them a nice place in the carribean, a Koran, an imam, great food, a shower, recreation time, and rock music and let the majority go already. Meanwhile some of our soliders are still facing the death penalty at the hands of the Bush Administration. Apparently, the death penalty is only reserved for the US Military.

Posted by: John McDonald on October 21, 2006 05:09 PM
4. Hey Liberal John, how is your propagandizing going these days? Don't to forget drink plenty of water so your rant will be spittle sprinkled when you are melting down.


Is anyone really surprised anymore at the depths the Democrats will go to help the terrorists? First they want them to have "OJ" trials and now we learn that Democrats have been leaking national intelligence secrets.

But then again, given that their party officials are crooks that violate campaing laws , trade crack cocaine for fraudulent votes and buy off voters to steal elections.

Is there no depth to which they will not sink???

Posted by: pbj on October 21, 2006 06:55 PM
5. Hi fake John. As I've asked before, prove your identity or get the heck out of here.

Posted by: Jeff B. on October 21, 2006 07:44 PM
6. Hi Jeff,

Your comments seems like you are doing well in Totalitarianism 101. What other speech would you like to ban? So what you are saying is you'd rather have our soliders being spit on and having Islamo crap thrown at them then, then trying the terrorists in military court and shooting the guilty.

Sigh, apparently you don't care that our guys in uniform get to face the death penalty but terrorists get to be in club gitmo with a better than 50/50 chance of being let free with no trial.

Posted by: John McDonald on October 21, 2006 09:57 PM
7. funny--
i havent heard many 60-Minutes type stories lately of those crybaby tourist dope criminals caught in other countries--

the whiny liberal stories about the "harsh prison conditions" of the rich tourist kids who VOLUNTAIRLY BROKE THE LAW in other countries--remember those? the tears. the lawyers. the anguished parents. the possible death sentences.

the libs always say that it's the country's soverignty or right or system and we can't interfere. however, the USA is fair game for lib groups like Amnesty Intl.

we don't hear those stories because that would put liberals in a pickle--they would have to be consistent & support OUR laws, OUR rights to soverignty & harsh treatment of crimimals and terrorists, let alone dope dealers on OUR shores.

in short, other countries can enforce their rules, but for some reason we can't and are subject to international scrutiny. example--go ask Putin to change HIS laws. and we're supposed to treat ENEMY COMBATANTS like guests? that's liberal insanity.

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on October 22, 2006 09:43 AM
8. Hi Jimmie -- you getting very close to the truth now. Now just remember, it was not the liberals who came up with the idea of keeping terrorist at a resort in Cuba, it was not liberals who decided to let the majority of them go, it was not liberals who decided to give them imams (some of whom might be traitors), it was Bush and the Republicans that did all this. When Bush created this new type of military/criminal prisoner definition, he basically invited lawyers to challenge the new system. Bush should have adhered to established military law instead of being the stupid frat boy he is and invent a new system. Even though Bush thinks that this is the first time America has ever terrorist or spies think again.

WWII 2 German agents land in the Gulf of Maine, 11/29/44 by Feb 1945 they are tried and convicted and sentenced to hang.

And the history of the other 8 German Nazi terrorist. Total time from arrest to execution ... a few days. Compare this Bush's "War". LOL Why does Bush keep having to remind us we are a war -- cause it doesn't seem like it.
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq114-2.htm

Posted by: John McDonald on October 22, 2006 12:03 PM
9. Oh and I forget to mention ... it was a Democrat who was in the White House. Seems to me the Democrats are tougher on terrorism, as they want the opportunity to try these Islamo facists and execute them instead of letting them go gradually as Bush is doing.

Posted by: John McDonald on October 22, 2006 12:05 PM
10. How come last week a Clinton appointed judge in NY gave such a slap on the wrist sentence to the treasonous lawyer for the original WTC bomber. 28 months for serving as the sheik's messenger to OK the attack which killed dozens of tourists in Egypt. She should have been given the death sentence. This is what happens when you mix fighting wars with the criminal justice system.

Posted by: Steve on October 23, 2006 10:22 AM
11. 'It was two years before the photos emerged from Abu Ghraib, the Pentagon cops said, when they began arguing that coercive or abusive interrogations would not serve war-fighting or justice.


"No. 1, it's not going to work," said Col. Brittain P. Mallow, the commander of the task force from 2002 to 2005.

"No. 2, if it does work, it's not reliable. No. 3, it may not be legal, ethical or moral. No. 4, it's going to hurt you when you have to prosecute these guys. No. 5, sooner or later, all of this stuff is going to come to light, and you're going to be embarrassed."'

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15361458/

Posted by: Nancy on October 23, 2006 07:19 PM
12. No.5 "Sometimes you do what you gotta do" - Col Lingus;

No.6 "War is hell; peace is a b!tch; and liberal~john is a douche" - Albus Dumbledore

No.7 "BFD" - alphabet soup

Posted by: alphabet soup on October 23, 2006 08:55 PM
13. Losing a war is even more of a bitch...

Posted by: Nancy on October 24, 2006 10:06 AM
14. Hi Steve,

I advocated military court, not civilian court.

Posted by: John McDonald on October 28, 2006 08:53 AM
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