Discussions at Sound Politics at posts on positions taken by Maria Cantwell and Darcy Burner on the topic of policy toward terrorist detainees drew out of a number of liberal commenters raising objections. In follow-up to their concerns, allow me to point out an op-ed by John Yoo in yesterday's Wall Street Journal. Yoo directly confronts standard liberal arguments against the tribunal bill.
Yoo lays the context:
The new law is, above all, a stinging rebuke to the Supreme Court. It strips the courts of jurisdiction to hear any habeas corpus claim filed by any alien enemy combatant anywhere in the world. It was passed in response to the effort by a five-justice majority in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld to take control over terrorism policy. That majority extended judicial review to Guantanamo Bay, threw the Bush military commissions into doubt, and tried to extend the protections of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions to al Qaeda and Taliban detainees, overturning the traditional understanding that Geneva does not cover terrorists, who are not signatories nor "combatants" in an internal civil war under Article 3.
Yoo further chides the Court majority, and by extension liberals holding to the same position:
Until the Supreme Court began trying to make war policy, the writ of habeas corpus had never been understood to benefit enemy prisoners in war. The U.S. held millions of POWs during World War II, with none permitted to use our civilian courts (except for a few cases of U.S. citizens captured fighting for the Axis).
And on the topic of asserting the jurisdiction of the Executive and Legislative branches over such matters, Yoo ends with a flourish:
This time, Congress and the president did not take the court's power grab lying down. They told the courts, in effect, to get out of the war on terror, stripped them of habeas jurisdiction over alien enemy combatants, and said there was nothing wrong with the military commissions. It is the first time since the New Deal that Congress had so completely divested the courts of power over a category of cases. It is also the first time since the Civil War that Congress saw fit to narrow the court's habeas powers in wartime because it disagreed with its decisions.The law goes farther. It restores to the president command over the management of the war on terror. It directly reverses Hamdan by making clear that the courts cannot take up the Geneva Conventions. Except for some clearly defined war crimes, whose prosecution would also be up to executive discretion, it leaves interpretation and enforcement of the treaties up to the president. It even forbids courts from relying on foreign or international legal decisions in any decisions involving military commissions.
All this went overlooked during the fight over the bill by the media, which focused on Sens. McCain, Graham and Warner's opposition to the administration's proposals for the use of classified evidence at terrorist trials and permissible interrogation methods. In its eagerness to magnify an intra-GOP squabble, the media mostly ignored the substance of the bill, which gave current and future administrations, whether Democrat or Republican, the powers needed to win this war.
All of the above are policy developments Maria Cantwell voted against, and about which Darcy Burner says she is "ashamed." More importantly, Yoo lays out a compelling case, in follow-up to this Los Angeles Times op-ed decrying the Hamdan decision, that runs contrary to all the liberal mythology surrounding the Court's ruling. Such misunderstanding of the balance of powers seems typical of the liberal base, as seen in Nancy Pelosi's description of the infamous Kelo decision:
"It is a decision of the Supreme Court, so this is almost as if God has spoken."
Not quite. And if I might say so, thank God.
Posted by Eric Earling at October 21, 2006 10:15 AM | Email ThisThe fantasy world of the "right" isn't much better. In the good old days of WWII, enemy combatants out of uniform were summarily shot. After all it was Bush's plan to let them live, give them a nice place in the carribean, a Koran, an imam, great food, a shower, recreation time, and rock music and let the majority go already. Meanwhile some of our soliders are still facing the death penalty at the hands of the Bush Administration. Apparently, the death penalty is only reserved for the US Military.
Posted by: John McDonald on October 21, 2006 05:09 PM
Is anyone really surprised anymore at the depths the Democrats will go to help the terrorists? First they want them to have "OJ" trials and now we learn that Democrats have been leaking national intelligence secrets.
But then again, given that their party officials are crooks that violate campaing laws , trade crack cocaine for fraudulent votes and buy off voters to steal elections.
Is there no depth to which they will not sink???
Posted by: pbj on October 21, 2006 06:55 PMYour comments seems like you are doing well in Totalitarianism 101. What other speech would you like to ban? So what you are saying is you'd rather have our soliders being spit on and having Islamo crap thrown at them then, then trying the terrorists in military court and shooting the guilty.
Sigh, apparently you don't care that our guys in uniform get to face the death penalty but terrorists get to be in club gitmo with a better than 50/50 chance of being let free with no trial.
Posted by: John McDonald on October 21, 2006 09:57 PMthe whiny liberal stories about the "harsh prison conditions" of the rich tourist kids who VOLUNTAIRLY BROKE THE LAW in other countries--remember those? the tears. the lawyers. the anguished parents. the possible death sentences.
the libs always say that it's the country's soverignty or right or system and we can't interfere. however, the USA is fair game for lib groups like Amnesty Intl.
we don't hear those stories because that would put liberals in a pickle--they would have to be consistent & support OUR laws, OUR rights to soverignty & harsh treatment of crimimals and terrorists, let alone dope dealers on OUR shores.
in short, other countries can enforce their rules, but for some reason we can't and are subject to international scrutiny. example--go ask Putin to change HIS laws. and we're supposed to treat ENEMY COMBATANTS like guests? that's liberal insanity.
Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on October 22, 2006 09:43 AMWWII 2 German agents land in the Gulf of Maine, 11/29/44 by Feb 1945 they are tried and convicted and sentenced to hang.
And the history of the other 8 German Nazi terrorist. Total time from arrest to execution ... a few days. Compare this Bush's "War". LOL Why does Bush keep having to remind us we are a war -- cause it doesn't seem like it.
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq114-2.htm
"No. 1, it's not going to work," said Col. Brittain P. Mallow, the commander of the task force from 2002 to 2005.
"No. 2, if it does work, it's not reliable. No. 3, it may not be legal, ethical or moral. No. 4, it's going to hurt you when you have to prosecute these guys. No. 5, sooner or later, all of this stuff is going to come to light, and you're going to be embarrassed."'
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15361458/
Posted by: Nancy on October 23, 2006 07:19 PMNo.6 "War is hell; peace is a b!tch; and liberal~john is a douche" - Albus Dumbledore
No.7 "BFD" - alphabet soup
Posted by: alphabet soup on October 23, 2006 08:55 PMI advocated military court, not civilian court.
Posted by: John McDonald on October 28, 2006 08:53 AM