September 21, 2006
But he'll try to dig it anyway

Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels, March 6, 2006: "Nickels supports public vote on viaduct"

Nickels, who is pushing hard for a tunnel, said he welcomes a public vote. "We'll go out in November and ask what the citizens think. They'll say no to the Big Ugly, and vote to do it right."
September 21, 2006 "After higher cost estimates, Nickels opposes advisory vote"
Nickels reversed his previous position and said he doesn't want an advisory public referendum on the options. The new numbers create too much confusion, he said.
Read: Nickels has finally realized that the voters are smart enough to vote against his atrociously expensive Big Dig Boondoggle.

As Councilman Nick Licata puts it:

"[Nickels] doesn't want a vote because the tunnel is going to go down in flames."

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at September 21, 2006 11:22 AM | Email This
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1. Confusion = reveal the truth

Posted by: JCM on September 21, 2006 11:10 AM
2. And all his henchpeople on the council and in the governor's mansion will go along lockstep with his proposal.

He will not make the decision until after this election also, I noted, as to not p off voters any more than they already are on their 5 billion dolar (and rising) Big dig. It has risen 25% this year alone before even a shovel of dirt has been dug. Do the math, and it will cost easily over 10 billion before (if ever) it is built.

This goose will land easily before the next election, and anyone who signed up for it aught to be sent walking.

Remember in November, the arogance of these folks.

Posted by: GS on September 21, 2006 11:25 AM
3. They run polling before changing their minds. File a FOIA request.

Posted by: Al on September 21, 2006 11:33 AM
4. Doing a quick calculation: The Big Dig was estimated at $2.5 billion in 1985. Adjusting for inflation that would be ~$4.5 billion. Of course we all know how that turned out.

This tunnel has a higher initial price than the Big Dig. Is this just incompetence or is there another reason (because it can't be as complex)?

Posted by: DP on September 21, 2006 11:49 AM
5. I doubt the Mayor's office did any polling Al - more likely one of the tunnel supporters did. Doubt a FOIA would turn up anything.

Posted by: Willis on September 21, 2006 12:03 PM
6. Nickels will indeed be digging a big hole. For his own political grave that is...

Posted by: Jeff B. on September 21, 2006 12:17 PM
7. City Hall officials have hinted that they could try to block an elevated structure by denying construction permits for the project.

'Nuff said. Why waste money on a so-called vote? Porky and the Pork Barrelers, also known as the mayor and his special interest cronies, will continue to do what they want.

Posted by: Tyler Durden on September 21, 2006 12:23 PM
8. A tunnel, under water, on a fault line.

Can any you say STUPID? I knew you could.

Posted by: Jack Burton on September 21, 2006 12:34 PM
9. Liquefaction: conversion of soil into a fluidlike mass during an earthquake or other seismic event.

Posted by: Larry on September 21, 2006 01:03 PM
10. Let's just hope that Seattle's fine mayor and city council are christening it when the liquefaction occurs. Outragious!

Posted by: Jeffro on September 21, 2006 01:10 PM
11. Since when do we need to vote on crap like this. Be a frikkin LEADER already. Jeez... Seattle's government is powerless to do anything.

I personally think the tunnel would be great. Don't like the open space, park vision on top of it though - sell it all to developers for high-price condos and pay for the whole dang project.

Posted by: eric on September 21, 2006 01:14 PM
12. Tear it down, sell all that waterfront land for an enormous profit, widen I5 with the profits, and get the traffic off of the waterfront completely.

Posted by: GS on September 21, 2006 01:32 PM
13. return all the land to the Tribes. build people movers, bullet trains, rolling gambling buses, gambling ferries and widen I-5.

toll booths programmed to occasionally pay out huge purses like slot machines. gambling everywhere. downtown business and traffic hum along and tax coffers overflow.

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on September 21, 2006 01:58 PM
14. tunnel--
round hole. square peg. Nickels keeps pounding.

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on September 21, 2006 02:33 PM
15. "toll booths programmed to occasionally pay out huge purses like slot machines"


now THERE's a toll booth I'd like to see!!

Posted by: the_gambler on September 21, 2006 02:57 PM
16. jimmie- where do you get this stuff! I love it.

Since we're giving the land back to the "Ingiens", can we start smoking and purchasing Mogan David in Pioneer Square again?!

Posted by: Jeffro on September 21, 2006 03:18 PM
17. If he starts now and skips a meal every once in a while, Mayor Nipples could dig it with his teeth.

Posted by: Organization Man on September 21, 2006 06:42 PM
18. Postscript to 17: Now THAT's a cartoon I'd like to see Horsey doodle!

Posted by: Organization Man on September 21, 2006 06:47 PM
19. In case anyone is interested, here is Council President Licata's e-mail address:
Give him an earful. I just did.

Posted by: ReVOTERguy on September 21, 2006 06:52 PM
20. Oops -- the address is: nick.licata@seattle.gov

Posted by: ReVOTERguy on September 21, 2006 06:54 PM
21. This will be interesting to watch, since the final decision will be made by Gregoire, and although she is a Big Dig advocate, she knows that the continual Billion dollar a year escalation of this (and it will be 10+ Billion by the end of this project) may haunt her and the democrats on their re-election prospects.

She stays grasping to the line that technically the big dig can be built. Yes technically it probably can be done, But realisticly the cost will be staggering and her downfall.

Pushing for an alternative right now is a dead idea also, as the mayor and Seattle City council have already openly stated they will use their might to drive the permit costs up so high to make any alternative par with the tunnel.

They all talk like they want to see alternatives, but when all these alternatives get stacked with this permit fee and litagation nightmare the Seattle Council and mayor will find, it will only play into their Big Dig's Pocket. An alternative smokescreen of sorts.

You can put lipstick on a fat pig, but it is still a fat pig project.

Seattle folks, hang on to your wallets, for they shall be empty before (and with a big if) this project is begun.

You even may your park, but only after every relic is uncovered, reburied, and all the special interest groups lined up at the trough are paid off.

You made the choice of Mayor and Seattle City Council.

We just get to to watch them endlessly flail your money around!

Posted by: Gs on September 22, 2006 10:20 AM
22. Seattle elected those fools on the council, so they will reap what they sow. BUT, Seattle should be the one paying for the difference in cost between the rebuild option and the tunnel.

Posted by: Palouse on September 22, 2006 11:06 AM
23. Well after they pulled that crap, they will most likely find out that people will vote against their Billion + dollar road fixing (ha ha) package in the election coming up.

Serves them right!

Posted by: GS on September 23, 2006 12:02 AM
24. Palouse at 22--right--make Seattle pay for all its silly initiatives; i never cared until recently; its property owners are the real victims/fools;

my wider concern is that it is a major econ area for the state; like a wreckless teen's family, it pulls us all into its bad judgement, directly or indirectly; that's what incenses me; if we could isolate the pain, fine. but it migrates all over the state like an oil slick; and local morons keep electing these fools who promote valuable initiatives like "hate free zones". i can only imagine how our other state residents quietly thank their stars they do not have similar city councils--or do they?

Posted by: jimmie-howya-doin on September 23, 2006 10:52 AM
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