1. Good grief... even her fellow doorbellers were saying "darcy who?".

And the rest of her little post is an apology in advance for losing the election.

Posted by: Cheryl on August 5, 2006 11:30 AM

2. If you read further, Lynn also said that about half the people she talked to defintely did not want to see Reichert get re-elected.

But don't worry, it's just the lefty "nutroots." Reichert has it made. Just sit back and do nothing.

Posted by: ivan on August 5, 2006 11:51 AM

3. Her own precinct... in Seattle. a fellow volunteer... from Montana...

It's time to start asking these DarcyDoorbellers to prove they live in the 8th, are really rabid about darcy and not some talking point trolls.

Posted by: Cheryl on August 5, 2006 12:10 PM

4. You mean average people don't know their congressional candidates?

If you're shocked at all by this, you don't know politics at all.

10% pay attention, and generally vote for the R or D dispite the news/issues.

And 90% wait for the TV to tell them what to do.

It's nothing new at all.

Posted by: Gerald on August 5, 2006 12:11 PM

5. Methinks the SP fellow travelers protest too much, perhaps to your own detriment.

First, the story cited tells me: netrooters are being converted into precinct walkers.

Second, the volunteer's observation, "about half the folks definitely did not want Reichert re-elected." Certainly not conclusive, but an interesting anecdote that needs to be confirmed as valid or not.

SP needs to stop being dismissive, out of hand, of netrooters, if they are being converted into foot troops in the precincts. SP needs to ask, "Where are the R precinct troops?" "What are they learning from the voters?"

How many of the SP authors have hit the sidewalk and learned something valuable from your fellow voters, for your candidate?

The race will be won by those who show up in the precincts, not those who disparage each other online, sitting in front of their computers.

Posted by: NutsToU on August 5, 2006 12:21 PM

6. God, I love the hubris of the opposition when they tell us how to make ourselves better.

***

tell us again... what's that record NetNuts is holding for getting candidate elected? 0/20?

Posted by: Cheryl on August 5, 2006 12:34 PM

7. People who engage in politics, whether or not they blog or comment on websites, typically know more and are more enthusiastic about who's running months before the election. I agree with NutsTou that one of the main points of netroots activism is getting off the computer and actually doing something, which seems to be happening.

My question though is, if SP posters are so hard on folks like Lynn who get excited about a somewhat unknown candidate, what are you doing yourself writing about topics that people don't typically get excited about?

I've always wondered why anyone who themselves write for a blog would deride the netroots, which on its own is a non-partisan distinction. A Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, etc.. could be a member of the netroots.

Posted by: Emmett O'Connell on August 5, 2006 12:34 PM

8. "the voterlists were terrible, i.e. we found addresses of people where there was not a house and no chance a house had ever been there. Other people had moved away years ago."

Sounds like they're using the King County voter registration roles.

Posted by: Darth Dogbert on August 5, 2006 12:39 PM

9. The difference is those folks at NetNuts have made choosing and getting ( or failing to get them elected) a candidate elected their whole purpose for being and have stated that.

Those of us that blog on sites such as this are here because we are more interested in politics than the average voter. We have not, however made it our lifes work like goldstein, huffington and the NetNuts have.

Posted by: Cheryl on August 5, 2006 12:40 PM

10. What struck me about the Evergreen Politics post were the statements about the doorbelling lists. Perhaps I'm being naive to think that the logical place to get a list of likely voters is the voter registration database. If that's where the Burner campaign got their list, then we are seeing proof of fraudulent voter registrations particularly in the cases of addresses where no house has ever existed.

Posted by: Lynne on August 5, 2006 01:01 PM

11. One angle on this could be interesting. Assuming that a high percentage of those doorbelled were on the left, it would make sense that they had not heard of Darcy and also not want Reichert reelected. Was it true door to door or off a Democrat address list?

I'l take it with a grain of salt. But I think it's worth noting that Darcy's real world name recognition is low. Which makes sense as this is her first appearance on the radar.

I still think that overall, Netroots enthusiasm is vastly amplified by a sympathetic and hopeful media. November will tell.

Posted by: Jeff B. on August 5, 2006 01:03 PM

12. It really IS true that Netroots and KOS are really just Far-Left Echo Chambers!

Posted by: Misty on August 5, 2006 01:45 PM

13. Lynne is absolutely right. Somebody should get a hold of those lists to find out where the fraudulent democrat votes are being cast for those fake addresses with no building.

Posted by: Michele on August 5, 2006 01:58 PM

14. Cheryl: I'm not sure the point of the (liberal) netroots is only to get particular people elected to office. Granted, its a big part of what is going on right now, but that would be a natural part of any political discussion: who would we like to see elected to office, and what can we do to help them?

I would say the wider purprose, the reason why any of us, Democrat or Republican, discuss politics on the internet is to help develop a broader, more participatory, political discussion.

Posted by: Emmett O'Connell on August 5, 2006 02:11 PM

15. Lynn Allen says "The voterlists were terrible, i.e. we found addresses of people where there was not a house and no chance a house had ever been there. Other people had moved away years ago."

It is not unusual when walking a precinct to find voter registered at nonexistent addresses in King County

The people who had moved away were probably donors from a previous campaign of a Democrat candidate

Lynn Allen says "Even though no one had heard of Darcy, about half the folks definitely did not want Reichert re-elected."

Since they appear to be focusing on people who are mostly likely to vote Democrat, it is not unusual for half the folks to be anti Reichert

If all you do is read blogs and drink your party's Kool Aid, Lynn Allen and friends response is pretty typical

Posted by: Green Lake Mark on August 5, 2006 02:16 PM

16. "about half the folks definitely did not want Reichert re-elected."

Amusing considering that Reichert is a moderate to liberal republican and really is not loved by strong conceravtes. But take my word for it, those strong conservatives that made up a good percentage of those that don�t like Reichert, will vote for him over a carpet bagging netroot.

Posted by: Verne on August 5, 2006 02:31 PM

17. Two things I noticed are the following:

1. I told them that I believe that Darcy is a "transformational" candidate, one of those people like Ned Lamont
If she is telling the majority of people this about Darcy Burner I think she may find it has the opposite effect seeing as most people that consider them selves moderates dont like what is happening to Joe Libberman out in Conn.

2. I've signed up to run for PCO in my own precinct in Seattle

why is it that everything I have heard about Burner is from people outside the district. Has she even done any rallies in her district or is she just concentrating all her efforts in Seattle?

Posted by: TrueSoldier on August 5, 2006 02:51 PM

18. Good point, TrueSoldier. It always seems to be coming from Seattle, not th 8th. That woman's time would be better spent trying to help a normal democrat to displace McDermott. Word is that he's just not taken seriously in DC. If that's not true, I'd like to hear from others. But that is what I hear.

Posted by: Michele on August 5, 2006 03:21 PM

19. Obviously they're using the voter lists. As to the entries being fraudulent, that characterization is a little strong. As Stephan has pointed out recently, county employees sometimes make mistakes so these invalid addressis may just be erroneous and uncorrected.

Posted by: mark on August 5, 2006 04:20 PM

20. Oops, Sorry Stefan, just notice my typo on your name. Apologies.

Posted by: mark on August 5, 2006 04:22 PM

21. It's cute reading people's guesses.

Actually I canvassed for the Democratic Party before, and while we use the voter database we also keep other records. The point is to distinguish the R's from the D's so we know who to call on election day. Unfortunately, the lists don't stay accurate for long and when you think you have a D house, a lot of the time it's a R.

And actually the voter database is extremely inaccurate. The problem is people move without telling the state, and never re-register. So you knock on a door, ask for Jim, and hear "Ummm, no Jim lives here", so you look on the list again, "how about... Rhonda?".

I actually found the whole thing a complete waste of time, but whoever the big-shots are obviously think it helps.

Posted by: Gerald on August 5, 2006 04:48 PM

22. Gerald, did you or anyone you worked with contact the elections dept regarding the errors you errors in the voter registration database?

Posted by: Lynne on August 5, 2006 05:53 PM

23. I've lived at this address for 22 years, and my father was a state senator, and my brother is on McGavick's finance committee. So you would think that I'd be one of the last people Darcy's campaign would call. But, call they did. I told the woman that while I was not totally happy with Reichert, I would be voting for him and suggested that she remove my name from their list so as not to waste their time.

Posted by: Joseph Cantu on August 5, 2006 05:53 PM

24. Actually, I don't know if we reported the inaccuracies... I did the knocking (and writing on a little list), and someone else did the data-entry.

My guess though, which is just a guess, is that we didn't report it. Why would we want the opponents to have accurate data that we found out?

Yep. The whole system is a mess.

Posted by: Gerald on August 5, 2006 06:51 PM

25. The whole system is a mess. We keep voting for the lesser of two evils instead of the best choice. However, here is a clear choice - Dave Reichert over the empty suit, Darcy who ?

The Republicrats and Demicans seem like one party at times on the national level, but are clearly different about other issues.

Things are different in the Socialist Republic of WA. You know and I know that the Democrats in this state are going to do everything humanly possible, whether its legal or not to retain power in November. Hopefully, enough people will awaken from their apathy to rise up and vote out these self-serving socialists that have a D beside their name and that goes especially for the incumbent judges in the WSSC and vote out Gregoire in '08.

Posted by: KS on August 5, 2006 09:31 PM

26.
My guess though, which is just a guess, is that we didn't report it. Why would we want the opponents to have accurate data that we found out?

I am sorry to hear, Gerald, that you prefer to think of this information in that way. It's one to help your candidate win, no matter the cost, and it's another to help the sytem be fair to all.
This zero-sum partisanship doesn't seem to serve the public very well in the long run, whether it is left or right wing.

Posted by: pseudotsuga on August 5, 2006 09:52 PM

27. Pseudotsuga, don't blame me, I'm with you. If it were my choice I'd rather fix the voter database than hold a very small advantage.

Posted by: Gerald on August 5, 2006 11:49 PM

28. Cheryl wrote, "Those of us that blog on sites such as this are here because we are more interested in politics than the average voter."

Cheryl, you blog? Blogging means writing your own posts on a blog. Commenting in comment threads is not blogging IMO. Let's get that distinction straight.

I agree with the rest of your statement however.

Posted by: Daniel K on August 6, 2006 12:26 AM

29. I have to admit I'm kind of sneaky with the poor Dems. They do their dorbelling, and they always call on my house since I live in a very Blue district. I pretend to be a Democrat and sign up for all of their offers to help, etc. and then I never follow through. I think it's funny to interact with the young moonbats that they recruit to do the doorbelling. Most of these poor kids have never had an independent thought. They are just doing what they're told. They spout obvious talking points and are really not at all sincere or believable. This might actually work for gullible folks. Maybe they have luck with a lot of little old ladies in the precint who are easily scared and don't have access to the Internet, etc. But the whole thing mostly seems like a waste of time.

It's sad testimony to our times when folks are willing to be swayed by a single voice knocking on their door, or a television commercial. Sadly, most of the electorate votes with no more intelligence or reasoned choice than monkeys.

Posted by: Jeff B. on August 6, 2006 08:59 AM

30. What is their pitch like when doorbelling? Hi have you heard of Darcy Burner? No? Uhhh. Well she's a Democrat and not Dave Riechert. Qualifications? Well she has lived in the District for a couple of years....No, she has never held a local office..Volunteer? No,not really. Voted on a regular basis? Well.. Ummm she's getting alot better since deciding to run for Congress. Working?...not currently, but she did work for a local software company before quitting to go to law school and then quitting after one year to run for this position. Involved in the Local Community at all? Hmm.. Well she was the President of the Ames Lake homeowners community center. No, this is not a Joke.

Who am I, well I am currently considering my options while sharing a loft with some buddies on Capital Hill and attending classes part time at Seattle Central Community College. No, I didn't know I was in Carnation, they just dropped me off and gave me this map to use to walk around and knock on doors. Actually no, I didn't know Seattle was that way and Yes I will make sure not to let the door hit me in the rear on the way out.

Posted by: Smokie on August 6, 2006 10:30 AM

31. dig this; chick raises $$ in liberal seattle, spends it in moderate suburbs..

home free

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