July 29, 2006
Yes, It Was Terrorism

It's insufficient to simply condemn the murder of one and the wounding of five at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle by Pakistani gunman Naveed Afzal Haq, who said he was a Muslim-American angry at Israel. Robert Jamieson is reminded of Tel Aviv detonations, but can't broach the "T" word regarding this specific incident. It was terrorism - let's get our heads around that. Today's Seattle Times update leads with a possible "mental illness" explanation for the suspect's alleged actions, but then notes the shooting came a day after "Hezbollah leaders in Lebanon and al-Qaida's second in command urged that the war raging in the Middle East be carried to the U.S." An FBI disclaimer of any links between Haq and any terrorist organization follows. Yet, as Andrew McCarthy of the National Review Online writes today:

...it could not conceivably be more clear that it is terrorism. If the FBI is saying they can't link him to any known terrorist group, that doesn't mean it's not terrorism....not all terrorism is committed by known groups...federal law recognizes the concept of lone-wolf terrorism. It is terrorism because it is a sneak attack -- in this case against civilians -- which is motivated by a purpose to affect government policy and/or further a political/social/religious cause.

Hugh Hewitt opines:

Any crime of violence done to avenge a political grievance is an act of terrorism. Haq's murder of at least one employee of the Jewish Federation is an act of terrorism. What the public needs to know is the likelihood of other such acts being committed by similarly situated individuals.

It's of more than passing relevance in Haq's case to recall the conclusion of the FBI and Department of Justice regarding Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, the pro-Palestinian Egyptian gunman from SoCal who assasinated two Israelis and wounded four other people at the El-Al (Israeli airline) ticket counter at LAX in 2002. As CNN reported:

During the extensive worldwide investigation, sources said, investigators found no evidence linking Hadayet to any terrorist group. They characterized the shooting as an act of terrorism because Hadayet espoused anti-Israeli views and was opposed to U.S. policy in the Middle East, the sources said.

A recent Washington Post op-ed which ran in the Seattle Times discussed the growing advocacy of "individual terrorism" by jihadist opinion leaders. That is precisely what Haq, based on his own words and his reported actions, perpetrated in Seattle yesterday. Whether he drew inspiration from online jihadist preachers is of interest, but not necessarily crucial to the definition of individual terrorism.

How Haq is prosecuted - what punishment is sought, what excuses are made and accepted for his violence, and the outcome after all appeals are exhausted - will speak loudly to our society's true tolerance for terrorists in our own midst.

Posted by Matt Rosenberg at July 29, 2006 11:14 AM | Email This
1. Cant agree with you more Matt. The times article posted out a fewintresting tidbits. They interivewed an old friend of his from high school who said that hew was

"He was pretty much just a normal guy. He was a little more toward the academic side than the average high-school person," Atencio said. "He was the kind of guy when you talked to him he was always laughing ... not outgoing but not reclusive either."

and they also had quotes from a tennent at his apartment complex:

The landlady told Richey that Haq was heading to Pakistan. Richie often talked with Haq about guns and politics, though little stuck out. Richey said Haq didn't like President Bush.
"There was something strange about him," Richey said. "There was something about him I didn't like."

This sounds like someone who may has been converted. He was "normal" in high school by all accounts and now he suddenly wants to move to his homeland of Pakistan (where Bin Laden is rumored to be). And of course htere is this final tidbit from the article:

"He told the police that it was a hostage situation and he wanted us to get our weapons out of Israel," said one woman who heard the account from the wounded co-worker.

Sounds to me like a page from the Hezzbollah Jihad playbook. Kidnap and ask for outrageous demands (i.e. 3 soldiers for 1000's of terrorists). We all need to wake up to the reality that WWIII has started and will continue to reach our shores until the terrorist are stopped.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on July 29, 2006 11:32 AM
2. Naveed Afzal Haq should have gone to trial on Thursday July 27, 2006 at 8:30 a.m. on his lewd conduct charges before Judge Holly A. Hollenbeck of Benton County District Court (Case No. K00032871 KWP). The charges were filed on March 3, 2006, after he was arrested the previous day.

The pretrial conference had been continued numerous times (with waivers of his speedy trial rights). Finally, the case was set for trial on July 20, 2006. However, his attorney Larry Stephenson apparently (docket does not show his presence, or expressly state his absence) did not show up for trial on that date, and the case was continued one week until July 27, 2006.

On July 27, 2006, defense attorney Stephenson didn't show up for trial (docket expressly indicates his absence), and the case was continued for two weeks until August 10, 2006.

Interesting, the final pretrial conference was held on June 21, 2006 -- which set the initial trial date of July 20, 2006. The docket does not indicate defense attorney Stephenson being present (or absent either for that matter) on that date as well.

S 06 21 2006 PTR NN: Held DDP
S Proceedings Recorded on Tape No. 06212006 DDP
S 06 22 2006 NJT YN Set for 07/20/2006 08:32 AM DDP
S in Room 6 with Judge HAH DDP
S Notice Issued for NJT YN on 07/20/2006 08:32 AM KJS
S 07 20 2006 NJT YN: Not Held, Defendant Contd DDP
S Proceedings Recorded on Tape No. 07202006 DDP
S 07 20 2006 NJT NN Set for 07/27/2006 08:32 AM DDP
S in Room 6 with Judge HAH DDP
S 07 20 2006 NJT NN Set for 07/27/2006 08:32 AM DDP
S in Room 6 with Judge HAH DDP
S 07 27 2006 NJT NN: Not Held, Defendant Contd DDP
S Proceedings Recorded on Tape No. 07272006 DDP
S NJT NN Set for 08/10/2006 08:32 AM DDP
S in Room 6 with Judge HAH DDP
S NJT YN Set for 08/10/2006 08:32 AM DDP
S in Room 6 with Judge HAH DDP

Posted by: Richard Pope on July 29, 2006 12:00 PM
3. McCarthy's view--that terrorism can include violence to "further a political/social/religious cause"--seems to legitimize "hate crimes" as a form of terrorism.

Posted by: Jim Anderson on July 29, 2006 12:35 PM
4. Ack. "Legitimize" in the above is the wrong word. "Classify" makes more sense.

Posted by: Jim Anderson on July 29, 2006 12:36 PM
5. If one can commit an act of civil disobedience without being part of an organized group, I do not see why an individual could not also commit an act of terrorism without being part of any group.

Objectively speaking, this murder was exactly the sort of response that Bin Laden, Zawahairi, and other extremists have anticipated in urging Muslims around the world to attack Jews and Americans. So the question largely boils down to one of intent rather than organizational affiliation. Did this individual see himself as a kind of jihadist warrior striking a blow for Islam, and did he have the mental capacity to form such an intent? I don't think we know enought yet to make that judgment.

It seems clear, however, that our existing legal categories are indadequate for dealing with either the urging or the performance of the sort of terrorism that may be involved here.

Posted by: Tom Rekdal on July 29, 2006 12:42 PM
6. Tom, the reason is that if we classify this as a terrorist event, we may make somebody mad at us. And they may want to walk into a building and shoot innocent people. We can't have that, now can we?

And what's more important, legal categories, or being PC? You don't mean to suggest that protecting citizens is more important than kissing the rear ends of murderous xenophobes.

Posted by: RadioMattM on July 29, 2006 01:00 PM
7. "...did he have the mental capacity to form such an intent?. I don't think we know enough yet to make that judgment."

Nonsense. It is precisely this kind of thinking that has led our judicial system down the road to moral ruin. This is why we spend over five years and millions of dollars finding a defendant who admitted to killing five defenseless children "innocent" for her inexcusable actions. This is why we spend millions of dollars per case hiring "forensic" mental health experts to tell us an adult is not responsible for his/her criminal actions. Actions always speak louder than words. This man expressed his intentions with his criminal actions yesterday. We don't need to waste countless thousands of dollars on the psychiatric excuse makers of the court house to know this. It is self-evident. The only defense for such violence must be self-defense. We are all less safe if we allow this man, or anybody else, to be found "innocent" by reason of insanity. Unfortunately, a case like this is likely to become a long, drawn out insanity defense, with the mental health charlatans making a lot of money off of it, rather than being the open and shut case it ought to be.

Posted by: James on July 29, 2006 01:12 PM
8. Yes, Matt good post. We have got to call this thing by what it was or we will fall into the puffy dough of Seattle kumbaya-speak --Grrrr. Worst of all the authorities - with their word palliatives - want to deny us - Jews and non Jewish-non Muslims, the potential victims - the human dimension of plain anger at such an attempt at mass murder. Local leaders are not authorized to deal with Muslims in any way - but they can begin compliling watch lists of those who state their anger at Islamic terror.

The battle of the narrative begins:

The authorities, including Mayor Greg Nickels, police chief Gil Kerlikowske and various FBI agents, are working like mad to control the vocabulary of the narrative of Friday’s murder of one Jewish woman and wounding of five others at the Jewish Federation by a self-proclaimed angry Muslim man. The official speech playbook goes like this: do not utter the word terror under any circumstance. It was a hate crime. Haters, of course, hate alone. They are creepy, obsessive, cut off from any community and locked in their own hot-house world of one. Terror, the word, undeniably, drops us into President Bush’s frantic world and that is not a good thing, especially in a Democratic stronghold like Seattle (which voted overwhelmingly for Kerry in the ‘04 election). Not that Bush & Co completely control the word, for, terror, the word, also calls to account an entire blubbery, easeful bureaucracy – Homeland Security, the FBI, CIA – supposedly dedicated to the purposeful quashing of every aspect of the word. Terror.

...more over at sunbreak...

Posted by: Doug on July 29, 2006 01:19 PM
9. Doug, you could spin it the other way--the Times would want to play up the terror angle in order to expose the weaknesses of the GWOT and BushCo and the Patriot Act.

Posted by: Jim Anderson on July 29, 2006 01:24 PM
10. The feedback postings in the P.I. about this disgusting crime gives a preview of what to expect with this case in the future. Comments such as forgiveness, come-together, mental problems, etc. spice the postings. If this case ever makes it to a jury pray for the prosecution. And of course Bush has been drawn into the P.I. fray but that’s to be expected.

The early comments by the local FBI ASAC, which were likely based upon speculation, are very disappointing. The shots were virtually still echoing when this spokesman voiced what he claimed wasn’t. I say likely based upon speculation because it’s possible the Bureau had a file on this guy and were actively working him before the tragedy. Possible but not likely.

Kerlikowskie announcing increased patrol and presence at synagogues and mosques is nothing but eye candy. File “increased” or “stepped-up police presence” following a crime under: When in Trouble When in Doudt Run in Circles Scream and Shout. Gil’s post-crime actions are kind of like patting down and searching the luggage of an eighty-five year old grandmother flying from Boise to Siuox City.

Nickles did denounce the event. Perhaps I missed it or maybe he’s out of town but I haven’t seen or heard Sims doing the same. Perhaps he’s resting his vocal chords from his M.L.K. impersonation denouncing last week’s State Supreme Court decision.

For those who claim this crime doesn’t represent or portray Seattle and the area just take a look at the recent person on person crimes we’ve witnessed here lately. This area is not immune – just ask Naveed Haq.

Posted by: Tyler Durden on July 29, 2006 02:48 PM
11. OK, bear with me for a moment because I'm still working to put this all into proper focus.

Would any of you acknowledge a difference between a small "t" terror and a large "T" Terror? The difference as I see it is in the planning, purpose, and ultimate objective.

A drunken slob "terrorizes" his girlfriend, but only in an impulsive bullying sort of way.

Hezbollah Terrorizes Israel in a systematic way with an definite objective in mind.

If you accept my premise (even if only for the sake of inspection), how would you then categorize Naveed Haq and his terrible deed? And even if you (like me) see it as a small "t" act, does it change anything in our perception of the on-going struggle that is the WOT? Did Naveed come to Seattle to terrorize those women, or did he come here to murder them? Both? Will we ever know?

I despise the term "hate crime" because it seeks to emphasize the classification of priority to victimization of one crime over another. Is one murder more egregious because it was more wanton? Is the other victim any less dead? Granted, this is differentiated from the concept of a heinous crime - horrible crimes should be prosecuted - but they should each be prosecuted with the same ardor.

I mourn the loss of life yesterday. I thank God that more lives weren't lost. I'm thankful that this bozo was promptly caught, but I do wish that he would have saved a bullet for himself...

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 29, 2006 02:54 PM
12. This was not a case of Terrorism any more than when the proverbial employee of the USPS wigs out and goes 'postal'. It is tragic, but just because one act was committed against a group which many readers of the blog identify with does not make it Terrorism. I agree completely with alphabet soup's characterization of the difference between 'to terrorize' and 'Terrorism', and also agree with the diagnosis of problems with the term 'hate crime'.

Posted by: chris on July 29, 2006 03:34 PM
13. I have to agree with the statement that liberals are not merely wrong - They are evil.

Look at how they are trying to excuse away - even justify this terrorist's actions.

It isn't only the rhetoric overseas that encourages people to do such stuff but hate speech back home by groups like Move-on.com which makes these terrorists think that they will get wide support for their acts. And unfortuntately, they are right. There is wide support support for crimes against jews from liberal groups in Seattle and Elsewhere.

The Liberals have Turned Seattle into a city of HATE, a City Of Death. Right now Seattle has become famous for its antisemitism.

Whether it is people on hatetalk 710 or airAmerica trying to almost justify this terrorist actions or the silence you hear from other liberal groups who if the situation was reversed would be in the streets, the Liberals have shown where they stand on the Killing of Jews. The same way the people of Germany stood over sixty years ago.

I am SO ASHAMED to call Seattle my home. I as well was born here. Seattle was a great place. Now it is primarily known for HATE!

Posted by: Hank on July 29, 2006 03:52 PM
14. By the way, can't we give the postal workers a break? We haven't had an incident of that in 20 years or so.

Since then we have had a rash of high schoolers doing mass shootings though in the past several years we haven't even had that. We also have had other workers not related to the postal service shoot up their place of work.

How long are the postal workers going to be tarnished by the sins of the past by just a few of them?

Posted by: Hank on July 29, 2006 03:59 PM
15. Why has Seattle become a target for Terrorism

It is because they know that Sims, Gossett, and all the other leftists in Seattle have barred law enforcement from effectively dealing with the situation. Officers are affaid of Muslims. Afraid that whatever they do they would be accused of "profiling" and losing their jobs.

Quiet is sometimes speak louder than shouts. The fact that Sims, Gossett, et al. hasn't spoken out publicly about the growing of anti-sematism among liberal groups and immigrants speaks volumes.

This could only be the tip of the iceburg when radical leftist groups and Islamic groups become emboden by the lack of condemnation and even subtile support coming from the Seattle Power structure. This could be the first in a string of violence that could rock Seattle and I doubt that Kerlikowskie could deal effectly with the consequneces of making liberal organizations and immigrants out of bounds when investigating plots of terrorism.

THANK GOD that I live in rural King County and haven't been to Seattle for years.

Posted by: Alex on July 29, 2006 04:09 PM
16. I am ashamed too.

Look at what one blogger said about the reaction in seattle.


Nevertheless, there have been a few isolated reactions that deserve some scrutiny. I was a bit baffled, for example, to read the following statement by Ziyad Zaitoun, a 52-year-old civil engineer taking part in a protest against Israel’s operation in Lebanon, who was quoted in the Seattle Times:

"[A]ny time something like this happens — especially against the state of Israel or people connected to the state of Israel — we fear for our lives" as Muslims, Zaitoun said.


This blogger has founed out what we in the Puget Sound already know. That the Leftists who have such a stranglehold on Seattle politics (corrupting even the election process) has turned Seattle into a city where Jews must fear for their lives. A city where terrorists are getting more protections than their targets.

Thanks Sims, Gossett, Pelz, and all you other moonbats. You have shown to the world that you aren't merely wrong. You are indeed evil in the same way Hitler was!

Seattle, now known as a capital of anti-semetic hate. With HateTalk 710 as its voice.

Posted by: Karen on July 29, 2006 04:20 PM
17. http://www.tri-cityherald.com/tch/local/story/8016256p-7909196c.html

"The Muslims of the Tri-Cities have nothing to do with the terrorist act committed by this lone, angry Muslim who happens to be from the Tri-Cities," said Muhammad Kaleem Ullah of Richland.

Ullah represents the Islamic Center of the Tri-Cities. About 200 to 300 Muslims live here, he said.


Oh, why would we think that the Muslims of Tri-Cities have anything to do with this. Just because one of your members spend lots of time there before mysteriously coming to Seattle.

No, no connection once so ever.


By the way, why would the Tri-Cities be of interest to the Muslims. I mean there is nothing out there, or is there?

Posted by: Larry on July 29, 2006 04:47 PM
18. Hank--if you think that one type of murder can rationally be treated differently than another under the law, then YOU are a liberal. A human life is a human life. Abortion is wrong, a hate crime is an illogical class of crimes, and the definition of Terrorism should not be extended to the case of one murder acting alone.

Posted by: chris on July 29, 2006 05:59 PM
19. I hope that this will elad people to finally make a break from simple tolerance of Islam.

The Prophet was an enlightened man .. for his time. he also murdered the Jews of yathrib because they refused to side with him against the Meccans.

OK, other religions have bad starts and bibles are poor texts books for religons that have grown over centuries.

BUT Islam still celebrates the slaughter of Yathrib, now called Medina and required to be Judenbfrei.

Naveed Afzal Haq was educated in this way as are many or even most chilren who attend mosque schools in Seattle today. This is worng and must change.

My onw blog discusses this at some length as do many others on the web. As an American, I celebrate diversity but I can not olerate the ahtred of Islam any more than I can of the KKK. It hurts to be intolerant but how can one tolerate this sort of teching?

Posted by: Steve on July 29, 2006 06:07 PM
20. Those who say this was not terrorism are wrong. Here's why. The difference between a USPS employee going postal, and this guy shooting up the Jewish Federation is in the ideology behind their actions. Ideas matter, and they have consequences. A postal employee going on a shooting rampage is motivated by some personal issue. None have been linked to any particular ideology. But in this case, the ideology behind this man is Islam. And the target is a Jewish Federation. And he explicitly named his target as the result of the situation in Israel and Lebanon. His guiding ideas for this attack were not those of a crazy personal situaiton, but instead those motivated by Islamic Hatred. That's what makes it Terror, the connection to Islamic Hatred, which is preaching Jihad as an appropriate way to address Islamic insecurity and intolerance of the Western world.

Ignoring and appeasing Islamic hatred will lead to more terror. Cowardice amongst the media that is too worried about multiculturalism to implicate Islam as the source will still not stop the attacks. The attacks have been coming and they will keep coming. The attacks are targeted at Western civilization, and we have no choice but to confront them and demand that the illegitimate governments that support terror and oppress their citizens under theocracy, stop their support immediately.

We are guided by a philsophy of live and let live. They are guided by a philosophy of kill and be killed. We must confront this hateful ideology.

Stop cowering.

Posted by: Jeff B. on July 29, 2006 06:43 PM
21. The AP reports:

"Yousef Shehadeb, 46, a member of the Islamic Center of the Tri-Cities, recalled Haq as quiet and something of a loner. Shehadeb said he and Haq’s father, Mian Haq, both work at the Hanford nuclear reservation, as do many members of the area’s Muslim community."

Hanford Nuclear Reservation is the largest nuclear waste dump in the Western Hemisphere. Let us hope that Haq was indeed a lone gunman with no connection to any terror network.

Posted by: krm on July 29, 2006 06:43 PM
22. Where's the Outrage in Seattle?

Where's Ron Sims?

When a King County Executive can just remain silent lacking all outrage and when a prominent radio station like Hate Talk KKKIRO can have on its radio waves someone who said that this shooting doesn't seem that significant compared to the people dying in Lebanon (remember there is a 7 second delay for the talk host to prevent such hate from going out over the airwaves, if he had wanted to) it isn't the city I remember from my youth anymore.

Seattle has become a city of HATE.

And Ron Sims has become the KING OF HATE!!

Posted by: Nancy on July 29, 2006 06:48 PM
23. Jeff, can't we give the postal workers a break? There hasn't been an incident of that in 20 years or so.

How long are the postal workers going to be tarnished by the sins of the past by just a few of them?

Posted by: Hank on July 29, 2006 06:53 PM
24. Krm, Former Senator Gordon probably knew of concerns of Sleeper Cells in the Tri-Cities last year.


As for the Tri-Cities, "You're a very special community, of course," when it comes to fighting terrorism.

This is a very interesting statement from someone in the know isn't it?

We in Washington seem to be under more danger than the politicians are letting on, aren't we it seems.

Posted by: Sid on July 29, 2006 06:59 PM
25. Jeff B,
Is there a difference between yesterday's shooting and when Christian Identity follower Buford Furrow shot 5 people at a Jewish Community Center in Los Angeles?

There's no evidence that this man was even particularly religious. In fact, some claim he wasn't even involved with the Islamic Community out there.

Buford Furrow was given consecutive life sentences for his crimes. Was that appeasing the Christian hate groups that advocate the removal of all Jews (as Furrow was involved with)?

Posted by: thehim on July 29, 2006 07:25 PM
26. Wow, Sen. Gorton basically said it without saying it didn't he?

There is obviously lots going on within the Muslim community in the Tri-Cities that the FBI doesn't want the general public to be aware of.

I don't know if we should just respect that and hope that the FBI does its job or demand that the FBI tell us the truth about whatever threat exists there.

Posted by: Ted on July 29, 2006 07:28 PM
27. Ron Sims obviously knows of the danger. He doesn't go anywhere without armed guards.

I wonder if he will give the same protection to all the Jews in Seattle?

Posted by: Susan on July 29, 2006 07:41 PM
28. "possible "mental illness" explanation for the suspect's alleged actions"

Well of course there is a mental illness explanation. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

He hated Bush, just like all the moonbats in Seattle do. His hatred isn't that dissimliar than the other liberals out there.

Frankly with all the hatred that the liberals have been pumping out from people like Howard Dean and groups like Moveon.com, I am kind of surprised we haven't seen more of this stuff, especially in Seattle with the likes of Pelz, Sims, and all the other Leftists around there.

But then again perhaps this is only the beginning.

Posted by: Fred on July 29, 2006 07:56 PM
29. Ron Sims obviously knows of the danger. He doesn't go anywhere without armed guards.

Um, I've met Ron Sims twice, both times in public, and neither time was he surrounded by armed guards. Where on earth do you get these "facts" from?

I wonder if he will give the same protection to all the Jews in Seattle?

Special police forces to guard every Jewish person in Seattle? What a super-duper plan! I want three personal bodyguards. That way, I've always got a ready game of spades any time I want it.

Posted by: thehim on July 29, 2006 07:58 PM
30. Susan,

Don't worry. Sooner or later the average americans will realize how their government and their country's resources are hijacked by the zionist law-makers. Then there will be no need to protect the jews.

Posted by: Lopes on July 29, 2006 08:00 PM
31. I would like to hear the thoughts of sombody who opposes that hate crimes be recognized as a separate class of crime but who also thinks this was Terrorism reconcile their beliefs why this is not a hate crime.

Posted by: chris on July 29, 2006 08:08 PM
32. TheHim, I'm a 'muslim'-American and I'm angry with the 'Israelis' has no religious connotations?

I see.

Posted by: Mike H. on July 29, 2006 08:10 PM
33. Yes, it WAS terrorism. And there is NO excuse. I hear that The SPD was actually saying they were going to watch the mosques IN CASE OF RETRIBUTION ATTACKS! Oh my goodness....how wrong can they possibly get things?

Posted by: Michele on July 29, 2006 08:10 PM
34. In regards to "hate crimes" v. "terrorism," it seems that in the case of "hate crimes," the perpetrator is punished more because of his/her thoughts (and how "incorrect" those thoughts are judged to be) about the victim(s) than his/her deeds.

Posted by: MES on July 29, 2006 08:31 PM
35. BTW: I've met sims twice myself.....He had conspicuous armed security both times...

thi~it - you don't rate three armed guards. Besides, you don't need them - they'll see that you're a Dhimmicrat so they'll know that you're not worth killing...

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 29, 2006 08:52 PM
36. Check out the hate speech going on on this blog.


It proves that Liberals aren't merely wrong - They are Evil. And that they are really the enemy within.

Here is what one of these liberals said.

"Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, July 29 2006 @ 05:18 PM PDT
it seems like the life of a jew is considered more worthwhile than the life of
an arab. ask yourselves why you are so outraged when 6 jews get injured,
but not when hundreds of lebanese get killed, and the entire infrastructure of
lebanon gets bombed. why are you so mad? in the scheme of things
around the world, this is nothing compared to genocide, starvation, and war
that is all happening because of the US and Israel, and yet it is as if this issue
is more important.

also, i think we need to begin supporting hezbollah because it is the only
group out there that is actually seriously fighting israel. you may not agree
with their politics (and they are not the same as al-qaeda), but we still need
to support them. i dont agree with black nationalism, but if we were in the
60's, i would absolutely be supporting the black panthers. i also dont agree
with communist dictatorships, but if this was the 60's i would definitely be
supporting the National Liberation Front of Vietnam. It doesnt mean we have
to give them uncritical support, but it means that if we really care about
ending colonialism and war, we have to side with those that are fighting
against it, even if it might feel a little uncomfortable. otherwise, dont
pretend to be standing with the palestinians or the lebanese if you dont
support the groups that are actually fighting for them."


Liberals have no problem with talking about treason. They hate America with all their heart and soul. They hate Jews almost as much.

Posted by: Mary on July 29, 2006 09:13 PM
37. No, it's not terrorism. Not exactly. Rather, it's JIHAD.

Our problem is that we don't understand Islam and we don't understand Jihad. To the jihadist, whatever the problem, infidels (meaning Christians, Hindus, Jews, aetheists, etc) are always to blame. Moslems must rule over them politically, according to the Koran, and their freedom from this is itself an offense against Allah.

As a muslim, Naveed Haq is required to wage perpetual war ("Jihad") upon infidels. This is a holy virtuous act of murder for God and the ticket to Islamic heaven. I know it's hard to believe. But it's true.

When a muslim feels frustrated at the job and girlfriend situation, or whatever (like we all do at times), all the religious blame messages and virtuous violence messages he's internalized combust naturally into these kinds of acts. And like others who've acted on the Jihad impulse before him, he really believes he is blameless and justified on moral and religious grounds. Haq read his Koran, and did his duty.

Koran 9.5: "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

Koran 9.29: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

More information about the phenomenon of jihad can be found at this site:

Searchable koran can be found at this site:

Posted by: jtb on July 29, 2006 09:26 PM
38. Check this out.


Very Scary! Especially after what Senator Gorton said.

Posted by: Mary on July 29, 2006 09:26 PM
39. Yes it is clearly terrorism, the deliberate targeting of civilians to inspire terror or effect a political or ideological purpose. And it is specifically Islamic jihad. Whether committed by a group or alone, jihad is acting on behalf of the umma (community, Muslim nation) and the jihadist finds his inspiration and justification for violence in the Qu'ran, Hadith, and Sira-- all the holy scriptures of Islam.

In this case, we should also be mindful of the culture of hate that is the breeding ground for Muslim violence against Jews. In France, not long ago, a 23-year-old Jewish disc jockey was attacked in his apartment parking garage by a Muslim neighbor. His throat was cut, his face disfigured with a fork, and he lay murdered. His killer went up on the balcony and in his bloody clothes yelled, "I have killed my Jew now I can go to Heaven." Where would he get such an idea? Kill a Jew and go to Paradise?

Muslims are taught that Jews are inherently corrupt and treacherous. From the Qu'ran: Jews are the malevolent enemies of Islam (6:82); the slayer of prophets (2:61); were transformed into apes and pigs (5:60); and in a Hadith (sayings of the Prophet) had caused Mohammed's death by poisoning. In the well-known and oft-quoted Hadith of Bukhari the fate of the Jews and their ultimate extermination is addressed: "The Hour (of world redemption) will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them), until the Jews hide behind the rocks and trees, which will cry, O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!" This Hadith is preached all over the Muslim world, today. Furthermore the Jews will then serve as ransom for all Muslims dwelling in the fires of hell. Article 7 of the Hamas Charter quotes this Hadith which says that Jews are the perpetual enemies of God and will eventually be massacred. (By the way, incitement to genocide, which this is, is punishable under Article 4 of the 1948 Genocide Convention).

The constant drumbeat of Jews as inherently corrupt, deceitful or bloodthirsty vampires,
cursed, descended from monkeys and swine, planning wars and all evil in the world, Jews as a danger to all humanity(see the popularity of old libels like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in the Muslim world). The Jews must be fought, exterminating the Jews will be necessary for the Day of Resurrection: God has sent this message through his Prophet.

Before there was an Israel, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, leader of the Palestinian Arabs, who spent World War II with the Nazis dreaming of bringing Auschwitz to the Holy Land if his buddy Hitler were victorious, used to make wartime radio broadcasts to the Arab world from Berlin. Calling for a campaign of genocide against the Jew he would say "Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history and religion."

This strain of Muslim Judeophobia has become pathological today and it is inspiring deeds.
These deeds, in turn, are understood as jihad
because in this Islamic version of history, infidels (unbelievers) are the cause of all evil and jihad is always justice.

Posted by: Robert on July 29, 2006 10:11 PM
40. OK. Let's just step back and look at this.

An armed Moslem man sneaks into the Jewish Federation behind a woman who uses her passcard. He states "I am angry at Israel" and open fire. His victims happen to be women. But all are Jews.

This is not a crime against women. This is a terrorist act against Jews.

And what is our intrepid Seattle Police Department doing about this? They are defending the mosques. This is about the most worthless POS police force in the entire western hemisphere. Innocent people are murdered because they are Jewish, and these worthless idiots with badges guard the incubators of terrorists.

And this POS's parents claiming that Islam does not teach such things? BS. The Koran explicitly teaches such things.

This Moslem POS needs to be shipped off to Gitmo. Deport his parents, too. Shut down their mosque. And run this useless pukehound of a Seattle police chief out of town on a rail. For his inept and stupidly politically-correct response to a clear act of terrorism in our city, Gil Kerlikowski doesn't desrerve to wear a badge from a freaking bubble gum machine.

Posted by: ERNurse on July 29, 2006 10:13 PM
41. If this guy had walked in to that building, announced that he was "a Muslim American angry at Israel" and denotated a bomb that killed a person and injured five others, I think the arguments against this being a terrorist act would be less frequent. Society is accustomed, unfortunately, to people going "postal" and shooting people at random. If I were Jewish, I would be just as "terrorized" at the notion of a guy walking in and shooting everyone as I would of a guy walking in and denotating a bomb (especially in light of the requests for and attention paid to individual acts of terrorism, noted above). Can the means of destruction be the differentiating factor here? Should it?

Posted by: Matt on July 29, 2006 11:38 PM
42. In response to "thehim" a particularly dangerous and typical lefty commenter who comes from HorsesAss:

thehim wonders if there's any difference between this attack and that of Buford Furrow in Los Angeles. Obviously, yes. Even if Furrow was completely motivated by his Christian beliefs that he felt justified in his rampage, there is no consistent preaching of hatred and calls for murder within Chistrianity at this time. There is no Christian equivalent of the mass and organized preaching of hatred and jihad that happens every day in Mosques throughout the Middle East. And, it's not as if those on the right are connecting every crazy act to terrorism, we are not, but when we see a duck, we call it a duck, and not a dove. Example, the Seattle Rave party that ended in a shootup. Those of us on the right did not immediately call it terrorism as we have in the case of this angry Muslim who shot up the Jewish Federation. thehim should ask himself why.

Furthermore, yes, there is evidence that this man was motivated by violent Islam. thehim, please go check out what he said to the 911 operator. And there is other evidence as well.

Finally, if we zoom out a bit and examine this episode, it's a great example of the dichotomy between left and right as it pertains to Islamic Jihad.

On the right, there is a continual effort to integrate the examples of Islamic fanaticism to point out the dangers of this violent religion and ideology and identify the sources of hatred and government sponsorship of this hatred. On the left, there is a continual effort to disintegrate and explain away terrorism as isolated hate crimes, etc. And hence, thehim, searching for comparisons to Christians, etc.

The left is dispicable, and ultimately suicidal in their mentality. Imagine if we were examining a bridge for cracks and other defects in its structure. It would be wise indeed to take the approach of those on the right and try to integrate all of the bridges faults, to prevent a disasterous failure of the bridge, before it occured. If the left were examining, the same bridge, each defect would be treated as an isolated and insignificant problem, and they would act surprised when this inadequate analysis eventually lead to collapse.

In reality, we do not check out bridges without integrating and studying all possible dangers. Why would we do anything less than that when examining Islamic Jihad?

Posted by: Jeff B. on July 30, 2006 07:38 AM
43. Hank,

OK yeah, I will go easy on Postal Workers, I was continuing an example from above. No offense to Postal Workers in general.

Posted by: Jeff B. on July 30, 2006 07:50 AM
44. enough already with the excuses--i don't see Buddhists doing this--nor Mennonites--the pattern is so freaking big and obvious; we politely (or fearfully) ignore "the fart in the church" at our own peril; crack down--now; there is a segment of society that needs watching--unfair, but brought on by their own kind; feel persecuted? too bad--ask an American German, Italian or Japanese here in ww2; it was unfair but nessecary for our survival;

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on July 30, 2006 07:55 AM
45. Jimmie, good points. People around here are stubbornly refusing to face the truth: the religion of Islam has declared war on the civilized world, and will stop at nothing to gain dominion. Their Koran exhorts them to slit the throats of non-Islamic people. Their Koran exhorts them to deceive unbelievers into a false sense of security.

Islam is a religion of murder, deceit, and thievery. Like no other religion, Islam calls for all unbelievers- man, woman, child, baby, whatever- to be slaughtered without mercy. No liberal quisling twit out there can present an argument that Islam is a peaceful religion without being proven a fool, because the Koran specifically teached these things. Bhuddism, Judaism and Christianity do not have a mandate for genocide in their scriptures.

Whenever another Islam-motivated outrage occurs, the media parades "moderate" Moslems who swear up and down that Islam is a peaceful religion and does not teach such things. That's a lie. The police department label it everything but what it really is. They call it a "hate crime" when it is really an act of terrorism.

Posted by: ERNurse on July 30, 2006 09:53 AM
46. "...nothing to indicate he is part of a larger organization," says FBI's Gomez.

The larger organization is islamic extremism. Haq was more than likely hearing the hatred, blame, and extremism in his social and religious circles. He certainly could have been reading it on any number of web sites. He could see the call to arms on CNN, in fact.

It was an act of terrorism. It was inspired by calls to action from jihadists. Officials shouldn't be out there persecuting innocent muslims, but in order to avoid more of this, they should stop screwing around with the hair-splitting word game.

Posted by: BananaLand on July 30, 2006 11:40 AM
47. Well, if he isn't tied to an organized terrorist group, but he still did it in the name of Islam, can we then call him an "enemy combatant?"

Posted by: Bob1 on July 30, 2006 04:56 PM
48. From personal experience, ivan feeeels it was a food allergy.
Too many bananas.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on July 30, 2006 08:45 PM
49. Of course Haq has a mental problem. It should be obvious to all. Dare I say what the problem is? If a Jew attacked a mosque, well I suppose he/she would be labeled a terrorist. A muslim man who shoots and kills Jews has a "mental problem."

Posted by: Betty Boop on July 31, 2006 07:39 AM
50. Matt, you are absolutely right!
The question though is how do we SCREAM this LOUD enough that it makes the news?
It makes me sick that the world has fallen to the DECEPTION and LIES used by the terrorist organizations through the media. This technique has spread a level of IGNORANCE throughout the general public that make things like this possible. YES THE ATTACK IN SEATTLE WAS TERRORISM according to most definitions of terrorism. YES launching over 3000 missles DELIBIRATELY and INTENTIONALLY directed at civilians is TERRORISM. World wake up!
Matt lets do something about it. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Check out more on this at www.technonllc.com/blog

Posted by: Joe on August 20, 2006 07:45 AM
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