July 26, 2006

Fortunately, I had finished my lunch when I came across this Seattle Times headline, which says that I should be eradicated.

Eradicate those who have put us in the Middle East

The headline was for a letter from a reader, Mark Lemmon.  The last paragraph, which apparently inspired the headline, reads as follows:

Yes, we Americans have our own problems: We need to weed out these neocons and their globalist conspirators!  It's wake-up time because the alternative is World War III.

For the benefit of the Seattle Times, I'll give the dictionary definition of eradicate from my American Heritage dictionary:

1. To tear up by the roots.  2. To get rid of as if by tearing up by the roots.

The Wicktionary definition has a similar first meaning, and an even harsher second meaning:

2. To completely destroy; to put an end to; to extirpate.

Luckily, as I said, I had finished lunch, so reading the letter didn't ruin my appetite.  But it did put me off a little to learn that Mark Lemmon, whom I have, to the best of my knowledge, never even met, wants me weeded out and, perhaps, eradicated.

Some might think that the examples of those who followed eradication policies during the 20th century — most notably Stalin, Hitler, and Mao — had discredited those policies, but apparently not.  (By the way, Mao was especially fond of comparing his opponents to weeds, who deserved to be eradicated.)

Cross posted at Jim Miller on Politics.

(It is not entirely clear to me just what Lemmon means by "neocon".  In this area, perhaps the simplest definition is that neoconservatives are followers of Henry M. Jackson, followers who left the Democratic party, when it moved to the left in foreign policy.  Since Senator Jackson was very popular in this state, Lemmon wishes to "weed out" many of his neighbors.  And the Seattle Times published a headline advocating the eradication of many of its readers.  Both seem impractical, as well as immoral.)

Update:  I sent a polite email to the editorial page editor, Jim Vesely, suggesting that he apologize for printing that letter, with that headline.  Here's his complete reply:

No thanks, I'll stick with our earlier decision and with the headline,  the dictionaries agree with our use of the words.

In a day or two, I may do a post comparing the rhetoric in the letter and in the headline to that used by some famous dictators.

Posted by Jim Miller at July 26, 2006 01:38 PM | Email This
1. Yet another shining example of liberal tolerance.

Let's eradicate liberal intolerance - hmmm.

Posted by: Jeffro on July 26, 2006 01:50 PM
2. It isn't 'wake up time' until even the dimmest recognize that all this _is_ WWIII.

Posted by: Al on July 26, 2006 01:57 PM
3. I guess I should be eradicated also. I will say that it IS wake-up time, because WWIII is already happening. It started on 9/11/2001!

Posted by: TrueSoldier on July 26, 2006 01:57 PM
4. Nekama's Troll Hammer over at LGF makes a great starting point for dealing with idiotarians like Lemmon.

Posted by: JCM on July 26, 2006 02:30 PM
5. He may not be a liberal, but a Buchananite paleocon who would welcome the eradication of the Jews. Problem for the paleos is that once the Jews are gone the jihad will be coming after them next.

Posted by: Nevada on July 26, 2006 02:38 PM
6. Someone send this guy a tinfoil hat! This letter to the editor is a gem. I especially enjoy the idea that the "neo-cons" and the "UN" are in cahoots. But this kook doesn't seem like a liberal. He seems much more like an isolationist Pat Buchanin wannabe. A different "flavor" of kook, if you will. The kind that thinks if you are concerned about America's interests in the middle east you are a "globalist."

Posted by: Sstarr on July 26, 2006 02:44 PM
7. I looked at the entire letters section that Jim Miller linked to.
I saw 1 letter that discussed the REAL cause of the current conflict in Israel (it's the "Neocon conspiracy").
Another tried to justify moral equivalency (and ignore history) by comparing "Palestine" to "Western Washington" and saying that Puget Sound residents would do just what the brave freedom fighters of Hezbollah do.
Another letter writer whined in anguish about how the rest of the world (or at least Australian liberals) would do things so much better than Bush in regards to the incredibly complex tangle of mess in Israel.
One letter was (probably) pro-Israel.

That's fair and balanced opinion publication, I suppose--or is it a mere token gesture by the Times?

Posted by: pseudotsuga on July 26, 2006 03:07 PM
8. People like Mark Lemmon can bluster and blow all they want about 'eradicating' certain groups, me or people who share my political opinion. These comments are so worn after years of threatening a revolution, they don't merit discussion anymore.

Start DOING something about it, Mark, and I'll pay attention. In the meantime, keep pounding your keyboard tough guy.

Posted by: jimg on July 26, 2006 03:23 PM
9. How horribly similiar to the rhetoric of pre-WW2. These people have no sense of history and how close we came to being taken over by German/Japanese interests. This is the same type of threat to world freedom, and maybe even more so, that was on the march in the late 1930's. The stupid pacifists/isolationists were vocal then, and fortunately proven to be wrong. The difference of yesterday vs today: Most of us, which included politicans & the media, were on the same page. We saw the threat and were a united front against it. France figured it out AFTER the German invasion. Which gives credence to the quote, "Those who pay no attention to history, are doomed to repeat it".

Posted by: Susu on July 26, 2006 03:25 PM
10. It is difficult for those on the left to grasp both the gravity of the situation that Western Civilization is facing, and the intricacies and history of human warfare. So, rather than try to understand the nuances, many on the left are quick to reduce the problem to childish simplicity. Mark Lemmon and those like him view the conflict as resolveable through what amounts to a "timeout." Or, it that doesn't work, through what amounts to separating the two sides as if this was a schoolyard altercation.

Diplomacy is reserved for rational men. We cannot expect to reach a diplomatic agreement with those who have expressly vowed to kill us. It makes no sense to negotiate when one side views the preferable outcome to be the eradication of the other. And thus, Mark Lemmon shows his true colors as ideologically aligned with the terrorists.

This is why humans have the concept of war. There are two moral imperatives for war. That it be quick and that it be decisive. In today's world, there is a false notion that war can be a measured affair. A notion that war is an absolute last resort, and that a defensive response can only be mounted after some extreme event forces one side to finally admit that it is at war with the other. This sense ignores the moral imperatives of war stated above, and it unnecessarily prolongs war and increases the human toll.

The proper and moral way for Israel to address those who believe she has no right to exist is to vigorously defend herself. And not just to the point of repelling the immediate agression, but to the point of breaking the will of the enemy such that it no longer considers eradication of Israel an end goal, or even a possibility. And, Israel must do so expediently. The sooner Israel develops the moral certitude to follow through with her fight, the sooner the conflict will finally reach a conclusion.

Those of us in the US would do well to study our own history and to support Israel with our own moral certitude. A good place to start is to read about General Sherman and how he broke the will of the south in the Civil War. Hint: he did not do it through diplomacy, as any Atlanta learned the hard way.

As Israel experiences today, we experience tomorrow. It's in our best interest to learn these lessons before we are faced with similar attacks on our own soil.

Posted by: Jeff B. on July 26, 2006 03:44 PM
11. Check this link out. They unearthed a book of Psalms that is dated 800-1000 AD in Ireland. When it was found it was opened to the 83 Psalm. Pretty intresting.


Posted by: TrueSoldier on July 26, 2006 04:20 PM
12. Just to be fair to Mr Lemmon, it's the newspaper that comes up with the wording of the headline over the letters not the letter writer himself.

Posted by: RBW on July 26, 2006 04:31 PM
13. I want to also put into the mix the following thoughts.
To Mark:
I have several questions I want you to answer.
1. If we leave the Middle East alone take all our troops out. Stop all Aid to any nation in the Middle East and North Africa. What would happen? Would we be left alone? Can we bury are head in the sand and ignore the millions yes millions of non moslems killed in the past decade in the Name of Allah.
2. If OSAMA ran the US what would be required of you to live? In English, If we were run by the Moslem leader would you be free to do what you do?
3. Lets say the neocons you so despise started suicide bombings in Seattle because they were suppressed and threatened. Would that be acceptable life style. Look at Israel they have had suicide bombings in their country since 2000. I am really surprised they can keep their cool because very few people in Israel has not had a friend or relative killed or injured.
Mark the bottom line is that it is the neocons that help keep freedom in the US. They fight for this country. They fight everyday to allow you to have a better life. Would you defend the US as well as the neocons do? I dont think so. Those who use politics to attack and weaken the US do no service to the future of this country.
Mark Remember we are at war. War kills people. Be glad it is happening in the Middle East instead of within the US. Because the terrorists want only one thing. All non moslems dead or slaves. That is what they are doing in North Africa. Why do you not think the same thing would not happen here?

Posted by: David Anfinrud on July 26, 2006 04:33 PM
14. Was that Vesely's complete response?
If so it doesn't make a lot of sense at any level.
What does "the dictionaries agree with our use of the words." mean?
I don't think your point was that the worsd were misused but that they were overly harsh and threatening.

Posted by: David Sucher on July 26, 2006 05:18 PM
15. Doesn't this qualify as a hate crime? Where's the prosecution?

Posted by: dl on July 26, 2006 05:30 PM
16. I love it when the faggy libs talk tough. They wrinkle up their little noses and scrunch up their beet-red faces. They clench their limp & moist little fists and let loose with a torrent of obscenities that would make a garbage-scow sailor wince.

Then I say "Molan Labe, Mofo" and they suddenly remember that they have somewhere else to be.

Thank God for the servicemen & women who fight to keep us safe! Pray that we never fall prey to liberals who would sell us down the river for a moments personal gratification (remember slick?).

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 26, 2006 06:06 PM
17. Appease the terrorist - sit down and have tea and crumpets but eradicate the Neo-cons. Send this jackass to Beirut, then Mogadishu and give him a quick education of the reality that exists out there.

Oh, by the way - Mark the Islamofascists want to kill you, unless you submit to Islam and pray to Allah five times/day.

Posted by: KS on July 26, 2006 09:09 PM
18. I, for one, we are on the road to becoming french. I still like french bread, french fries, french kisses and french toast. Most of the rest is just too stupid to live.

Posted by: JT on July 26, 2006 09:29 PM
19. I, for one, believe we are on the road to becoming french. I still like french bread, french fries, french kisses and french toast. Most of the rest is just too stupid to live.

Posted by: JT on July 26, 2006 09:30 PM
20. It is so simple to toss the word "eradicate" around and it reminds me of the following:

First They Came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemoller

Posted by: john425 on July 27, 2006 08:04 AM
21. The letter writer is just another confused moonbat or buchananite.

The editor at the Seattle Times is the villain here.

Posted by: noah on July 29, 2006 07:47 AM
22. john425: If I speak out at all, when they come for the MSM and the liberal left, I'll be reciting their crimes.

Posted by: Bob Young on July 29, 2006 08:03 AM
23. Then there's the infamous line to the effect that "you and your child are not 'human' to me". Anyone see a pattern yet?

Posted by: Robert Crawford on July 29, 2006 08:25 AM
24. No real objection to the tenor of comments here, other than to claim that it's WW4 that we're in now. We finally won WW3 around 1990. That's not just a technicality, because I think it highlights how the wars are changing over time, and how much of an information, economic, and propaganda war this is. Hitler defeated much of Western Europe through propaganda and intimidation, though he was eventually pushed back by conventional means. The war against the Soviet Union was won economically - the conventional military and propaganda wars were a stalemate, due to the West's inability to recognize what was happening.

Our military and economic dominance in WW4 is enormous. But we lag terribly in the propaganda and information facets, by our own fault.

Posted by: Assistant Village Idiot on July 29, 2006 09:10 AM
25. I'm often left awestruck by the fact that many leftists believe that merely baptizing themselves with the word "liberal" means that they are unquestionably tolerant and free of bigotry. In reality, many members of the left practice a kind of intolerance that is only rivaled by true Neo-Nazis (not poser soccer hooligans), and toothless, cultist members of backwoods Idaho militias. Let's not forget that it was American progressives who advocated the Hitler-esque Eugenics program of the early 1900's, and I can't help but see many reflections of that same haughty bigotry in today's intolerant left.

I've written a three-part post that documents many cases of liberal intolerance, and the methodology and psychology of the liberal left that explains their soft bigotry of low expectations and their hatred of any socio-political dissent. You can access it by clicking on my Name/URL below:

Posted by: Granddaddy Long Legs on July 29, 2006 09:25 AM
26. I think this probably points to the observation summed up with a bumpersticker I've seen around; "Yeehaw! is not a foreign policy."

Do you have to be nuts to be a terrorist? Frankly, I think the answer to that is "duh."

On the other hand, if there are policies and statements from people closely assoiciated with the current administration that would lead a moderately unstable person to belive that there might be a conspiracy against those sharing his religion, it might just happen that a few might be nutty enough to do something appallingly stupid.

It's even more likely if there happens to be a dead cousin, brother, sister or nephew involved - and the odds of that exact thing happening increase with every instance of "collateral damage."

And yes, I do blame neo-con philosophy in part, for it's hopeless naievte' and it's belief that trying to dicksize the entire world could possibly have a GOOD outcome. I'm also bemused that anyone thinks - especially the "good christians" amoung the warhawks - that their views and expressed distain for "jihadists" and "ragheads" would be ignored by the US islamic community.

As freakin' if.

And yes, McVeigh is an example of what happens when good christian jehadists get their panties in a knot.

The best way to deal with terrorism is to not stampede the foolish. That means not adding to the general level of terror to start with.

At this point in time, if you are dusky of hue, islamic by persuasion or heritage and have even a rational level of paranoia - you probably do think that the US is out to get you, and given all the current events in the news, it might not be entirely unreasonable to assume the US is the proxy of Israel.

I mean, were you an unsophisticated person with no deep appreciation for the nuances of realpolitic.

Like 99.9% of the people of the world. And while I consider myself a partial exception, that would change if my house blew up or a relative disappeared into Gitmo or Abu Grabass.

So stop spinning and whining, fingerpointing and blaming 'liberals' for this situation, or for charactorizing it as being your fault. If you identify as neocon, it is, in part. This situation is the result of sheer, childish hubris, and while liberals are as suceptable to that as anyone, they didn't have a say in it.

The extreme right-wing spent twenty years or more maneuvering, gladhanding, misrepresenting, lying, cheating, bribing and sleazing their way into power. Oh, Newt would put it differently, I'm sure, but he wouldnt argue that there was a Plan.

Well, it worked. Congraulations. Here you are. Y'all were DELIGHTED to finally be in the situation to cure all the ills that decend from tenderhearted liberal concerns about coddling the undersrving and refraining from "firm and direct responses."

So, how's that been working out for you so far?

Posted by: Bob King on July 29, 2006 10:02 AM
27. It's working just fine.

IT would be working even better if not for cowardly, head~in~the~sand (if not up their arses) pieces of shiite liberals like you working so hard to sell out our country.

And no McVeigh was not an "example of what happens when good christian (sic) jehadists (sic) get their panties in a knot". McVeigh wasn't even a practicing Christian, much less one working within an organized group with a pre-existing agenda.

Whatta (sic) dumbass!

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 29, 2006 10:20 AM
28. Hey Bob, how about you start paying attention to the centuries-old ideology of Muslim supremacism, and stop worrying about those who oppose it? Just take a look at what often passes for news and scholarship in much of the Muslim world, and you'll wonder if you're reading Der Sturmer.

Posted by: pst314 on July 29, 2006 10:46 AM
29. Great, now this has made it to Totalfark.com

Posted by: H Moul on July 29, 2006 12:09 PM
30. What do you know about Tim McVeigh that your government didn't tell you, Bob? Eh?

I love it when a "liberal" tries to argue that you can't trust the government and then parrots the "official line" about OKC.

Wake me up when he gets to the part about John Doe #2.

That Oklahoma FBI. What a laugh riot. Next, Bob, you'll be telling me that Joel Hinrichs was just depressed and his bomb packed with shrapnel was meant only for him... because that's what the government said!

Posted by: w3 on July 29, 2006 12:11 PM
31. I understand why everyone is upset and indignant. After all, when Ann Coulter suggested that John Walker Lindh should be killed to intimidate liberals so that they would know they could also be killed everyone here came out against such language, I'm sure. Or perhaps Ann's suggestion that Timothy McVeigh should have bombed the New York Times building caused you to become justifiably outraged. Certainly when Rush Limbaugh said that we should hunt down all the liberals but leave a few behind, I know you were incensed.

How does it feel to know that the tide might be turning and the rhetoric of yesterday is coming back to haunt you today?

If you find that question a little disturbing, how do you feel about the idea of a Democratically controlled congress starting up a series of investigations into this lunacy we have been experiencing for the last five years? How about the excitement of having a Democrat elected President in 2008 who will have all the powers this administration subverted for the executive branch? I'm guessing you are hoping those liberals will be tolerant. Maybe, just maybe, we have learned something significant from you all.

How's your appetite now?

Posted by: Ken on July 29, 2006 02:08 PM
32. My appetite is just fine, thank you.

Part of it comes from the satisfaction found in the secure knowledge that the Dhimmicrat party has so fractured itself, has so radicalized itself, that I will likely never see another one elected to POTUS in my lifetime.

Rhetoric is rhetoric. BS is BS. BFD. Both parties indulge in each from time to time. What matters is when the rubber meets the road. In the WOT the Dhimmicrats are AWOL (which is fine because I hate to see so many weasels with crappy-pants scurrying around!).

BTW: How do you torture the recent events into a tide turning against anyone except appeasers and apologists like you?

Are you new...or just really really dense?!

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 29, 2006 02:23 PM
33. Ah, the Liberal Bashing Industry gets a taste of its own medicine.

Pity you guys turned out to be a bunch of pusillanimous ninnies.

Oh yes, the tide will turn. I was in a Southern Evangelican mega-church last Sunday--the message? "Are you tired of being told to hate your neighbor?"

There he was, on the enormous screen, telling 50,000 worshippers (who vote) that he was tired of being pandered to by the corrupt.

How secure is your knowledge now?

Chesley Dean Patrick

Posted by: Bilge Prophet on July 29, 2006 02:32 PM
34. Why AS, (Can I call you AS?) how nice of you to respond in such a polite and respectful manner.

Perhaps you've noticed that Republicans are leaving your party in droves even though it isn't the numbers that are all that significant, it is knowing that this administration has only won the last two elections by the slimmest or margins and a desertion rate of perhaps 1/2 of one percent will send you all down the tubes.

Speaking of dense, how about telling us how this war in Iraq will only cost us a maximum of a billion and a half? I love that one. Did you forget the line "They will welcome us as liberators with flowers and candy" when you were watching the "weasels with crappy-pants scurrying around" or something?

I will agree with you that both parties have their share of outright lunatics and for the life of me how John Kerry was ever picked to run against George Bush I will never understand. I believe we can both agree that this last election was more of a "Hollywood Squares" election with people taking one or another candidate (almost evenly divided) to block the other.

Is this the best we can do? Has America really turned into a group of weasels with crappy-pants scurrying around? I guess we'll just have to wait until November to find out, won't we? After the choices are, we can stay the same (great plan!) or try anything else.

I'll go with the latter.

Thanks you for the intelligent and well articulated discourse.

And, yes, I am new here - thanks for asking.

Posted by: Ken on July 29, 2006 02:37 PM
35. Gosh golly ken, you are new! You are welcome...oh wait...you're trying to be sarcastic! Nice attempt there!

Welcome to the real world. Pull up your big-boy pants and join it! If you can't keep up, I would suggest that you not try to set the tone only to complain later.

Show me where "...Republicans are leaving your party in droves...". Dissatisfaction and squabbling in the parties is normal and outside the election cycle totally expected. We'll see how it shakes out in November.

As to your other crap, it shows that you can drink the liberal kool-aid, but nothing beyond that (other than a complete lack of originallity ;'}

"Has America really turned into a group of weasels with crappy-pants scurrying around?" No, America hasn't, but Dhimmicrats certainly have!

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 29, 2006 04:06 PM
36. Doubt this will get published on a blog so accepting of others' opinions, but it's worth noting that the author has Godwin'd himself on the very first page. Bravo, sir... I believe that sets a new record

Posted by: Anonymous on July 29, 2006 05:28 PM
37. AS said,

"Gosh golly ken, you are new!" Oh, you're a smart one, I can tell already.

Then AS said,

"You are welcome...oh wait...you're trying to be sarcastic! Nice attempt there!" Very AStute of you. :-)

Following up on that last witticism AS said,

"Welcome to the real world." This is the real world - Wow, it's not muck like what was advertised but you all never were into "Truth in Advertising" were you?

"Pull up your big-boy pants and join it!" Why, thank you, I don't mind if I do.

"If you can't keep up, I would suggest that you not try to set the tone only to complain later." Well there's a challenge, but judging from the fact you ignored every point about Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh that I brought up I don't foresee too much difficulty. Surprise me, though, will you?

Show me where "...Republicans are leaving your party in droves...".
Absolutely! Please pardon the links to the Godless Liberal Media, but let's see...

Web traffic down for Drudge, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly. but that's probably just more lies, right?

And nothing says party loyalty like making sure you don't publicly mention the Republican Party name, right?

Of course, you specifically asked about Republicans abandoning their party in droves, right? MSM to the rescue - again.

Perhaps, if you didn't get your news from a company that admitted in court that they had no obligation to tell the truth because they provide entertainment. No worries there, right?

"Dissatisfaction and squabbling in the parties is normal and outside the election cycle totally expected. We'll see how it shakes out in November." This, we can agree on. And to be quite frank with you I think the Republicans just might retain control of both house of Congress - but it will be a narrower margin and many will shift back toward the center. I could be wrong though.

"As to your other crap, it shows that you can drink the liberal kool-aid, but nothing beyond that (other than a complete lack of originallity ;'}"

Let me see if I understand you. My originality is being criticized by a child that makes up names like Dhimmicrats? What do you really think anyone respects that level of discourse? You are kidding right? RIGHT?

Has America really turned into a group of weasels with crappy-pants scurrying around? No, America hasn't, but Dhimmicrats certainly have!"

If you are trying to tell us we have you to save us we are all in a pile of bullhockey and I would bet if we caught you in an honest moment (rare, I know but still possible) you'd be the first one to admit it too!

By the way, when can we expect that Iraq plan that was so skillfully executed to start turning the corner? We've turned so many corners I feel like this is a NASCAR race.

Oh, and have a marginally tepid day. :-)

Posted by: Ken on July 29, 2006 05:41 PM
38. Nice work, Hezbollah thanks you. Jews are good people and do not deserve to be set upon by liberal newsmen who think they are above the law, above decency and above morality.

Posted by: Gene on July 29, 2006 05:53 PM
39. TO: Jim Miller
RE: Ack Tso!

"No thanks, I'll stick with our earlier decision and with the headline, the dictionaries agree with our use of the words." -- Editor at the Seattle Times, as cited by Jim Miller

Seems like the Seattle Times is 'all for' genocide, if I'm reading your blog entry properly.

Interesting. I guess there is genocide and then there is justifiable eradication.

Jim Veseley sounds like a reincarnation of Herman Goebbels. Either that or he graduated suma cum lauda at the Goebbels School of Journalism.



Posted by: Chuck Pelto on July 29, 2006 06:02 PM
40. TO: Ken
RE: The Namming of Names

"Dhimmicrats" -- Ken

I LIKE it! Veeeery cle[a]ver.



Posted by: Chuck Pelto on July 29, 2006 06:21 PM
41. Having battled Dallas grass for several years, I, for one, have to admit a grudging respect for the author of the Letter in the Seattle newspaper and his willingness to return to first principles. Extirpating the Bermuda and St. Augustine and leaving a monoculture of Dallas grass, priceless! Bush and the neocons are engaged in a kind of sumo wrestling match with the Iranians. The first party to get thrown out of the ring and do something naughty so as to get back in would excite the displeasure of the European audience who, having been won over, would ensure victory in the match. After all, as I have commented elsewhere, the Europeans go the church of 'balance of states preserves peace.' Just because your pins are on a lane at the 'Iranian bowling palace' is "no reason to get excited" so long as the bowling balls are going down other lanes. So without the neocons, the Europeans and our man in Seattle could sleep nights. And as for the Jews, as 'our man' would admit, they are historically the object of religious innuendos but one thing you can say about them is, with all there hyperventilating, they do consume a lot of oxygen. In a situation of "scarcity" that is not good. Why I myself wonder sometimes if I haven't been a victim of 'acid rain.'

Posted by: michael on July 29, 2006 06:26 PM
42. No kenny-boy, it's not muck (sic) like what was advertised (in your mind). It's muck muck worse.

ken, you dumba$$, you failed miserably at your feeble attempt to prove your assertion about "...Republicans are leaving your party in droves..." (no surprise there) so you wisely changed subjects to what you hoped would me more fertile ground. Alas, you crash & burn again!

"If you are trying to tell us we have you to save us we are all in a pile of bullhockey and I would bet if we caught you in an honest moment (rare, I know but still possible) you'd be the first one to admit it too!"

No kenny-boy. Truth is I wouldn't cross the street to p!ss on you if you were on fire. Quite to the contrary, I look forward to seeing simpering idiots like you reap the rewards you so richly deserve. How's that for truth?

Plain fact is, you were best served to quit at your answer that yes, you're new (a rather obvious acknowledgement of #2 as well as #1).

Thanks for the chuckle...

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 29, 2006 09:23 PM
43. ASS, (I'll ASSume you won't mind if I degenerate into the childish name calling you are so adept at - well not really but it looks like you can use all the ego stroking I can spare out of pity)

"No kenny-boy, it's not muck (sic) like what was advertised (in your mind). It's muck muck worse."

OH NOES! I had a spelling mistake - like I couldn't find any errors - grammatical or otherwise in your beautifully written prose.

"ken, you dumba$$, you failed miserably at your feeble attempt to prove your assertion about "...Republicans are leaving your party in droves..." (no surprise there) so you wisely changed subjects to what you hoped would me more fertile ground. Alas, you crash & burn again!"

You should keep believing that. In fact, I would like you to consider something I know will be near and ear to your heart - Faith Based Voting. In an effort to prove to us liberals that God is on your I understand the conservative movement (strange you spend, spend, spend, bigger government and more government intrusion in Americans lives would try to call yourself "Conservatives") have decided to stay home on election day and vote by prayer. I look forward to being thoroughly rebuked at the polls by this method and also know that, as God is my witness, I will never have to think about politics in the same manner again.

"No kenny-boy. Truth is I wouldn't cross the street to p!ss on you if you were on fire. Quite to the contrary, I look forward to seeing simpering idiots like you reap the rewards you so richly deserve. How's that for truth?"

I love truth. Absolutely! By the way, I wouldn't ask you to cross the street to do anything for me, I tend to believe in Personal Responsibility - something I would have to guess is a foreign concept to you. And I also look forward to "seeing simpering idiots like you reap the rewards you so richly deserve" even though Mr. Lemmon seems to think we should weed you all out, you interpret that to mean eradicate I think we should hold you up to the world in all your shining glory and let you stand on your own two feet for once. That should be funny.

By the way, equating "weed out' to "eradicate" (to someone who actually understands the English language) is comparable to using word "incinerating someone" when what you were trying to say was that the boss was "firing someone" but don't let your grasp of those big words we elite educated liberals use scare you off. After all, nothing says qualified like a third grade education and the command of our native language to match, right ASS?

"Plain fact is, you were best served to quit at your answer that yes, you're new (a rather obvious acknowledgement[sic] of #2 as well as #1)."

Hey, thanks for the advice! Of course, my parents (Good Reagan Conservatives, the both of them) always taught me to not take advice from strangers and that the best people to get advice from were the once I had respect for. You are a stranger (and seem exponentially stranger with every post) and I certainly do not respect you - you are a hateful, blithering idiot with no real expectation of ever improving.

On the good side, with the way technology is increasing at an ever-increasing rate, you will be virtually worthless and begging us liberals to up your welfare benefits so you can eat in a few years. Maybe then we can decide that the welfare experiment was a failure and delegate you to those faith based charities I am sure you believe so much in answering the needs of the poor.

"Thanks for the chuckle..."

Wish I could say the same but kindergarten humor is so boring. I'll bet you get that a lot from your friends. Ah, who am I kidding, you have no friends, just people that agree with you to your face and snicker as they stab you behind the back.

Here's a little something for you to ponder over.

I remember when Richard Nixon won the Presidential Election way back when. There were the NIXON - Now More Than Ever bumper stickers plastered all over the back bumpers of his supporters' cars.

Strangely, I couldn't find very many of them in 1975, I wonder why? Could it be that this is the same reason that the very same thing is happening to all those Bush/Cheney bumper stickers that are now rarer than a William F. Buckley conservative at a Republican rally?

Everything comes in cycles there Sparky, the hippies came and went, the Reagan conservatives came and went and now it is your turn.

Bye Bye.

Posted by: Ken on July 30, 2006 04:55 AM
44. Poor Ken,

Your "Web traffic decreasing" alarm is a press release, dear, not a news report. Press releases will say whatever the author wants it to say. In this case, your press release comes from a group promoting two websites: a politics site and a data mining site.

Now, I went to alexa myself to see about this trend you think is occurring in 'right wing' media versus the 'left wing' and I have some bad news for you. I had an idea that maybe there was some spin involved, but I did not think this press release had provable lies in it. I was wrong.

The press release says that traffic at moveon.org "is up 13 percent in the same period [as foxnews.com shows a decline of 13 percent]." Ehhhh no, not really. http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=3m&size=medium&compare_sites=&y=r&url=moveon.org#top

Acutally, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, moveon is looking at something close to a 50% decline.

Fox news for the same period? Comparatively steady: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=foxnews.com

Townhall? Very steady. They have almost the same traffic they had 6 months ago:

Now I don't want to worry you, Ken, but you ought to take a little gander at this graph, since we're being all factual. DailyKos is in big trouble, and you're the one that says traffic to political sites spells big trouble for the wing they claim to be under:


50% decline in 6 months? Wait a minute. Is that another liberal site that has seen a 50% decline in 6 months? Goodness me.

Now to address Drudge. Drudge is a news site, not a right wing politics site. Additionally, Drudge rarely provides commentary. Sometimes he will break stories ahead of the cycle, but mostly he acts as an aggregator or portal. Well I don't know if you've noticed, but over the last year, Drudge has started to get competition. Plus, I don't know why he'd be considered "right wing." Just because he broke the Monica story? Sheesh. If you insist on lumping him with the conservatives, he's like in the top 100 sites, though. Who's the Drudge of the left?

Now I could get into Fox News "entertaining" us by lying but then that would gloss over CBS Memogate and the manufacture of documents that don't exist. And I really don't want to go there because I know that whole ordeal is very embarassing for the Bush haters. I don't need a court case to tell me CBS lies to its viewers. I have this:


Your "abandoning GOP" story doesn't say what you claim. It's just another report on opinon polls, which, have changed since the story you posted was written.

I refute you because you're wrong and I don't want you to go into some form of BDS after November doesn't get you what you want. This is for your own good.

Oh no, it just gets worse for Ken:
Bill O'Reilly up for the year:
Ann Coulter?

Curious Ken, which of these graphs would you say better describes the trend of readership at Huffington Post? This?
Or this?

Make refuting you a little more challenging next time. Thanks.

Posted by: w3 on July 30, 2006 05:41 AM
45. Okay, now that lying troll Ken has been dealt with, back to "Eradicate those who have put us in the Middle East": Remember Dutch politician Pym Fortuyn? The libertarian? Who was murdered by a Green Party member? After the left-dominated press had spent many months demonizing Fortuyn as a neo-Nazi racist?

Posted by: pst314 on July 30, 2006 07:40 AM
46. pst314 - Sure, I remember Pym Fortuyn. He's a good example of how intemperate speech by the drive-by media can (and does) lead to tragedy and underscores the criminal negligence that the slimes blithely perpetuates.

IIRC the party membership of Fortuyn's murderer was never shown to be anything but ancillary to his deed, but his death was nonetheless described as a political assassination.

A former Communist and Social-Democrat (this alone probably makes ken all warm and squishy inside!) Fortuyn formed his own political party when ousted from his duties as Lijsttrekker (top party official) for his statements about islam and moslem immigrants. He was assassinated on May 6, 2002 by Volkert van der Graaf, a leftist nutburger. His crime? He decried moslems for refusing to assimilate into Dutch society. He deplored the crime that moslems brought to Holland. he advocated suspension of moslem immigration unless & until they could be persuaded to act like civilized adults.

It's interesting to note that this guy was a hard-leftist and was murdered by.....a hard-leftist! It is also notable that van der Graaf chose to shoot Fortuyn in the back - I'm sure that kenny-boy can identify with that. He received a sentence of 18 years for his crime.

I'll use wackypedia as a source so that bed-wetters like kenny-boy won't feeeeeeeeeel left out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn

"Fortuyn proposed that all people who already resided in the Netherlands would be able to stay, but he emphasized the need of the immigrants to adopt the Dutch society's consensus on human rights as their own. He said "If it were legally possible, I'd say no more Muslims will get in here", claiming that the influx of Muslims would threaten freedoms in the liberal Dutch society. He thought Muslim culture had never undergone a process of modernization and therefore still lacked acceptance of democracy and women's, gays', lesbians' and minorities' rights, and feared it would dismiss the Dutch legal system in favour of the shari'a law.

One of Fortuyn's fears was of pervasive intolerance in the Muslim community. In a televised debate in 2002, "Fortuyn baited the Muslim cleric by flaunting his homosexuality. Finally the imam exploded, denouncing Fortuyn in strongly anti-homosexual terms. Fortuyn calmly turned to the camera and, addressing viewers directly, told them that this is the kind of Trojan horse of intolerance the Dutch are inviting into their society in the name of multiculturalism".

The nation of islam is unhinged and imbeciles like ken are too stupid to realize that they are prime targets. Events in recent history including the tragic shootings in Seattle last week should be a call~to~arms to all of us. Unfortunately we conservatives are going to have to drag cowardly morons like kenny-boy out of the fire once again because they are just too damn dim to protect themselves...

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 30, 2006 10:51 AM
47. Liberals are correct in their only essential point . . .
if you refuse to defend yourself against attack from your enemies . . . all of your problems will cease.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on July 30, 2006 11:09 AM
48. Oh, and Granddaddy Long Legs - kudos are overdue. Yours is an excellent series and recommended reading for all (kenny-boy, your steel-trap mind is incapable of original thought. You are excused)

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 30, 2006 11:19 AM
49. "He's a good example of how intemperate speech by the drive-by media can (and does) lead to tragedy"

Well, I disagree that it was intemperate [reckless] speech, but rather a conscious and deliberate effort to demonize him. And therefore those who demonized him should be regarded as complicit in his murder.

Posted by: pst314 on July 31, 2006 07:52 PM
50. I think it's great that the lefturds are so bold in stating their position; it makes it easier to justify mass executions when the time comes. It's ironic that they are working hand in hand with the muslims to destroy our society, but that they don't realize that when that day comes when We the People have had enough of their shit, and the government can no longer restrain us by force, it's going to be game over for them, and we'll decorate the light poles and overpasses with them like obscence Christmas ornaments. Not soon enough.

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