July 10, 2006
The root causes of out-of-control federal spending

P-I: "Sound Transit asks U.S. for more rail extension money"

Sound Transit has increased its request for federal money to help it extend passenger rail service to the University of Washington ... It originally asked for $700 million in federal grant money but increased it partly based on what other systems received.
Sen. Patty Murray takes much of the dubious credit for federal Sound Transit subsidies. I'd be interested in hearing the positions of both Sen. Cantwell and Mike McGavick on federal funding for Sound Transit light rail.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at July 10, 2006 10:11 AM | Email This
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1. Especially McGavick. Is he really against boondoggles? Rail systems financially are a bottomless pit.

Posted by: Commentator on July 10, 2006 10:46 AM
2. What projects such as these things really are is devices by which money is transferred to politicians, they have nothing at all to do with providing efficient transportation throughout the Region.

Take the Tacoma Link Light Rail for instance, as originally sold to the public in the Sound Move vote. Riders were to pay a fare to board and ride, but being as the majority Tacoma and Pierce County's political elites are either invested in or have family members or close business associates who are invested in the condo developments happening along the Light Rail Corridor these same politicians (headed up by John Ladenburg) hatched a scheme to do away with any fare-box participation in the cost of the service. In doing so, these same Tacoma and Pierce County politicians add "FREE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION!" as a selling point to their project and are able to charge more for each unit. When you add ten years of tax abatement (effectively letting the purchasers of these $5,00,000 plus units free load off the rest of the residents of Tacoma for their fire protection, police, solid waste, their share of the Port of Tacoma tax, and on and on into infinitum) this adds up to a tidy "profit" for the investors. Unfortunately the average voter in the Puget Sound area lacks sufficient intellectual firepower to burn toast, recognizing these schemes for what they are goes far beyond what they are capable of.

Posted by: JDH on July 10, 2006 11:50 AM
3. Keep in mind that Sound Transit intends to keep imposing its sales tax at the current rate for the same number of years whether or not the FTA gives it $700M, $750M, or $0. In that sense the size of any additional FTA New Start grant is irrelevant.

In 1996 voters were told by ST that once the 10-year construction period was up the sales tax rate would drop (if voters did not approve an additional construction phase). The ten years is up.

Last year ST passed a bond sales resolution containing tax covenants obliging it to collect the sales tax for 25 additional years at the current .4% rate. We got reamed last year by those appointees of the Executives of King, Snohomish and Pierce Counties.

Sound Transit did exactly what Seattle Monorail did - it mislead the voters, and then once it got taxing authority all pretexts dropped away and the taxing plans skyrocketed in scope.

The same plans for deceiving voters are underway for the integrated RTID/ST2 proposal that will be on the November 2007 ballot. The same politicians and law firms are behind each of these stand-alone transportation governments. These appointed-board governments provide enormous wealth and power to those few, and they are designed to be impervious to any checks or balances after they win the single vote that authorizes more taxes.

Best efforts must be utilized to defeat the RTID/ST2 proposal in 2007. There are worthy projects that will be in that measure (eg, 520 replacement), but RTID/ST2 needs to be defeated in order to force the legislature to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Posted by: Allen Smithie on July 10, 2006 11:59 AM
4. Smell that? That's bales and bales of your tax dollars burning. Rail transit fantasies are continually late and over budget, and they cannot meet operational expectiations because there is no way they can compete with the more convenient and ubiquitous system of roads. Rail only makes sense in very dense corridors, implemented cautiously and conservatively over decades. And any rail implementation must take into consideration the realities of the current road based transportation system.

Utopian politicians, having spent far too much time safely out touch with the real world that is the private sector, actually believe in their trains to nowhere.

To the rest of us, that just means burning money.

Posted by: Jeff B. on July 10, 2006 12:04 PM
5. Let's see... that's the $2.2 Billion, 21 mile long Sound Transit scum we're talking about, right? Not the current, $4 Billion, 14 mile long Sound Transit.

Posted by: Hinton on July 10, 2006 12:06 PM
6. Welcome to looney tooney country folks -- that whole sound transit crap - who the 'ell will be commuting between the airport and the university -- via the overcrowded sterile downtown -- what a vile stench - what - hold a sec -- oh yeh! that's right -- the dam thing isn't even gonna get to the airport -- hey -- dim bulbs murray, sims, nichols, et al -- forget the 700 mil and go for 90 mil for the South Park bridge more people and commerce flows over that bridge in a day than will ever ride the dam trains to nowhere - ding-a-ling.

Posted by: Bill on July 10, 2006 12:35 PM
7. So let's see. I need to get to the airport from my home on the Eastside...

Option 1), walk 1/4 mile to the closest bus stop with two suitcases and a carry-on. Board the bus, find a place for my luggage (at least the buses are mostly empty), ride 45 minutes to the downtown ST station. Get off the bus, haul my luggage to the ST train, find a place to store it, hope they don't get stolen, and ride 44 minutes to the airport. Get off the train, haul my luggage to the check-in counter.

Option 2), drive 20 minutes to a ST station in Seattle, haul my luggage around, hope it doesn't get stolen along the way, and take a 44 minute ride to the airport. Get off the train, haul my luggage to the check-in counter.

Option 3), drive 20 minutes to the airport, and move my luggage from the car to the curbside check-in.

Even a stuck-on-stupid liberal can figure out which option is more convenient. The train is not about convenience, it's all about politicians spending OUR tax money to benefit themselves, their family and their friends.

Posted by: Obi-Wan on July 10, 2006 01:12 PM
8. Hinton - your figures above for how much in taxes Sound Transit will collect are WAY low. Sound Move (1996) in Table 2 said that $1.98B in taxes would be needed for the entire light rail, commuter rail, and HOV lane system. ST has collected about that much by now. Plus, it will collect 25 more years of the sales tax at its current rate (per the 2005 bond sales resolution tax covenants).

The growth rate of that sales tax revenue last year ('04-'05) was 8.2%. Assuming a 5.75% growth rate of the sales tax for the next 25 years, ST will take in over $13 Billion in additional sales tax revenues. I have not present-valued that figure here, but that should give you an idea of the degree to which the people of this region will be impacted because of the "yes" vote on the RTA in 1996.

And the ST trains will provide service that is of marginal social utility, at best. Truly unfortunate, and an abject lesson.

Posted by: Eelgrass on July 10, 2006 01:29 PM
9. The "The root causes of out-of-control federal spending" is the same as it has always been:

Politicians spending from the public treasury to buy votes and reelection.

Any actual benefit to the public or constitutionality is purely coincidental.

Posted by: SouthernRoots on July 10, 2006 02:56 PM
10. Actually the root cause is people looking to Government as their "Savior." Republican zealots are just as culpable as the Democrat faithful. Staunch Republicans commonly recognize secular humanism as the religion of the left, which it is. What they fail to observe is that they too worship a political promise to deliver what they see as the salvation of the world. Both are equally untenable.

Posted by: JDH on July 10, 2006 03:29 PM
11. Just wait until the whole taxing how many miles you drive gets the nod here in Washington like they are "testing" in Oregon. Then the D's will claim they need even more money for rail due to the fact that less people will be driving to avoid the mileage tax.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on July 10, 2006 03:46 PM
12. Obi-Wan >> my sentiments exactly -- except that ST does not go all the way to the airport -- you will still have to transfer to a bus to get the last mile.

Posted by: Bill on July 10, 2006 03:51 PM
13. Obi-Wan you forgot to mention in option two to hope that your car doesn't get stolen also.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on July 10, 2006 04:15 PM
14. Anyone know what it costs to leave your car at the airport for 10 days? Seriously, I'll need to consider it soon. Otherwise, I will walk a 1/4 mile to the bus station.

Posted by: CandrewB on July 10, 2006 06:42 PM
15. CandrewB,

Take the SuperShuttle and a book (I recommend "Eat the Rich" by P.J. O'Rourke -- especially for this occasion).
$30 - $40 or so and well worth every nickle (not counting the book).

Posted by: Amused by liberals on July 10, 2006 07:14 PM
16. CandrewB

I would park at an off airport lot. They are pretty secure and you can get them around 8.95 a day. There are a couple of them that actually use the vallet parking of a hotel in the area so it is pretty nice.

Posted by: TrueSoldier on July 10, 2006 07:30 PM
17. McGavick will have to thread the needle to get elected. He cannot be totally forthcoming
because our area lacks an electorate with the vision necessary to descriminate between $hit and shinola.

Whatever McGavick says about Federal spending, he will not abandon America in time of war.
That alone is more than enough reason to kick Cantwell's ass the hell out of there by electing McGavick.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on July 10, 2006 08:28 PM
18. The roads are in bad need of repair and will remain that way, if Sound Transit gets its way. No wonder people don't trust government around here - ST was to local government what Watergate was to Federal Government (maybe a slight exaggeration).

Arizona's roads are in wonderful condition - know why ? Because there is no rathole like Sound Transit for local Government to pour money down and roads can keep up with the growing population, which is growing faster than here. I predict in 50 years, Sound Transit will still fall far short of meeting expectations while Sims and Nickels push up daisies and make more fertilizer.

Posted by: KS on July 10, 2006 08:56 PM
19. All those down on rail should see the P-I today. Ridership on the Sounder up 43 percent. That's a growth rate any GOP fat cat can relate to.

Posted by: DCExPat on July 11, 2006 11:35 AM
20. Wowee. Up 43% from 6000+% percent below par and profitability. As a GOP "fat cat", I can relate to
that, my bank approves loans on those odds every day. They are chafing at the bit to loan me money on projects
where there is absolutely no possibility of a successful return on investment.

Even though the system will never work,
CExPat and his/her ilk don't mind paying the difference so . . . who are we to complain?

Democrats are morons.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on July 12, 2006 10:30 AM
21. nice try stefan. the root cause of out of control federal spending is that we have spineless politicians who lard up the federal budget and a spineless president who refuses to exercise the veto power. it's that simple.

Posted by: dinesh on July 12, 2006 02:02 PM
22. And, based on your history at Soundpolitics, you would be an authority on the subject of spineless-ness...

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 12, 2006 06:10 PM
23. Nothing like a brain dead communist moron like Dinesh to tell us all about politics and economics.

Posted by: Amused by liberals on July 12, 2006 07:06 PM
24. you guys are idiots. just punch republican and turn off your brain. it's a wonder you guys can operate a computer.

look your loverboys in the party have screwed up royally. you guys don't have the integrity and honesty to admit it. so you slag other people.

you are in love with a bunch of liars, unprincipled, big govt, wasteful, bible thumping hypocrites. ah, it all makes sense to me now. it's like looking in the mirror for you guys.

Posted by: dinesh on July 13, 2006 09:15 AM
25. goo-goo-bajoob dinesh

Posted by: alphabet soup on July 13, 2006 11:31 AM
26. Hey soup,

Moron dinesh in righteous indignation over perceived slights from you and I recently insisted that he wasn't going to engage us ever again and here he is all fuming and upset drooling and wailing with silly nonsensical ad hominem(s).

Boring and repetitive nonsense. Somebody should tell dinesh that we have heard all of this garbage before from people who could say it stylishly such that it was at least entertaining. Incapable of making a reasoned argument, dinesh tries to assail us with his not so rapier-like witticisms and dunderheaded wrath that flounder like a ran-over slug. dinesh actually makes Al Gore seem witty.

Has dinesh made a single comment anywhere at any time that would indicate he has any intellectual ability at all?

Ask him, because you have been nicer to him than I, maybe he will respond to you.

Posted by: Amused by dinesh on July 13, 2006 12:09 PM
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