June 26, 2006
More evidence of man-made global warming
Today's Seattle Post-Intelligencer reports on cataclysmic floods in Eastern Washington. I blame SUVs.
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at June 26, 2006
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1. We're at the tail end of an inter-glacial period. The ice will come again, unless we can maintain enough global warming to hold it off.
2. Hold on their Dishman, don't try to get us sidetracked with facts, Everybody Knows that Man Made global warming is the biggest threat to mankind and our planet. The fact that you deny global warming makes me suspicious that you aren't profiting from the scaremongering, and therefore aren't a scientist, ergo: You're unqualified to offer an opinion.
3. Ever notice how fear mongering is ok as long as its about the environment and not islamo-fascists.
4. "But none of this was recognized until a geologist named J. Harlan Bretz came here to study this region known then as the "Channeled Scabland." In 1923, Bretz published his interpretation of what had carved the channels and wounded the land -- a huge, sudden flood.
"Nobody believed him," said Bjornstad, partly because the theory sounded distinctly biblical."
Now that we have the Religion of Environmentalism they still don't believe him because it still doesn't fit their agenda.
"Everybody is super-stoked on me, even if they don't know it yet" - algore
5. Below is a good read. Gore is an outright liar. The movie has been a flop. And that's by documentary standards and not regular movie standards. 10th best? Do you remember the 10th best downhill skier from the 2006 Winter Olymics? I didn't think so. 10th best = failure. A few liberal nuts have seen Gore's propaganda flick and they believe the Gore Dogma. They don't want to read articles like the one I link to here, and they dismiss all arguments against Global Warming or the resulting Hysteria as Neocon Oil Funded Propaganda. No matter how many scientists come out against Global Warming, no matter their independence, no matter the societal cost of hysterical reaction to unknown and far from certain future efffect, and above all no matter the science.
The Gore Nuts believe the dogma because their religion of Progressivism depnds on vague crisis. They need to look far into the future to create the kind of alarmism that allows them to take control of the reigns of government today. The average American can plainly see that it's just hysteria. And we are unmoved. Gore blabbing again? What's new.
Read this great article.
6. More than likely it was Mammoth flatulence.
Dan,
Is Global warming occurring?
Yes.
Do we know the cause? Partially.
Global climate cycles:
Daily rotation, day to night.
Earth annual orbit, seasons.
I don't think these two need a link.
The following cycles that effect climate are extra-terrestial influences, the sun and orbital effects.
Sunspot 11 year cycle
Solar Variations
Solar 1100 year cycle
Milankovitch 21,000 year cycle
Orbital influences
Earth's climate cycles:
The Pacific Decadal Oscillation
El Nino Southern Oscillation
North Atlantic Oscillation
Volcanic cycles
In other words there are dozens if not hundreds of known climate oscillations on time scales of hours, day to night, to 10's of millennia. How many oscillations have we not discovered because we only have direct recorded scientific weather data of less than 300 years. We have the geological record, but how many variables are not geologically apparent.
What happens when many of the peaks of these cycles occur at the same time?
Global Warming is what happens.
None of the cycles are attributable to, or affected by humans.
We are coming out of a period of "mild" weather, when not many of the cycles peaks or valleys coincided. The Puget Sound area has been both glaciated and tropical at various times in geological history.
When the troughs of the cycles coincide we get an ice age, when the peaks coincide we get warming.
The biggest jump in human green house gas out put was post WWII, 1945-1955. There was no concurrent jump in global temperature. In other words the real world does not match the mathematical models used by global warming alarmist, than mankind is the prime causal factor.
Further the prime driver being the man made global warming is the "hockey stick" chart by Michael Mann. That analysis has been thoroughly discredited.
7. I've said it before, I'll say it again. The same crowd that pushes creationism and its latest incarnation, intelligent design, just has no credibility on any scientific issue, especially global warming.
8. Dan,
I missed the sarcasm the first time I read your post.
Accept my apologizes.
9. Bill L. - I've never heard such a bigotted intolerant statement!
10. I have one question Greenland use to grow grapes to make wine(Days of the Vikings). Today it does not. So we have a long way to go to grow grapes in Greenland again. Could that also be a sign of cyclic temperatures?
11. No David, it is a sign of neocon, big oil lies.
Repeat that several times every day for the next month and you will get rid of any notion of bringing up facts that go against the PC agenda.
12. David Anfinrud asks:
I have one question Greenland use to grow grapes to make wine(Days of the Vikings). Today it does not. So we have a long way to go to grow grapes in Greenland again. Could that also be a sign of cyclic temperatures?
Vinland was not Greenland. Vinland was south of Markland, which seems to be the southern Labrador coast of Canada. Vinland is hard to identify for certain, because most of the areas where Viking presence is certain do not grow grapes. So, either the Vikings went further south than we thought (down into Massachusetts and south) or grapes grew further north at that time than they do now.
Either way, I blame it on the longships...:-)
13. JCM - Mammoth flatulance caused this?
Geez ... well then we have a lot to worry about with Mayor Nickels around and his prodigious gaseous output.
15. I'm not going to get into any detail about global warming because JCM touched on quite a few of the facts around this issue. But I will say this:
Experts in fields other than climate seem to scream the loudest that we are doomed.
As much as the Looney Left loves to scream that the debate is over, there is far from consensus on the issue. In fact, there are far more dissenters.
And one thing that was pointed out to me by someone more qualified than myself: Glaciers only do two things: They either grow or contract (they are not static) and to go crazy when they contract is foolish because somewhere they are expanding.
The Wall Street Journal had a very good (and large) article on climate this morning by an actual climatologist from MIT and he pretty much backed-up JCMs post (and more).
The Looney Left needs to fear-monger to maintain power and this is the ultimate fear card that they can play. AND Al Gore needs something to do.
16. I blame it on Kennewick Man & his ilk. Too many bonfires. His domesitcated livestock no doubt added to the methane problem. Ignoramus. Unwittingly harming his progeny. Say--did they ever count his absentee vote in '04?
17. Why if we just all walked to work like Ms. Gregforhire.....wait a minute.....you mean she is driven in an SUV to and from the Gov’s mansion and her office (THREE HUNDRED YARDS) three and four times a day.....so much for the GREEN GOV.!!!
18. Not 300 yards... 300
paces! At 5'1, my "pace" is about 2 feet, not 3. Maybe we should all chip in to buy her one of those
power mobility scooters so her tender little tootsies never have to touch common ground sullied by 'the little people'.
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" "Overlooked by Gore, et al, is the fact that epochs with high-amplitude sunspot cycles coincide with warm climates, low-amplitude cycles with cold climates. In the 16th century there were hardly any sunspots (the 'Maunder Minimum'), perhaps none at all, heralding the 'little ice age.' In the 19th century there was another relative minimum of sunspot activity, coinciding with the Irish potato famine caused by miserable summer weather. With
the subsequent increase in sunspot activity, the climate began to warm. Meanwhile, NASA reports that the south-polar ice cap on Mars shows signs of shrinking beyond the expected seasonal cycle. We only have two vehicles up there, and they are not even running on gasoline. Perhaps the green Martians have hidden all their SUVs on the other side of that planet. Draw your own conclusions on global warming!" ---Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Science, Austrian Academy of Science "
19. Anyone who thinks Al Bore is even remotely suited to spout off on this topic is in need of professional help. He has no more understanding of science and how to interpret data than a rock. He is the Michael Moore of the environmental crowd. Sensationalism, not facts, is what he is after. For all Al's blathering about being good to the environment, he needs to set an example. First give up the plane rides. Then go back to horse and buggy. And this includes all of his immediate family members. He then needs to give up plastics, synthetic fibers (yes, Al, this does include Polar Fleece), electricity, and running water. Then Al needs to convince all of his celebrity buddies to do the same. Like Mayor Nickelbag, Al expects the little people to revert back to the stone age while he enjoys the fruits of technological progress.
For those who cite references that things seem to have really escalated since the Industrial Age, read up on Krakatoa. It spewed so much stuff in the air that it was years before it all dissipated. And that the hole in the ozone layer seemed to have really increased after Mt. Pinatabo erupted. What are you greenie weenies going to do? Cork all the volcanos? Glue the tectonic plates together so we don't get any more major earthquakes and tsunamis?
And let's not overlook the fact there are many in the scientific community who think Anartica was exposed land at one point. There is also a recent theory being discussed that links the reversing of the magnetic fields to major climate changes on our planet. So, you clueless tree huggers, here is a newsflash--the earth is not a static system. It is constantly changing. And Mother Nature obviously is not listening to your nonsense.
20. Let's see... At this point, about all these Global Warmmongers are missing now is an inquisition, which I suspect they will attempt to acquire in 2008. If not for the possibility of one of them ending up president, a Kerry vs. Hillary vs. Gore Democrat primary could be the most entertaining thing to happen to electoral politics in years.
21. ask Mr global warming about a trip to WA state not long ago; they shut down the whole section of a Nat. park mountain so he & son could hike in security; elite? wasteful? you judge;
22. I remember reading (sorry don't have a source) that the western forest fires every year release more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than every vehicle in the United States does
for an entire year. Maybe we should ban forests ;)
Mr. Internet has alot nerve preaching to everyone about their lifestyles while he travels by private jet, and probably lives in a house that consumes as much energy as several of our homes.
23. Back to the initial topic.
I like the fact that the Seattle PI wrote the article. It's informative if not particularly "newsworthy" in the fact that we've known about this for many moons.
Heck, the theory that the Eastern Washington landscape was sculpted by a single cataclysmic flood was taught during my 2000 "rocks for jocks" class at the University of Washington in basic geology.
24. Palouse,
Can you guess what a volcanic eruption does?
25. Oh I know...eruptions must be far, far worse.
ya know what else I've noticed? The global warming rhetoric always seems to be more prevalent in the summer. It's summer people, we have hot days.
26. Scare tactics by the Pee-Eye that are strategically timed for the first summer hot spell. The Enviro-fraud wing of the Democrat Party has their hands out for more donations.
I would like to see all of the myths and fallacies in "An Inconvenient Truth" debunked - if anyone know if someone in the scientific community has done this on-line, let us know.
BTW - water vapor has 16 X more heat capacity than CO2.
27. Oops - this should read...if anyone knows where and if someone in the scientific community has done this on-line, let us know.
28. KS, scroll back up and click on the link I embedded, there's 25 Gore lies debunked for your reading pleasure.
29. Floods. As a kid in Kansas, I was taught that Kansas had a flood, too. Just how many of our states were once flooded ???? What if... the unspeakable... what if the Bible is Literally True...? Anybody else out there ever live in a state that was "flooded" ?
30. In her latest book, Ann Coulter describes Leftists as "godless". I find it interesting that while Christians may believe sinners will burn in the afterlife, environmentalists believe that due to "global warming" we will all burn in this one. Environmentalists do not believe in God - and Al Gore is His Prophet. HA!