June 10, 2006
PI Enthralled by Forced Mail Voting
Tomorrow's PI has the editorial County Elections: Make it mail. Nauseating. Yes. I'm sickened that forced mail voting enthusiasts (like the Editorial Board of the PI) have ignored the issues and made this about personalities. Apparently Juli Pettingill, Gentry Lange, myself, and all of us activists from the left are enthralled by the bad guys on the right. Presumably Stefan.
These people don't know me; I'm not easily led. Has Gentry Lange of the Green Party fallen under Stefan's spell? There were 18 people testifying. From all over the political spectrum. Most I'd never met before. I don't think the elderly woman from Federal Way, who took two buses to attend, was mesmerized either. And the PI certainly didn't listen to our testimony at Monday's council meeting. Fortunately, the Council did and delayed their decision two weeks. So that they could follow up on our concerns.
Any way, there's an online poll. Be sure to vote. And there's a comments section. I cut and paste mine below the fold...
Trifecta! Good job! You've managed to insult us, successfully repeat the talking points, and be horribly wrong. Again demonstrating that no one should ever allow their ignorance to prevent them from having an opinion.
Are we enthralled? By the truth, perhaps.
The protest against forced mail voting was Juli Pettingill's idea. The PI covered it. Unlikely allies fight all-mail voting. Our group invited our colleagues from the left and right to participate.
The recent op-ed opposing forced mail voting was written by my Juli Pettingill, Gentry Lange (Green Party), and help from others. Let the public decide on vote by mail
The forced mail voting enthusiasts dismiss our concerns with a wave of the hand. Telling us that they'll do everything they can to ensure security. And the next moment, telling us convenience trumps security. Of course, they usually repeat the inaccurate statements about reduced costs. (Perhaps they haven't read Logan's Vote by Mail proposal.)
There was a time when someone at the PI understood that forced mail voting was the incorrect solution to the problem of increasing turnout. Last Sept, Mark Trahant wrote Vote by mail? OK, so I was wrong .... Judging by the PI's new found enthusiasm for forced mail voting, all of the concerns have been addressed. Right? Yea, I didn't think so.
We spoke at Wallingford Neighbors for Peace and Peace Justice Meaningful Movie's showing of "Electile Dysfunction" last night.
- 69% of the room uses mail ballots (60 of 87 people)
- Exactly no one wanted to take away their neighbor's right to vote in person at a poll site. In fact, more of few said that it was dead wrong.
- almost no one knew that King County uses Diebold touch screens for poll site voting and Diebold op-scans for mail ballots. They weren't very pleased.
Please, stop playing fast and loose with the facts. You're hurting our democracy.
We have legitimate concerns. That have not been addressed. The only responsible action forward is to let the people decide for ourselves how to conduct our elections. Then we can have a public debate. To educate concerned citizens about the merits of forced mail voting.
Jason Aaron Osgood / Seattle WA
Washington Citizens for Fair Elections
[Updated the intro to clarify that I'm responding to the PI, not the King County Council.]
Posted by Jason Osgood at June 10, 2006
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[Updated again for wordsmithing and corrections.]
2. "If it helps, the council might note that more than 70 percent of its constituents already have made up their minds; they already vote by mail."
A misleading and quite frankly stupid statement. Let's turn it around.
How many registered voters are in King County? What percentage bothered to vote at all last November? 30%? 40%? How many eligible voters are even registered? 50%? The phrase in the PI would more accurately read, "If it helps, the council might note that more than 70 percent of the 35% of registered voters that normally vote, and which are only about 50% of total eligible voters, already have made up their minds; they already vote by mail."
So, by Julia Patterson's and the PI's reasoning, 60-70% of the registered voters don't think voting is that important to do at all. Maybe we can save even more money by cutting out elections all together. 60% of "their constituants" have already [not] voted.
constituents, not constituants....
4. I like that the PI's choices are forced vote by mail now, or later.
5. "Mail voting is a convenient, relatively secure and more efficient way to cast and tally ballots..."
That's hilarious! They even admit that they are willing to sacrifice security for convenience! And with a straight face (well, I can't say how straight ;'}
When the P-I gets sold off, they ought to just sell it to King County. They seem to get their marching orders from Ron Sims already. What a pathetic 'Parrot Press'.
'Relatively secure' elections are like 'relatively safe' sex. Stupid.
7. Speaking of voting, did anyone catch the 10:00 p.m. news last night on 13? The did a hit piece on SP, surrounding the fact that SP
makes available the voter date base on the internet. Gave what was probably a longer interview with Stefan about 10 seconds to talk about the voter roll problems, and then finally had to admit that it is public information anyway and can be had through several other sources and is indeed legal to post. Their main focus was to slam SP, and avoid the obvious questions of documented voter fraud. The whole thing was sickening.
You know I was thinking about it, and several people have claimed that this is really about increasing turnout-
But why would requiring vote by mail increase voter turn out? I mean, I can see how allowing vote by mail would increase voter turnout- but how would requiring it help?
The thing about increasing voter turnout is a Julia Patterson lie.
Forced mail voting takes voting out of the public eye and will invariably lead to lower turnout, which is exactly what the incumbents want.
Fewer voters = cheaper campaigns
10. I can see how in order to increase participation, the County will start enforcing a policy similar to Seattle's Garbage recycling program. If you do not participate the way they want you to the County will fine you the first couple times you miss an election and then they will stop letting you vote all together.
If you haven't already contacted:
1. The PI
2. Your council member
3. Your friends
4. Other media
Please do so, and pass on a few of your concerns about VBM. Lists of problems, etc.
Then PI editorial was a farce. The "relatively secure" comment took the cake. What kind of bank do they hold their money in, oh well, it's relatively secure. That's fine by me! Must be the same bank Ron Sims goes to.
It was the same as Julia Patterson continually saying, "valid concerns". Well if they are valid, why keep ignoring them?
Please keep up the good work everyone! As a Green, and as someone who takes some heat from left and right alike, I felt super proud of the citizens from all sides of the political spectrum at the Council Meeting. Everyone is very informed, regardless of the MSM painting those who speak out as "bloviators". Do they think 10 cent words actually strengthen there arguments?
12. oops... "their" arguments...
13. Obvious rhetorical question that answers itself . . . why don't the proponents of Forced Mail Voting simply address questions honestly?
These people cannot be trusted with anything about anything.
14. With another lame editorial like this, it is no wonder that the circulation of the P-I continues to go down, down, down. If they had the cajones/cuevos to run a poll, they would find that the public DOES NOT wanting all-mail voting. Therefore the best use for this rag is for wrapping fish guts and dog wastes.
15. With another lame editorial like this, it is no wonder that the circulation of the P-I continues to go down, down, down. If they had the cajones/cuevos to run a poll, they would find that the public DOES NOT want all-mail voting. Therefore the best use for this rag is for wrapping fish guts and dog wastes.
16. 1 This Julia Patterson, Joel Connelly, Ron Sims, Roger Oglesby, Ken Bunting, Mark Trahart, David Horsey, Chris Beringer, Janet Grimley, Rita Hibbard, Mark Matassa, Michele Nicolosi, Stephanie Reid-Simons, Lee Rozen, and John Currie Sunday P-I Editorial is one of the most absurd things I have read in the past two decades
2 Please write to MarkTrahant@seattlepi.com and let him know that you him to allow an Op Ed piece of the same # or words in Jun-18-2006's Seattle PI
KS....They have a poll on the bottom of page of online version of op-ed piece. It is currently 70% in favor of more discussion on this issue.
I cant believe that these people actually work in the MSM.....They don't even LISTEN to people, or most likely, they don't care.
BTW, why cant we RECALL Ron Sims for NOT firing Dean Logan????
18. There would have to be more substantial reasons for recalling Ron Sims than that, but there certainly evidence enough to do so.
The Republicans had better have their stuff together if they ever decide to go through with this - I think that if they did, there would be more than enough signatures to get this on the ballot.
I just read the PI editorial as I was put off immediately by the introductory paragraph. I had to re-read it several times to try to figure out what they were saying. Fancy words and long sentences do not make for effective written communication.
Despite the failings of that first paragraph, I continued to read the rest of the editorial. Then I read all of the commentary made by readers. Two readers did a very good job responding paragraph by paragraph to the editorial. Thankfully some concerned people are responding to the lies put forth by the PI on this issue. Thanks to those who are speaking up and fighting for fair and accurate elections, regardless of their political party affiliation.
Regarding your post about last Monday's council meeting, and this item in particular: "I don't think the elderly woman from Federal Way, who took two buses to attend, was mesmerized either." I believe I was the only woman from Federal Way who attended the meeting, but I can't be the "elderly woman" since I rode only one bus each way to attend the meeting. I have never been described as "elderly" before--you should see me run around the back yard with my 30-month-old grandson! So I took a bit of umbrage at the remark, even though it couldn't have been describing me. Yes, my hair is white, but my brain is active and my political preference is toward the "red" side. I check and read soundpolitics.com several times each day, and now I'm looking forward to reading a review of David Goldstein's debut on KIRO radio.
I took great offense at the attitudes of Larry Gossett, Julia Patterson and Larry Phillips at the council meeting. They showed utter disdain for we common folk--particularly Phillips, whose main purpose in attending the meeting seemed to be the opportunity to show off his puppy in a photo op, and vote on the animal welfare issue. Is it true that he has ordained that there shall be no public input at the next meeting? If that is so, I hope that Dunn and Lambert have been able to persuade Ferguson and Constantine that forced voting by mail is not the way to go and that the whole idea will be flushed down the drain.
NO FORCED VOTE BY MAIL!
You said "I took great offense at the attitudes of Larry Gossett, Julia Patterson and Larry Phillips at the council meeting."
Decent people are offended by fascist communists. Take it as a sign of good character on your part . . . I do.
Patterson, Gossett and Phillips lead the small oligarchy of King County. They know what's best for us. How dare we ever question their absolute authority.
And with the P-I covering for them as a propaganda foil complete with Potemkin voting statistics, they will have their way even with Squaloid meddling.