June 06, 2006
But draw your own conclusions

I wish I'd saved a copies of the King County Council's home page as they appeared both yesterday morning and yesterday evening.

Yesterday morning, the page look much like the May 27th version that I saved from the google cache -- it promised

King County would become the largest local jurisdiction in the nation to conduct all elections by mail, under legislation set for action at the next meeting of the Metropolitan King County Council on Tuesday, May 30.
(except that the date of the historic decision had been postponed to Monday, June 5). Yesterday evening's page promised that the historic decision would be postponed until June 19th.

The evening page also reported that 17 people testified during the public comments. (It failed to note that every single one of them testified against forced mail voting). It also kept a few other statements from the earlier page versions about forced mail-voting that were either false or highly misleading --

False Claim:

The Election Center, a nonprofit organization dedicated to promoting, preserving and improving democracy ... recommended moving to an all-mail ballot
Fact: The Election Center did not make any such recommendation. It only recommended that the issue be studied and that the study period be significantly longer than the amount of time that Deanron has spent on the issue. [this report, item 24-1]

Misleading Claim:

81 percent voters in the 2005 primary election used a mail ballot.
Fact: This is as specious of a statistic as any to downplay the public demand for keeping the polling places open. 251,000 mail ballots were cast in the 2005 primary. By way of comparison, 334,000 voters cast a ballot at a polling place in November 2004. (And that number doesn't include the tens of thousands who chose to drop off their absentee ballot at a neighborhood polling place)

All this mendacious spin is pretty disappointing. It's almost enough to make one think that the Council Democrats have no good reason to impose mail-only voting other than the expectation that it will offer them some kind of partisan advantage.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at June 06, 2006 01:11 PM | Email This
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1. They need this time to organize. At the June 19th meeting, there will be dozens of supporters of mail-in voting stacked...er...packed into the meeting room. And on the morning of the 20th, the news in the papers will gush about the overwhelming support for the measure and how its passage really demonstrated responsiveness to the true voice of the citizens.

Posted by: Doubtful on June 6, 2006 01:39 PM
2. Stefan,

Regarding your suspicions, I believe that partisan skepticism is very healthy. If belief that the other side is trying to rig the process leads to election security then we all win (except those intent on committing election fraud). Honest skepticism is what brought democrats, republicans, and greens together yesterday.

Thank you for withstanding the attack on your motives.

Posted by: Bob Edelman on June 6, 2006 01:47 PM
3. As much as I don't want All VBM voting, in the end, I think it's really going to work out well for Republicans. Bottom line is that VBM and the Frontal Presence required for voting are not really all that compatible with the typical GOTV Dem style voter. VBM requires some maintenance if one moves around often. Also required is the diligence to not lose the ballot in a pile of junk mail, vote it properly enough that it won't be automatically rejected (without any technical assistance,) proper postage, timely delivery, etc.

All of these attributes really do favor the generalized conservative over the generalized liberal. And as Oregon has shown, after the initial excitement, turnout drops off precipitously. Also favoring Republicans.

Even with corrupt elections offices like that of Dean Logan, the pressure for intense scrutiny is great enough that it's going to make if far harder for even Logan to play games with unauthenticated absentees in the future. Especially if there are any more enhanced security methods applied to VBM over the next few years, which is likely just given technology advances alone.

This is going to be a case of careful-what-you-wish-for. The great thing about liberal / progressive / collectivist ideas is that ultimately they are doomed to fail on their own lack of merit. Communism failed. Socialism is failing. Unions are receding, etc.

All we have to do is give these fools an ample supply of rope. They'll hang themselves.

Posted by: Jeff B. on June 6, 2006 01:52 PM
4. Jeff B. - I hope you are right, but who will vote those "No longer at this address" ballots? The same people that verify signatures in sorting facility?

Posted by: Fred on June 6, 2006 02:25 PM
5. My concern is not what type of voting serves who best, but what type of voting is the least error prone, efficient and has the most trustworthy outcome. I can live with defeat if the election is an honest defeat, not with rigging, lost ballots, found ballots, and eye winking like the queen's placement in the governors chair.

Posted by: Marge on June 6, 2006 02:52 PM
6. I sure don't appreciate the false claims. I agree with you, Stefan. the Dems present no REALLY good reason to go to forced-mail voting except that they see more opportunities for shenanigans. We'll keep calling them on it. I can see campaign hook for the next republican candidate for executive: Bringing back poll voting (if this hair-brained, corrupt scheme goes through)

Posted by: Misty on June 6, 2006 03:19 PM
7. It's almost enough to make one think that the Council Democrats have no good reason to impose mail-only voting other than the expectation that it will offer them some kind of partisan advantage.

Stefan, you're being a meanie!

Posted by: South County on June 6, 2006 03:20 PM
8. Jeff--true, perhaps; however, the 'more rope theory' may not work--why? look at LA--Nagin re-elected after incompetence, blaming others and his own racist comments; DC mayor kid-gloved after dope usage; congressman with 'frozen assets' in refrig. given support by all parties; perhaps they will hang themselves, but waiting for that day may cause the hanging tree to fall on all of us innocent homeowners in the interim; good people are disillusioned; also, where is the talk of re-validating the rolls and proving everyone's voting qualifications to reset the database to a correct starting point?

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on June 6, 2006 03:20 PM
9. Jimmie,

Some Dem Nuts will need more rope than others depending on the consituency. YMMV. NOLA is about as bad as it gets. There they don't even really have anything other than GOTV type Dem voters. So it's hard to offset the really irrational vote. But give Nagin some time, he's shown nothing but total incompetence, there's no reason to believe he won't continue to show incompetence. Give hime some more rope.

But the "more rope" strategy works great in places like Seattle. The media doesn't think moderates exist, but they do. I have at least 20 moderate Dem friends in Seattle. They are normal people, they work hard, they are fiscally pretty conservative, they are socially liberal, but they realize that the Progressive vision of too much government is a bad thing or at least something that does have a finite limit. These people eventually abandon ship when the progressives go too far.

For example, we all know a lot of Seattleites that were pissed about the Monorail debacle. And now here we go again with the Viaduct. It's clear that the leaders are not listening to the people. Real people live in the real world where there are budgets and deadlines. Only the most diehard moonbat can see financial debacle after debacle and not have at least a healthy mistrust of Seattle's leadership.

It's only a matter of time. Let's watch Logan try to handle another major election this fall. Possibly some very tight races. Just wait, he will screw it up big time.

Posted by: Jeff B. on June 6, 2006 04:14 PM
10. Good observations Stefan.
I see the information on the Election Center on the CEOC page was also cleaned. I would still like the council to look into the minority views of the CEOC. I understand from Tim Borders that 6 out of 13 committee members voted AGAINST going to forced mail voting.

Posted by: Juli P. on June 6, 2006 04:25 PM
11. As far as cleaning up the Web Pages as a form of revisionist history, does anyone else get the feeling that King County is being run by one of the Incompetent and Harmless Yet Temporarily Convincing villains that were featured in every episode of Scooby Do?

You can just picture Larry Phillips unmasked at the end of the show saying: "I would have passed All Vote By Mail if it hadn't been for you meddling kids."

The bloviating self inflated egos of our local politicians really seem more like cartoon characters than anyone who should be taken seriously.

Posted by: Jeff B. on June 6, 2006 04:49 PM
12. Did I mention what a liar Dean Logan is???
That the Spokane Conference started TODAY and he left yesterday to obviously dodge the fire at the Public Hearing.
Did I mention that???
Oh yeah...I guess I did.
But it bears repeating...and repeating...and repeating!
LIAR DEAN!

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on June 6, 2006 05:01 PM
13. Jeff - With that ample rope that you have granted these "fools" they have trussed you like a rodeo hefer.

Posted by: Jericho on June 6, 2006 07:04 PM
14. Be careful Stefan, that last sentence is what makes a certian female, democrat councilmember get her panties all in a bunch. :)

Posted by: Matthew Lundh on June 6, 2006 07:54 PM
15. fair enough, Jeff--i'll let the line out; however, clock is tickin'--even water cuts through rock in time; my only concern is that we don't have the luxury of time with these fools at the helm; and--haven't we given them enough time? i see lots of talk and squat for results at every turn in Seattle and its surrounds; but--your thoughts are duly considered and respected; i wont scream back at you like a liberal;

Posted by: Jimmie-howya-doin on June 6, 2006 07:58 PM
16. I think voting by mail is great. A couple of my kids marked the things on their ballots that interested them, and told me to finish them with whomever or whatever I wanted.

Posted by: DD on June 6, 2006 08:12 PM
17. Stefan, were there any PO Box dwellers at the hearing? You know, short people.

Posted by: Michael on June 6, 2006 09:02 PM
18. Come on Jimmie, I mean just what has happened in 18 months since the monarchy took over Washington? It's not like you are more enslaved now than you were then. It's not like the monarchists haven't consolidated their power since then. I mean things are getting better, right? It's getting more democratic, all mail voting, such convenience, everything is coming up roses, eeh? A few more Sound Politic scoops and the main stream media will come around, then things will change. Then justice will be done, right. Now go watch another show on your LCD t.v. and leave government to those who know best.

Posted by: Jericho on June 6, 2006 09:45 PM
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