June 06, 2006
King County Council Postpones Decision on Forced Mail Voting

King County Council decided to delay their decision on forced mail voting for two weeks. Also, all of the Republican amendments to Sims' vote by mail ordinances will now be considered. (We don't yet know the text of those amendments.) The council asked the Elections Office to consider the public's concerns and report back. The council also asked the Executive's representatives to weigh in on the amendments. Phillips decided that there will be no opportunity for public comment at that time, which seems weird.

I really enjoyed everyone's testimony. We all spoke against forced mail voting. Though the primary theme was the reduction in election integrity, everyone had their own take. I got to meet Marge and Matthew. (I'm sorry if I didn't match other people to their online nyms.)

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I'll start by saying that I'm very dismayed that the Republicans weren't consulted about forced mail voting. Nor were they allowed to offer amendments before today. First, I find it sickening in Washington DC and I find it sickening here in King County. (Our winner takes all system sucks.) Second, I can't believe that the minority party wouldn't be involved in changing our election system. A major part of our United States Constitution is about protecting minority rights. Not doing so is fundamentally undemocratic. So if our opposition somehow opened up the discussion to include Republican council members, it was well worthwhile. (And, yes, I expect the same courtesy in return.)

My testimony was pretty straightforward. Both the secret ballot and public vote count, as enshrined in our Washington State constitution, are the cornerstones of our democracy. Forced mail voting takes away the secret ballot. Using proprietary electronic voting and counting systems takes away our public vote count (aka secret vote count). So what does that leave? A democracy? I said I didn't think so. I wrapped up by saying that using a voter correctable precinct based optical scanner is currently the best way to vote.

During the Q&A, I got to mention that Diebold touchscreen voting systems don't satisfy HAVA requirements for accessibility (the supposed reason we're buying them in the first place) or reliability. In fact, John Gideon of Voters Unite has filed a HAVA complaint here in Washington State, so show him some love.

Most all of us received questions from the council. In a lot of ways, I think that kind of give and take is very productive. Both Ferguson and Patterson asked many of us if our opposition to forced mail voting also means that we oppose absentee voting.

I didn't really do a good job answering. I'm a computer guy, have done a lot of design, including some security stuff. I tried to convey that election systems have to be considered in the whole, not in parts. Because you have to balance many competing concerns. Just like computer security. So it isn't an either-or choice.

So, for the record, I do not oppose absentee balloting. I, however, do oppose the inappropriate promotion of absentee voting over poll site voting, solidly oppose forced mail voting, think our no-excuses absentee balloting is probably a bad idea, and strongly believe that absentee balloting is a necessary option for many voters.

I have no idea at this time what an appropriate percentage of absentee voting is. There are members of our group that think our hybrid system is great, because it provides a form of cross checking. And regardless of the percentages, there are measures we should immediately take to increase election integrity. Such as adding a "none of the above" option to each race, which would significantly reduce both under- and over-votes.

After we all gave our testimony, some people from the Election Office were called up to address our concerns: an accountant, the assistant director, and the GIS guy. Election integrity experts all, I'm sure. They did say something about new technology to track our votes through the mail. (If it'd address my concerns about the lose of the secret ballot, then I'm all on board.)

The assistant director also stated our new Diebold touchscreen voting systems are super terrific, with new super software (not the nasty version other states are using), and it all works super great. Which would actually be great, accept for two small details. Diebold gear sucks. And it's technically impossible to create an electronic voting system that preserves the secret ballot and yet can be audited (validated). (If someone knows better, please clue me in.)

I guess I'm a little bit grumpy that our councilmembers rely on the Elections Office for most all their information. I expect that if they're going to monkey with our elections, that they should know stuff firsthand. Under no circumstances should they solely rely on the officials. Especially since the official's agenda is to ensure "smooth" elections. At the expense of election integrity, of course. And while we' re on the topic, I'd include relying on the vendor-funded Election Center too.

[Updated Monday morning by Jason.]

Posted by Jason Osgood at June 06, 2006 01:29 AM | Email This
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1. I didn't get to see any of it other than a bit of Stefan's testimony and some weird commentary from Gossett, so if someone could enlighten me what happened with Patterson I'd appreciate it.

Posted by: Marc on June 6, 2006 01:46 AM
2. Jason,

Patterson engages in an ad hominem attack on Stefan, and you wish "they" would kiss and make up? Rather, shouldn't Patterson be the one to pucker and kiss Stefan's arse? The one who is attacked doesn't have anything to make up for?

Posted by: Danny on June 6, 2006 05:43 AM
3. Why would Stefan kiss some hog who is in a position of power and makes it uncomfortable for a citizen to express his/her concerns about such a fundamental issue as voting?????
I would hope someone has a tape of that exchange. It will undoubtedly come back to haunt Patterson....especially if SHE doesn't apologize to Stefan.
Remember....Patterson is in the position of power and has to set a high example.
Phillips leaving during Public Comment was also highly inappropriate.
He could have at least made up some lame-a$$ excuse like "I've been constipated for 10 years now and I think it's about to break loose".
Some reason at least.

Posted by: dude on June 6, 2006 06:28 AM
4. I know I've seen that "All or nothing at all" attitude before. Hmmm, where was it?

Ah yes! When dealing with petulant and unruly children who are hungry and out of sorts! I can easily imagine Patterson saying, "OK, if they won't let us have our voting system the way we want, we'll just show them by making old people have to drive to the polling stations. That'll show 'em!"

As usual Dhimmicrats don't get it.

In their inimitable fashion they wish to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Instead of fixing the existing problems within a time-honored system, they would jettison the whole works in defiance of the will of the people!

Congrats to those who took the time to go and voice their concerns!

Bravo!

Posted by: alphabet soup on June 6, 2006 06:50 AM
5. 1 On KOMO TV's morning news this week, the news readers said after the 2 week delay, vote by mail is expected to pass
2 Ms Patterson appeared to be oversensitive in her "questioning" of Mr Sharkansky
3 Mr Ferguson has raised interesting questions regarding the series of articles about the King County Sheriff's Office in the Seattle PI
4 It would be a good use of Mr Ferguson's time to review KCE
5 Also the intensity of the debate is quite higher on Mr Goldstein's blog
6 If Ms Patterson thinks Mr Sharkansky is mean spirited, she would have a total melt down if she read Mr Goldstein's blog
7 Finally I seem to remember that one of the King County council members was registered twice
8 Has that council member asked KCE to remove the duplicate registration?

Posted by: Green Lake Mark on June 6, 2006 07:18 AM
6. I removed my references to Patterson's outburst as well as my follow up comment detailing what happening. You can read about it in the PI, if you're really curious.

I realized that I was just fanning the flames, distracting from the issues of forced mail voting, exactly opposite of my intent. I meant no disrespect to Stefan, especially in his own house. I apologize for any offense I may have given.

Posted by: Jason Osgood on June 6, 2006 08:43 AM
7. During public comment periods, the relationship between speakers and councilors is asymetrical. Patterson was out of line, Sharkansky was not.

Those politicians who speak loudest about the need for "civility" are generally those most responsible for the tone of the discussion. Patterson needs to take her job seriously...her comments suggest she does not.

Ideas have consequences; policies have consequences. For her it may just be another issue, but for me it's my voting franchise; it's at the heart of Democracy, "The consent of the governed." There's stuff going on at KCE about which she is, at best, ignorant; at worst, corrupt. Neither makes for good governance...she's proposing to take away my vote. I'll not apologize for my anger; I'll not apologize for taking it personally. Ms. Patterson, get a clue.

Ideas have consequences and policies have consequences. If she can't see the result of this suggested policy, she's not fit for her office.

BTW, Ms. Patterson...none of your constituents are responsible for making you feel loved or supported. This is just a vote for you, but for most of us it's much more. Defend your proposals and policies, or go back to whatever it is you did before you ran for office.

Posted by: South County on June 6, 2006 08:44 AM
8. One more reason I like SP. A sane Democrat. Jason, I appreciate your comments. It's really heartening to see someone who represents rational Demcrats and not the Bush-Hatred deranged nuts like Goldy and Kos and the bile they attract in their forums.

And I agree, if Patterson were a grown-up, the least she would be able to do is engage in an honest debate. Stefan has every right to get a little cheeky on his blog, that's appropriate. But when Stefan speaks in a public forum, it's always with respect. I think it says a lot about Patterson that she would use her position to attack Stefan when he was not able to defend himself.

Whether the public trust in KC elections has been restored is for the public to decide and not the council. I believe the two week delay is a charade to feign checking into any potential pitfalls. The council is an oligarchy and they've alrady made up their minds. So much for public input.

Posted by: Jeff B. on June 6, 2006 09:01 AM
9. Green Lake Mark,

It is Julie/Julia Patterson who was registered twice with different birth years. The registration was corrected by King County on April 20 and both records merged. However, in the May release of the statewide database she is registered twice with the name and birth year corrected and both registrations vote by mail.

This shows the disconnect between the counties and the state and the problems the state faces by trying to synchronize 39 county databases with one statewide database.

Posted by: Bob Edelman on June 6, 2006 09:49 AM
10. DEAN LOGAN IS A LIAR WITH A BOGUS ALIBI!!!!!!!!
The Seattle P-I said:
"Some members were also steamed about the absence of county Elections Director Dean Logan, the focus of criticism over the problem-plagued 2004 election and the vote-by-mail plan. Aides said Logan was attending an election administrators' conference in Spokane."

If folks were steamed yesterday, imagine how steamed they will be when they find out the Spokane Conference doesn't start until late TODAY!! Even worse is that many of the auditors and election officials are driving or flying over TODAY!!!
Logan clearly used this conference as cover to duck out of his responsibility to publicly defend his position on FORCED Vote-By-Mail!!!

Logan should be FIRED for ducking that Public Hearing and making up a BOGUS excuse!!!!!!!!!!!
LIAR, LIAR PANTS ON FIRE...NOSE IS AS LONG AS A TELEPHONE WIRE!!!!!!

Posted by: Mr. Cynical on June 6, 2006 10:01 AM
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