April 23, 2006
"Vote counting and recounting"

The federal Election Assistance Commission met in Seattle Thursday to discuss the topic "Vote Counting and Recounting". Jonathan Bechtle of the Evergreen Freedom Foundation attended and gives the session a mixed review. His trip report follows --

I attended the Election Assistance Commission meeting on vote counts and recounts yesterday, and came away a bit concerned with the direction the EAC is going on this issue.

The meeting was divided into two panels, the first consisting of Secretary Sam Reed, the policy director from the VA state board of elections, and the county auditor from Sacramento County, CA. This panel focused on recounts, with each sharing their experiences.

Secretary Reed talked about what he had learned from Washington’s recounts, and his advice to other jurisdictions was (1) be transparent in every part of the process, (2) have clear laws that are uniform and don’t vary during recounts, and (3) have trust between local and state election officials. I sat there thinking, “I wish Secretary Reed would follow his own advice.” He even was specific in his suggestions on uniform laws, saying he thought it was vital to have consistent signature verification standards, provisional ballot processing, and definitions of voter intent. I will admit he succeeded in having trust between his office and the auditors—too much in some cases.

The Virginia official talked about their AG recount in 05, where they primarily just retabulated the vote totals, and did a subjective “voter intent” review only in problem jurisdictions. The most interesting difference between the VA and WA recounts was displayed in a question asked by an EAC commissioner about voter confidence. The VA official said both AG candidates felt the recount was fair, and that voters had not lost any confidence in the process. Secretary Reed had to admit that voter confidence in Washington “dropped like a rock,” despite his efforts to reassure the public that everything was happening as normal.

The Sacramento auditor had a fascinating presentation about her office’s attempt to do a test recount of the paper trail from VVPAT-equipped voting machines (Avante system). Many problems cropped up, and it ended up taking 127.5 hours to count 114 ballots (67 minutes each)!

The second panel was two university professors who were conducting a study of recount laws and procedures from across the nation. It should be an interesting read when it comes out, as they both showed concern over the lack of auditing, training, and testing across the board.

One other note: apparently Dean Logan hosted the EAC commissioners on Wednesday, and told them all about King County voting system. One of the EAC commissioners latched onto King County’s ballot duplication procedure (every absentee ballot is examined for voter intent before going through the machines), and asked the Virginia official if she planned to try using that approach in Virginia. Thankfully, the VA official said no, that the state board had soundly rejected that approach, instead using the traditional approach of counting the ballots only if they were correctly filled out.

Overall, the EAC’s guidance on this issue will likely contain some good direction, but it appears that some of Washington’s less desirable election practices will also be encouraged.

Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at April 23, 2006 03:56 PM | Email This
Comments
1. 1 Would have been nice if Times and PI had published this event in the paper
2 Sounds like the State and Federal official do not follow standard GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Procedures) when it comes to having systems that effectively capture data (votes) and are auditable
3 Does Sam Reed have a degree in business or is he a former shoe salesman like Dean Logan
4 Basically we have to work with Evergreen Freedom Foundation to put in place controls to assure that only properly registered voters are counted and the votes are auditable

Posted by: Green Lake Mark on April 23, 2006 06:36 PM
2. Every time I am reminded of the outrageous conduct of King County Elections during Washington's last balloting fiasco, I am also reminded of the outragious conduct of the Bush administration in refusing to enforce the nation's immigration laws. Thus, I was heartened to read that Hillary Clinton has stepped up to the plate, as reported in Michael Goodwin's April 22 article in the NY Daily News, and linked by RealClearPolitics.com. As Goodwin put it:

In an interview Friday, she [Ms. Clinton] cited specific goals that could, and hopefully will, become the heart of bipartisan legislation that might actually fix this national crisis.

A fence or a wall? She's for it.

A two-step process, where our borders are secured before the 11 million illegal immigrants already here begin to get legalized? She's for that, too.

The sudden crackdown by Washington on employers who hire illegal immigrants? She welcomes it.

The work and school boycott advocacy groups are planning for May 1? She's against it.

And she said she favors a "carrot-and-stick" approach with Mexico to provide that government and its "oligarchs" the incentives to give Mexicans more and better jobs in their own country.

"A country that cannot control its borders is failing at one of its fundamental obligations," she said of America's "broken system." She also said that "we do need an earned path to citizenship" for illegal immigrants here.

...

Most important, her support for a time lag between the two steps, with border security coming first by as much as two years, could be the right mix that breaks the congressional deadlock and solves much of the immigration problem.

Wow! A fence! I haven't heard about a fence from George Bush, John McCain, or, for that matter, from Washington's own Republican senatorial hopeful, Mike McGavick. With Ms. Clinton's announcement, it's good to know that someone out there has the cojones to secure the border.

Posted by: Boonie on April 23, 2006 06:54 PM
3. Congratulations, Boonie. You are now the proud owner of the most off-topic post in the history of the Blogosphere.

This thread is about election reform. Not Hillary Clinton. Not illegal immigration. And not about the construction of the wall, forward thinking and tough immigration standards enforced during the Clinton Administration's eight years in office. /sarc

Posted by: jimg on April 23, 2006 08:05 PM
4. Very interesting. From everything I've seen here and elsewhere, Washington state is truly one of the worst states in the nation, as far as cleanliness in elections, and consistency in following election laws. How tragic, but I hope it improves. The ballot duplication thing Dean Logan is so proud of was rightly dissed by that VA woman.

Posted by: Misty on April 23, 2006 08:20 PM
5. Boonie, don't be deceived. The likelihood of Mrs. Clinton actually doing something about illegal immigration is about the same as that middle-class tax cut her husband campaigned on in '92. She'll drop it like a hot potato as soon as she's elected, and then make things far worse. Bill cared not at all about illegal immigration. I'm sorry to say that the woman has given me zero reason to trust her. Look at her silliness with the Dubai ports deal. She publicly dissed it while being financially enriched by it at the same time.

Remember who you're talking about here.

Posted by: Misty on April 23, 2006 08:23 PM
6. Well it's good to hear that there's some sanity in Virginia. Please elaborate, I want to hear the part about how Dean Logan was laughed out of the room.

Did Logan mention that his staff counted a large number of ballots that were never verified?

Posted by: Jeff B. on April 23, 2006 09:52 PM
7. Reed saying everything is "normal" is akin to a doctor saying everything is normal and including the vital signs after examining a corpse. These fools are our leaders.What saps we must be in their eyes.

Deanron reminds me of Igor. Yes master! He seems proud of his chicanery. So much so that he brags about it to his peers.

Do they actually believe their own diatribe?

I for one am disgusted with it.

Exactly when is a crime a crime?

Posted by: Snuffy on April 23, 2006 10:15 PM
8. Sam Reed - Dead Man Walking....

Posted by: alphabet soup on April 23, 2006 10:39 PM
9. It's events like this that really showcase how out of step Washington is with the rest of the country. Most other states have sensible election laws, and actually enforce them. Elsewhere, the courts uphold the constitutional rights of legal voters. Even our mainstream newspapers are nationally known for their "fantasy" and "unrealistic" views.

But Washington keeps plodding along inventing its own version of reality (and the Constitution), and ignoring any and all facts and laws that don't fit with it's socialist agenda.

Washington liberals are proud of their accomplishments...they should be ashamed of how pathetic we appear to the rest of the nation.

Posted by: dl on April 24, 2006 07:47 AM
10. The State of Virginia is right on concerning improperly filled out ballots. If they are not correctly filled out, do not count the individual races for office in question. Trying to determine voter intent from a questionable ballot is like trying to mind the mind of someone you do not even know.

Posted by: Gary on April 24, 2006 10:44 AM
11. "But Washington keeps plodding along inventing its own version of reality (and the Constitution), and ignoring any and all facts and laws that don't fit with it's socialist agenda.

Washington liberals are proud of their accomplishments...they should be ashamed of how pathetic we appear to the rest of the nation."

The message above needs to be conveyed to the legal voters in this state. The liberals will have herd in a large number of illegal voters to have any hope to maintain their majority. Repubs., remember - if you plan to contest a suspicious election won by the Dems, you'll need to obtain signed affadavits from certified illegal voters if you hope to win any future election contests. Its also time to start to get rid of the socialists who believe in a living constitution on the State Supreme Court (i.e. Alexander).

Posted by: KS on April 24, 2006 10:21 PM
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