April 21, 2006
‘Today We March, Tomorrow We Vote’
The advocates for illegal immigration are not content with erasing the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants. Their real agenda is to eliminate any distinctions between illegal immigrants, legal immigrants and citizens. In their view of the world, everybody who manages to set foot in this country has equal rights and entitlements: from unlimited social welfare and medical benefits to the right to vote.
From the New York Times "Immigrant groups plan next steps of protest"
Leaders of the demonstrations that drew hundreds of thousands of immigrants into the streets last week announced Wednesday that they were planning voter registration and citizenship drives across the country in an effort to transform the immigrant community into a powerful, organized political force.
One leading group in all of this is "The National Capital Immigration Coalition", which appears to be
a spin-off of the SEIU.
A google search shows that this "register to vote" meme is repeated by organizations around the country which advocate for illegal immigrants, such as "Casa de Maryland": "In Washington DC, Over 500,000 People Sent Clear Message: ‘Today We March, Tomorrow We Vote’".
It's inevitable that we'll be seeing more voter registration drives targeted at legal and illegal non-citizens here too. And you know that the local ruling machine will actively look the other way and count every vote.
hat tip: S.G.
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at April 21, 2006
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1. Undocumented voters?
2. If you didn't see this coming, you had your head in the sand.
Of course they are going to vote.
If you have a child and don't punish them when they misbehave, they continue to misbehave. It is the same deal with illegal immigrants.
We didn't punish them for coming here.
We didn't punish them for staying here.
We don't punish people who vote illegally who are here legally.
Why would an illegal alien fear getting in trouble for voting illegally?
They will start doing something about this when Ron Sims joins the minutemen on the Arizona Border.
3. I got this from a friend. Please go to this link and watch the truth of their agenda. They say that this is their land and we as white, black or asians, are the invaders. They say they have the means to take over our nation and it belongs to them. Well I have Apache blood in me. As far as I know half of the traditional Apache land was taken by the United States and the other half is south of the border. http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/ or paste this into your windows media player http://streaming2.vidilife.com/vidilife/video/2006/4/16/510397/628027.wmv
4. NO. There is no union involvement in any of this. Not at all. None. Zero. Why do you want to prevent people from voting? Racists!!!
Just saving you the trouble of typing it in yourself, Ivan.
5. I think we really need to get the Federal RealID system up and going as soon as possible.
6. jimg:
You must be kidding! Why would I try to claim there is no union involvement? This is exactly what unions *should* be doing!
Note that the NY Times story that Stefan has linked to has no mention whatever of anyone seeking to register noncitizens. That's just more of Stefan's clever spin. He knows the Mistys and Deborahs and Col. Hogans of the world will believe everything he writes anyway.
Whatever happened to the notion that Latinos would vote for Republicans because they were Catholic and therefore opposed abortion and gay marriage?
That's kind of out the window now, don't you think? Good luck getting votes from Latinos when you lot want to keep them and their families from making a living, attending schools (even to learn English), and getting health care (even when they are preparing your meals and picking your fruit and vegetables).
I look forward to joining with those new voters (and just think of all those new militant union members!) to stick it to you b*st*rds at every level of government.
7. Note that the NY Times story that Stefan has linked to has no mention whatever of anyone seeking to register noncitizens.
If a guy was hitting on women at a family reunion, I would assume they were related.
In the same way, if activists have a slogan, "Today we march, tomorrow we vote," and they are conducting registration drives at illegal alien rallies I assume they are targeting "undocumented voters."
I think it's cute that Ivan thinks they can only be guilty of that which they admit. How...Clintonian.
8. Note that the NY Times story that Stefan has linked to has no mention whatever of anyone seeking to register noncitizens.
Right--the story just kept saying "immigrant" over, and over, and over, as if that's all the problem is--just plain old immigrants, folks like you and I. Now, put the word "illegal" in front of the word, and the story changes a bit.
Good luck getting votes from Latinos when you lot want to keep them and their families from making a living, attending schools (even to learn English), and getting health care (even when they are preparing your meals and picking your fruit and vegetables).
So, just who is "you lot," anyway?
I fail to see how requiring legal immigration before voting is keeping anybody from making a living. If you truly believe that MexHispanic immigrants (both illegal and legal) are being prevented from going to school, you need to look again at schools in Southern California.
Why also should we pay for the health care of anybody who is illegally here? I suppose, also, that YOU never eat the fruits, vegetables, or even meat that these folks help put on your table. Are you paying for their health care?
I look forward to joining with those new voters (and just think of all those new militant union members!) to stick it to you b*st*rds at every level of government.
So, by those words, you declare that you are complicit in the unlawful act of allowing, aiding and helping non-citizens to vote?
9. the right to vote is only the first step, they intend to take far more than our sovereignty, they want all our property and jobs too, some even want our lives.
Kill whitey & "take back" their "stolen" land.
Civil war is coming, a blind man could see this one coming 10 years out, some saw the last civil war coming.
10. the right to vote is only the first step, they intend to take far more than our sovereignty, they want all our property and jobs too, some even want our lives.
Kill whitey & "take back" their "stolen" land.
Civil war is coming, a blind man could see this one coming 10 years out, some saw the last civil war coming.
11. finally a truth teller:
"Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Leave like beaten rats, you old white people. It is your duty to die... We are going to take over." ---Augustin Cebada, a Brown Beret protestor, demanding amnesty for illegal aliens
12. Hmmm Sounds like it is time for the President to carry out his oath, "... from all threats foreign and domestic."
13. Well, they're either going to destroy us, or they're doing us a HUGE favor.
If they intend to vote illegally en masse (and why shouldn't they? - after all, in our voting system it takes a blood sacrifice to even get a successful voter registration challenge), then they will be able to legislate damn well whatever they want. They'll just make it law that voter registrations have to be mailed to Mexico and South America.
I hope we rise to this challenge and make illegal voting a crime not worth doing. If this doesn't convince us to, maybe we deserve to be run out of our own land.
14. If I am not mistaken, the SEIU has adopted as one of their priorities the push for voting rights for ILLEGAL immigrants.
The more they march, the more people will wake up to the organizers' true intentions.
15. More of ivan's tolerance and intellect is showing.
He burbles, "Whatever happened to the notion that Latinos would vote for Republicans because they were Catholic and therefore opposed abortion and gay marriage?"
Nothing happened to it . . . it is alive and well and used as a smoke screen by morons like you who refuse to admit that illegal activities including illegal immigration, vote fraud, and freedom for child molesters is now openly approved of and promoted by the liberal relativist attitudes of whacko democrats like you.
However folks , . . . IVAN IS (in his own twisted way) QUITE CORRECT
Good luck getting votes from illegal immigrants when as conservatives we demand they come here to work legally. Good luck getting votes from criminals because we demand that dead (non-existant) people cannot legally vote, and good luck getting votes from child molesters because we demand that our authorities prevent them from screwing children. This makes it look pretty certain that conservatives can count out ivan's vote.
Yes indeed, the law used to mean something.
ivan says, "That's kind of out the window now, don't you think?"
Nowadays for people like ivan . . . it's about trying to stick it to whoever he can.
16. Was it 2 in the trunk and 1 on the hood, or is it the other way around?
17. Hey Ivan,
I've worked alongside migrant laborers in the potato sheds when I was in high school and college. Given what I could pick up from their conversation, the group I worked with one summer was illegal. I learned quite a bit about how they do business! For one thing, there is frequently a "foreman" who speaks English, in charge of a group of non-English speaking workers. He makes a better living than the others because he skims off of their paychecks. He handles the monetary transactions for the others. How noble of him! Taking advantage of the ignorant. (By the way, sexual harassment is a given if you are a female working with young Hispanic males - it's part of the misogynistic culture! Post-payday bingeing and morning hangovers are also not uncommon!)
I also worked alongside migrants sorting fruit at Simm's Fruit Ranch. There were plenty of white workers there as well - mostly high school and college students and older women who wanted to make a small amount to supplement their Social Security checks.
Additionally, my mother and I have worked cleaning houses, and, when I was in college, I did a stint as a nanny for a couple who had triplets.
Contrary to the myth that is being perpetuated, white Americans aren't all too proud to do "that kind" of work. Get off your high horse, you senseless bigot!
I would like to add that the legal immigrants I know (most especially my hispanic friend from college)do not appreciate these people undermining their status. You might be surprised at the level of hatred for some resident Latinos toward "wetbacks" (they use that term.) Do you assume you speak for all immigrants? I could introduce you to two of them today who would give you their two cents!
18. Is it any wonder that this is happening? Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels said at the rally the other day, "From up here as far as we can see, all we see are Americans..." (See
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/266257_rally11.html). To him, there is no distinction among citizens, legal immigrants, and illegal immigrants. They are all Americans. Silly me, but I thought only those who pledged allegiance to America, i.e. citizens, are called Americans.
19. Peggy U,
Excellent and totally true!!
C. Oh,
Nickels sees no distinction because to him Americans are voters and taxpayers. Everything else (fairness, morality, legality) is extraneous.
20. the only initials I want to hear about at the next ILLEGAL alien rally are those of the I.N.S.
Scoop em up, ship em off
let em get in line like the honest hard working, family oriented people they claim to be.
21. Oh, and hey, by the way, Ivan: A friend of mine worked picking broccoli one season. She said some of the Mexican workers she worked with urinated on the broccoli - kind of an underhanded way of "sticking it to" whitey. I'm not saying all foreign laborers are jerks, but foreigners on OUR soil should behave with dignity and decency or go back home and try to earn a living there.
If you are a white American, Ivan, you will not be completely accepted - no matter how much you want to be. You will be viewed as a useful idiot. Enjoy your veggies.
22. Amazing. Let's hope they don't get away with voting illegally any more than they already are. This simply underscores the need to prove citizenship when taking voter registrations! it only makes sense~
23. Everyone says it is too difficult to round em all up and send them back. How hard can it be when they all march down to the Federal Building?
24. I revel in your bedrock, boneheaded stupidity. Latinos and Latinos alone are organizing these marches.
Posted by: ivan on April 11, 2006 03:09 PM
And you've made similar comments claiming other leftist groups (like A.N.S.W.E.R.) were not involved in this. That's all. And now you're claiming the unions should be registering illegals to vote.
Make up your mind. Are the unions like SEIU, AFSCME and UFW working side-by-side with communist front groups and militant Latino groups to aid illegal immigrants or not?
Are the unions like SEIU, AFSCME and UFW working hand-in-hand with Latino groups to illegally register illegal immigrants or not?
Finally, what is SEIU's position on illegal immigration? AFSCME's? I think it's clear what their positions are. I just want you to say it.
25. Very tricky, Stefan. You start by accusing "advocates for illegal immigration" (emphasis mine) of encouraging illegal things. Well, duh. But who, exactly, are these advocates for illegal immigration? You never say. You just attack the idea of voter registration drives aimed at immigrants. Every interest group enocourages people to exercise their legal rights, starting with the vote, and you have never provided any evidence that they encourage anyone to vote illegally. You just assume they will because ... because ... uh, why again? Because it's possible? Because a few people have illegally voted and some of them were immigrants?
26. "I look forward to joining with those new voters (and just think of all those new militant union members!) to stick it to you b*st*rds at every level of government."
iban the incorrigible can't wait to add to his ranks of anti-Americans. he'll try to make nice with these vipers and hope that they are too busy biting at us to bite him.
Wadda maroon!
Actually, I can get down with it too. The kind of unholy alliance that iban would favor would mean the ruination of America as we know it. Should that happen, we'll just see who does the "sticking" and where, iban (quick clue: iban couldn't find it with both hands and a flashlight)
27. I don't understand why so many so-called Republicans are opposed to the President's amnesty for Hispanic workers. The President has the complete information about the illegal worker situation. He has more information than his critics, and if he says we need an amnesty then don't you think maybe we ought to have an amnesty. And don't forget that if it weren't for the Hispanic vote we would not have beat John Kerry, and that would have been a DISASTER!
So let's have an amnesty and sign 'em up!
28.
Very tricky, Stefan. You start by accusing "advocates for illegal immigration" (emphasis mine) of encouraging illegal things. Well, duh. But who, exactly, are these advocates for illegal immigration? You never say.
You just attack the idea of voter registration drives aimed at immigrants.
And there is your answer right there, Bruce. Who are the advocates for illegal immigration? Those who go out and register people to vote who claim they are immigrants (i.e. legal). Of course, it's not *their* job to check for citizenship, since we all have rights and (as Sims says) we are all Americans, right?
Why would these people register illegal immigrants either deliberately or accidentally?
Clearly, it is because they believe that A) they will vote a certain way; or even B) the right to vote extends to ALL people who show up to write their name on a piece of paper.
Every interest group enocourages people to exercise their legal rights, starting with the vote, and you have never provided any evidence that they encourage anyone to vote illegally.
You said something important there, Bruce-- you mentioned LEGAL RIGHTS. If I were an illegal immigrant to the USA, do I have the legal right to vote? Of course not.
If I were a legal immigrant, and met all other requirements, do I have the legal right to vote? Of course I do.
But if group X goes around to these rallies and encourages people to "exercise their legal right," are members of group X checking to see what those legal rights are? I imagine it goes something like this:
Well-meaning Voting Canvasser (WVC): "Hey, sign up to vote!"
Person at "Immigration Rally" (PIR): "Okay, I'll sign up..."
I imagine that it does NOT go like this:
WVC: "Sign up to vote here! All you need to do is sign this legal document that says you are a legal resident of the USA and have the right to vote (and by signing you swear to this or else face a felony charge.)"
PIR: "Ja, I will do this...ach, I cannot sign this, I am not a legal resident."
WVC: "Oh, too bad buddy. Come back when you're legal!"
You just assume they will because ... because ... uh, why again? Because it's possible? Because a few people have illegally voted and some of them were immigrants?
And you assume they won't because...because...uh, why again? Because a few of them have not illegally voted and some of them were illegals?
Why wouldn't they? They have nothing to lose and everything to gain, right?
29. message for bruce: If you hurry, I think there's an ABC Afterschool special on.
You should check it out because this stuff is evidently way over your head!
30. The funny thing about this is that if they somehow managed to get the Kalifornia and the southwest back, the mexican governement would run it into the ground and they would be back where they started. Mexico is not a poor country, they are just run poorly.
31. William: That's why I say ANNEX MEXICO! Under New Management ....
32. Psueduotsuga, you are essentially saying:
- It's possible to break the law.
- Therefore I assume someone's breaking the law.
- Therefore I assume (you even have the balls to use the phrase "I imagine") someone is encouraging them to break the law.
- Therefore I assume the people doing the encouraging are the same people who are trying to help legal immigrants.
- Therefore I assume the people doing the encouraging think that the people breaking the law will vote a certain way.
Can't argue with that logic. Can't even find that logic.
33. America will not die from a foreign mass army invasion; it will (if permitted to, unchecked) die of many thousands of leaks like spending on illegals, lazy bums and those who do not deserve aid;
those truly deserving are manageable and worthy of our support; however, too many play the system and bleed us slowly from a great power to a "has-been" country--where do you want to live? in a "once great place" or a good country?
34. I like the way the discussion has gone to whether illegal or legal immigrants should vote. Seems everyone has forgotten the constitutional REQUIREMENT that you must be a CITIZEN to vote. Much higher bar. Seems the trolls like to just "insert here" whatever reality/fantasy they want to bolster their arguments.
35. Requirements for voting, or should I say qualifications for exercising the right to vote apparently are subject to the interpretation of the local director of elections (deanron). One can easily demonstrate in KING County that legal citizen status, actual physical address of residence and felony criminal history are not enforced taken into consideration when assembling or maintaining the voter rolls. There is no proactive enforcement of our current voting requirments and no penalty for not enforcing our current laws Federal and State. Until we see a few of these folks who obviously violate their oath of office FIRED or paying a penaly, nothing will ever change and Marchers WILL be voters.
36. Bruce, you are essentially saying:
If it's possible to break the law;
Someone will break the law.
Anyone who is willing to break the law and has something to gain by it, will encourage others to break the law. (ever heard of gangs genius?)
Therefore, it is prudent to assume that the people doing the encouraging for their own gain, are the same people who are trying to help others break the law. (ever heard of organized crime?)
Ergo, it is prudent to assume that the people doing the encouraging, think that the people breaking the law, will vote to benefit them. (ever heard of the Mafia?)
Bruce, you are correct.
You can't argue logically or responsibly with that logic. It is established by history as the very essential predicate elements from which law was created.
However, the fact that you admit that you ”Can't even find that logic,” belies your utter incapacity to reason.
You are truly an insensible idiot of your own religious faith’s invention; liberalism.
37. Brucie Brucie Brucie!
I warned ya that you were in over yer head! (but would you listen?!)
Now look what you've done - you've gone and made an utter, complete fool of yourself (again)!
38. I wont vote in nov who senator pro with illegal allien and want give guset worker because they protect criminal ,like both senator from washington state, they both again bill 4437, thsi country will go to the hell because senator ignore protect our border NOT enforcement law and still give all benefits from tax payer this is criminal !
39. I wont vote in nov who senator pro with illegal allien and want give guset worker because they protect criminal ,like both senator from washington state, they both again bill 4437, thsi country will go to the hell because senator ignore protect our border NOT enforcement law and still give all benefits from tax payer this is criminal !
40. Hispanic shock jocks are megaphones for many extreme notions that few Americans or aliens want.
Media and this blog continually give air time and respose to those rediculous ideas.
It is both inaccurate and wrong to attach extreme and rediculous agendas to any group.
Don't do it.
There are dead beats and desperate people of all colors. Some will take advantage of a (too-generous) system.
(Read about how asian students trying to get visa's "play" our system.)
Hard working tax payers resent and abhor this as they should. Media gives it "play" because it's sensational and gets us worked up.
(Let's do another story on how Mt. Rainier just might erupt- hey- it could happen)
This issue is very complex difficult and unpresidented. Being extreme - or reacting or responding to extreme rhetoric makes matters worse.
41. Democrats purport to be the party for the "working man". Democrats are supported by Unions. Unions are supporting illegal aliens to prop up the losing membership. Illegal aliens are undercutting the wages and benefits of the "working man" and increasing the taxes by sapping government programs. It seems that the Democrats are interested in one thing, continued power, regardless of the "working man" and regardless of the cost to society.
42. Let's hope they enforce existing laws about illegal voting - which will take some doing, but the USA will be a better place for it.
If and when they do, there will be some heads rolling (Deanron's namely) in King County Government. Seems that is what it will take for the Feds to start their long overdue investigation.
43. The SEIU? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
They are about the most crooked bunch of socialist "band lays" that ever existed.
44. The SEIU? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
They are about the most crooked bunch of socialist "band lays" that ever existed.