This exchange probably takes the cake for the silliest comments made by public officials about the Capitol Hill bloodbath:
When asked by City Councilmember Tom Rasmussen whether the shootings were a hate crime, [Seattle deputy police chief Clark] Kimerer said all possibilities are being investigated.Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at March 28, 2006 06:07 PM | Email This
So how can you get it to be a hate crime (except against Sushi).
By the way, Sushi went to military school and was in the military, Palouse. Check his profile on "my space".
http://www.myspace.com/sushiismyname
Please go here for an example.
Trance music aims for a hypnotic state with a combination of hard, up-tempo, four-on-the-floor beats, arpeggiated sequences, and euphoric, anthem-like refrains.
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Posted by: Richard Pope on March 28, 2006 11:49 PMAs a "survivor" of the local, small town party culture of the late 60's-early 70's, I find elements of the "Rave" culture to be strikingly similar to the rock concert, hard-core party scene I once was a part of. We were a tightly bonded core of social misfits searching for identity in a troubled world. We worked, attended school, tinkered with cars, had girlfriends, partied and eventually (most in our early to mid-twenties) grew up. The troubling part was that some did not grow up. Some died along the way in car accidents, some OD'ed, some committed suicide. Several never grew up and died later, after years of troubled marriages, hit-and-miss employment, and of course, drugs and alcohol. As I look back, the majority of those who fell along the way were similar to Kyle Huff; quiet, introspective, never connecting with others or with life. They lived along the fringes and, for the most part, died alone.
I encourage each of you to rmemeber not only what happened on Capitol Hill, but also consider the survivors. As a survivor myself, I often wish I'd done more to help those who fell along the way. I encourage each of you to consider what we could do to help troubled young folks find a better way before they too, fall to the wayside. God Bless.
Posted by: Saltherring on March 29, 2006 07:27 AMA pure, absolutely guiltless hate.
Romans 9:13: As it is written, ``Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.''
Revelation 2:6: But this you have, that you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
You see it's not a sin to hate. The left always throws out the "God of Love", well I am throwing out the "God of Hate."
The left loves to be nonjudgmental, so much so when the see someone else make judgments they judge that attitude to be "hate."
Hypocrisy to the nth degree.
I am making a judgement on the left. My judgement is that I hate the kind of philosophy, politics and agendas they have for what it doing to us. It is the same reason I have an implacable hatred for communism and socialism.
The subversion of individual liberty to power of the state.
Hate crimes are one same step away from "thought crimes."
When the Rasmussen's of the world have enough power it will become a crime to disagree with them. For historical references see Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, et. al.
I don't hate Rasmussen, I hate his ideas, his politics and his agenda.
Posted by: JCM on March 29, 2006 07:35 AMSteve-dog is also correct. The Times and PI have said nothing about the drugs and alcohol in the house. They have also said little of the fact late-twenty and thirty-somethings were partying with 14 and 15 year old girls. There is only one reason young girls were allowed into that house. Where are the laws to protect young people from sexual predators? Young teens are NOT consenting adults!
Posted by: Saltherring on March 29, 2006 08:38 AMRemember... 15 can get you 20.
Posted by: Mike H on March 29, 2006 09:40 AMKyle Huff did us all a nice favor by killing himself on the spot. At least he got that part right.
Posted by: Jeff B. on March 29, 2006 09:49 AMRemember... 15 can get you 20.
Don't get me wrong, I am NOT advocating the adults in this case should have been interacting socially with those teenagers after hours. But I have always wondered what the "line" is. For example, a seventeen year old can date (and presumably have sex) with a 15 year old. Yet as soon as that seventeen year old turns 18, he's committing a crime? If so, I could have been arrested as a teenager when I was 18 dating a 17 year old, as I am sure alot people could be.
So what was the "magic age" that the older kids had to be in this case to tell the teenagers to go away?
Posted by: Palouse on March 29, 2006 09:51 AMI think the law says something to the affect that if you are within a certain amount of years, and that number depends on the age, it's not a crime (i.e., a 21 year old sleeping with a 17 year old is legal, but an 18 year old sleeping with a 14 is illegal, or something like that).
Posted by: Mike H on March 29, 2006 10:26 AMWhen I was a kid we had a term for 20 something guys with 14 year old girls: child molestors.
A few issues need to be separated and addressed. First off, Huff was a sick puppy who should burn in hell. Second, if the guys who lived in the house were supplying drugs or alcohol to the junior high aged girls they brought home at 4am, they should be charged.
The MSM has no problem turning this into a call for gun control, but god forbid they caution parents about letting your pre-teen daughters party til 4am and go home with a bunch of wanna be statuatory rapists to get drunk and high.
Posted by: Kevin on March 29, 2006 10:36 AMAnd, as for "every man for himself" quite honestly if someone started shooting in a house I was in with a bunch of pot smoking ravers I would save myself as well instead of some foolhardy attack on someone who would mow you down in a second. They were just someone I would be hanging out with, and not worth some self sacifice act of bravery. For me I would do everything I could to save my own skin, even if I had to use someone else as a shield.
But again, of course I wouldn't have been there in the first place.
Posted by: JJ on March 29, 2006 03:57 PMI don't hate Rasmussen, I hate his ideas, his politics and his agenda. - JCM
Do you not hate Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot et. al. or is it only their politics and agendas JCM that you don't like?
I once saw an interview with Hitler's secretary. And she said that he was a very good boss to work for. Kind and considerate. And I also know that he liked dogs and had a fondness for children.
If you personally met Hilter me might have come off to you as a perfectly likable guy. BUT it is exactly his ideas, politics and agenda that made HIM worthy of hatred regardless of any likable traits that he might have had. He might have seemed like a good person outwardly but his ideas, politics, and agenda made HIM EVIL.
No I will freely say I HATE Rasmussen. I hate him because of his ideas, politics and agenda, but I hate HIM and consider him evil, just like I would consider Hitler evil even if he was likable if I met him in person. What he did with his ideas, politics and agenda makes him worthy of hate, just like it does Rasmussen.
And I was referring primarily to whomever actually resided in the house (not sure if Sushi was one of the residents). I don't expect ravers to go around packing.
Posted by: Palouse on March 29, 2006 05:41 PMThese were not all street kids. These were not all urban types. Lots of them were suburban brats.
So, this isn't just a problem with Seattle but with suburban parents who allow their kids to go to Seattle for raves and such.
Posted by: J.J. on March 29, 2006 07:06 PMRasmussen isn't worth the effort of hate... yet. He and is ilk are still stoppable.
I have more pity than hate for people as historically ignorant as him. His politics have been proven to be bankrupt in the last century. I for now I find him a pathetic figure spouting nonsense.
I if it comes to him having the power to follow in footsteps of his idols, the very item he wishes to ban will have restored power to the people.
For those who are liberally inclined that is not a threat, just the reason the founders left the power in the hands of the people, and insured the right to keep and bear arms.
Posted by: JCM on March 29, 2006 07:14 PMAnd when I say liberals, I include most Republicans in this state.
I am not going to vote this year. I think that is the best thing we as conservatives can do.
Posted by: Conservative, Not Republican on March 29, 2006 07:25 PMHe is a good frog boiler and we don't need him weakening the resolve of the Republican party.
Posted by: Conservative, Not Republican on March 29, 2006 07:36 PMMost Republican grassroots pcos and other Republican supporters are just stupid.
Posted by: Conservative, not Republican on March 29, 2006 07:39 PMI think we should have a full time "RINO" bash column here each day so some of our friends on the outer edges of the party can vent their spleen and draw the venom from their political wounds.
That way people don't feel the need to embarass themselves on rather sensitive postings like this one.
As for CnR, I've always felt rather sketchy about him...always pick up odd vibes. Might be fun to invite him to a King County YR event to see how he'll interact.
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For all practical purposes --politically--you are a liberal.
Thanks for the illustration.
If you threw the liberal agenda at the public all at once there would be a tremendous backlash. Liberal Republicans ensure that such a backlash won't happen or even it the backlash does happen that it won't result in conservative policies being enacted.
If I will get liberalism regardless then I would rather have the type that liberal Democrats bring for they are more above the board about what they are doing and it at least gives us some chance to organize opposition against them.
Posted by: Conservative, not Republican on March 30, 2006 09:56 AMhttp://tinyurl.com/ovx2r
The raver community is getting together to help the survivors of the shooting. The ones who lived in the house but were not shot. In and of itself, great. Right.
Well here is some of the stuff they want to have people contribute to help the survivors.
"### ENTERTAINMENT ###
Weed. Beer. Wine. Hard liquor. Smokes, black American Spirits are their faves. Did I mention that they could really use some weed?
After all, if there has ever been a time to enjoy Initiative 75, this is it. "
### DIRECTIONS ###
Drop your stuff off at 1122 Broadway Ave E at Broadway and Prospect,
one block West of 10th Ave E. Here's a map:
http://tinyurl.com/b36yk
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Hello SPD, are you out there? This seems like a perfect time for a drug bust since they practically announced it to the whole world by putting it in their Google group.
Posted by: J.J. on March 30, 2006 10:13 PMTo the extent that liberal Republicans are secretive about their liberalism, I agree with you although not quite to the degree of calling them a “far greater threat.” Reagan was right when he said its better to take 70% of the one you agree with than none of the one you don’t. I don’t agree with anything liberals believe. Most conservatives are in the Republican Party, and none are in the d-rat party. There is a lot to disagree with in everything (especially the Washington State Republican Party) but tearing down the only possible political safe harbor available is foolish and emotionally immature.