The Patriot Act renewal passed the US Senate 89 to 10. It was modified with additional privacy protections. This is a clear victory for President Bush.
In a previous vote fifteen senators voted to filibuster it including our own Senators Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell. The roll call on filibuster
Senator Cantwell, after voting that there be no vote, voted in favor of the Partiot Act itself. She voted against it before she voted for it. Explain that!
Murray voted against it twice.
Hat tip Joseph Cantu.
Posted by Ron Hebron at March 02, 2006 10:51 PM | Email This"I actually voted for it before I voted against it"
Now it's:
I actually voted against it before I voted for it"
Nope that won't work, let's see
I actually voted against it until a democratic majority amendment was added to it and until the guarantee was there that our troops would come home in a week and a guarantee that any catastrophy like Katrina would be handled in a day, and that there would be no drilling in Anwar so we could send all our money to the very rich arab countries that hate our ass.
Yeh after all that:
I voted for the Patriot act!
Posted by: GS on March 2, 2006 11:11 PMI voted against the Patriot act.
I voted for the Patriot act.
Brilliant! (Gag, retch)
Let's make sure Cantvotewell is a one term wonder.
Then when can concentrate on evicting those smelly wore out sneakers next Senate race.
Doing the other way around - voting for a filibuster THEN for the bill - is simply mind-boggling...
I don't think either of our two esteemed Senators could think themselves out of a nap... I know Justice Ginsberg couldn't...
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49070
Posted by: Edmonds Dan on March 3, 2006 08:07 AMhttp://jfrancislehman.blogspot.com/2006/03/that-harmless-and-neccessary-patriot.html
Posted by: Steven Donegal on March 3, 2006 09:12 AMName one person who was harmed by the Patriot Act. ANd let me remind you that the student who claimed he was investigated when he tried to check out Moa's Little Red Book, was a hoax. But a moonbat such as yourself wouldn't know that because the liberal media suppressed it.
Posted by: pbj on March 3, 2006 09:18 AMAnd how about this fellow: http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/opinions/story/3207984p-11923376c.html
His check to pay off his credit card was above his usual limits so this set off sensers that requires DHS to be contacted in order to clear his payment. No, it's not 'harm', but it's certainly none of their business.
This is all fine and good for y'all so long as 'your boy' is in the White House. Let me know how you feel when a Democrat has this authority. My inclination is that your passivity will be somewhat less so then. Government has never given up authority once it has it and it's not going to give it up this time either.
Posted by: Rex on March 3, 2006 09:28 AMput down your pom poms and pay attention. the war in iraq is all but LOST (per bill buckley, george will and john derbyshire, among so many others).
so while you are celebrating this "victory", look through the bottom of the glass and perhaps you'll focus in on the larger, more dismal, results of this incompentent president.
"you're doing a helluva job brownie"
"we don't torture"
And for anyone that fills out a patriot act waiver for a house, you are only noticing this because it isn't normal yet. You seem to not have a problem filling out all sorts of registration documents for Washington state and pay taxes when you register a car, pet, etc. I would say it is none of the States business on any of this stuff either.
The government's responsibilities should be
1. Foreign relations
2. Security
3. Roads
4. Enforcing the Constitution as written
Um, a Democrat has had this authority. Let me know when Chimpy's tanks start knocking down walls. Let me know when McBushHitler's agents gun down a man's wife. Be sure to let me know when Bush's brownshirts storm a private residence and forcefully remove a young boy.
Until then, keep looking for the bogeyman under your bed.
Posted by: jimg on March 3, 2006 09:52 AMso, we don't have to worry about the slow deterioriation of separation of church and state, the absence of checks and balances on each branch of government, the loss of civil liberties and usurpation by govt of individual rights until bush orders tanks to knock down walls, etc.
your confidence in politicians is profound.
Posted by: dinesh on March 3, 2006 09:59 AMhere's one where they busted in on a partially paralyzed guy who had accidentally taken an overdose of his seizure medication. oh, and this guy was a retired air force squadron commander.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Mar-02-Thu-2006/news/6149873.html
but it's all good because Clinton/Reno did it too. keep whistling past the graveyard, fellas. good to see you can vest so much trust in your politicians so long as they have (R) after their name.
Posted by: Rex on March 3, 2006 10:27 AMTreasury got rolled into DHS. Treasury for years has been notified of monetary transaction greater than $10K.
That's not Patriot Act. It has been law for at least 20 years (part of the War on Drugs).
Before the Patriot Act Fed Agents could request the cooperation of business and other Government bodies. Patriot Act requires either subpoena or search warrant.
Before the Patriot Act FBI Criminal Investigations COULD NOT share information with FBI Counter Intelligence or FBI Counter Terrorism.
Simply put if a FBI Special Agent who work in criminal investigation had suspicions about Mohammed Atta, but no criminal activity he could not tell the guy at the next desk if he work in Counter Terror.
The Pentagon's Able Danger unit ID Mohammed Atta, the law would not let them tell the FBI, CIA or any other agency.
Worried about government nosing around your business?
How about the proposal to put transponders in your car and charge road tolls based on when and where you drive.
That's the government knowing in detail where you go. It's the Dems pushing that one.
I am more worried about Ron Sims' CAO than the FBI obtaining a no-knock sneak and peak warrant to snoop around my house. Sims and 13 council members just took 2/3 of folks property, the FBI had to get a search warrant from a judge.
Need I remind you of 900 FBI files.
Chuck Schumer releasing sections of the secret FBI files on court nominees to the press.
Jim McDermott illegally transferring (pled guilty) illegally recorded tapes to the press.
The leak of top secret active NSA intelligence operations to the press.
Read all about the Patriot Act.
Posted by: JCM on March 3, 2006 10:32 AMWhere have all the libertarians gone? Republican politics has devolved into a screeching refrain of "CLINTON DID IT FIRST!" and it does none of the actual citizenry of this country any good. The politicians of this country are hurting us and no one seems to give a damn so long as you can play cheerleader for your team.
That would have taken care of the terrorist problem from the Middle East. Then, we need to stop getting involved in so many foreign adventures. That includes being so chummy with Israel They're big boys and girls, now, and can take care of themselves without us.
Posted by: Libertarian on March 3, 2006 10:59 AMAnd you know where to find me. Good.
Posted by: jimg on March 3, 2006 12:10 PM"How about demos in washington.
We can't smoke in a bar, can't get a lap dance, have a drink in a strip club, soon can't talk on a cell phone while driving, etc."
You're right...no Repubs voted for any of these..Evangelicals would never support restrictions such as these...friggin moron
Posted by: wanderer on March 3, 2006 12:40 PMRex - Bull Sh-IT!
You are a liar. No one has ever had to do that. And you are making crap up. Unless you wish to post your full name, address and contact info for yourself and your bank and reference the account number, I would say shut up.
Yet another liberal liar.
Posted by: pbj on March 3, 2006 01:43 PMhere's one where they busted in on a partially paralyzed guy who had accidentally taken an overdose of his seizure medication. oh, and this guy was a retired air force squadron commander.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Mar-02-Thu-2006/news/6149873.html
but it's all good because Clinton/Reno did it too. keep whistling past the graveyard, fellas. good to see you can vest so much trust in your politicians so long as they have (R) after their name." - Rex
Rex, I looked at that link and you are tryijg to say it was because of the Patriot Act. That is a lie!
The powers used to raid that guys house have NOTHING to do with the Patriot Act. Of course you KNEW that but are trying to pass this off as somehow being a result of the Patriot Act and that is a LIE!
From that link:
"Thomas Spear, who had brain surgery the year before, was taking a number of medications, including an anti-seizure drug. He called his wife about 5 p.m. and asked her to take him to the hospital because he had taken an extra dose of the medication.
About the same time, the Spears' son called police and told them his father was suicidal and had guns in the house, said officer Tim Bedwell, a police spokesman."
Perhaps it is because the man's son called the police saying he was suicidel and had guns was the reson the SWAT team came out?
Once again, a liberal caught in their lie.
Posted by: pbj on March 3, 2006 01:48 PMYour post does make some sense, and you are correct up to a point. Yes, the filibuster is used to extend debate, and may be used by the minority to be heard. But all too often it's just used as a tool to block legislation. Robert KKK Byrd didn't filibuster Civil Rights legislation because he wanted more debate, he wanted to block the bill.
As to your assertion that Cantwell wanted to make changes to the bill, OK, please list the amendments she sponsored. If a senator wants to change a bill she introduces an amendment. It will have history. Perhaps it's voted down in committee. Yes, the R's are the majority and they chair the committees. So Cantwell's amendments may not have gotten out of committee, if so, please cite the amendments and history so we can see how the amendments didn't get to the senate floor for a vote. If you want to convince us of the virtue of Cantwell's position show us how she wanted to change the bill by listing her amendments.
So what was the point of voting to extend debate? It was to appease the far left wing of the democratic party, and her vote for the bill was to show that she is tough on protecting our country from attack from the left, oops, I mean those that wish to destroy our country, oops, that's the democratic party.
Intelligent debate please. Until your comments about Mr. McGavick I thought that you were serious. But you couldn't resist a cheap shot.
Liberals, strong on hating America, weak on debate.
Posted by: Obi-Wan on March 3, 2006 09:02 PMSenator Cantwell, after voting that there be no vote, voted in favor of the Partiot Act itself. She voted against it before she voted for it. Explain that!
That's easy. A filibuster is not a vote against, it is a vote to continue the debate.
Cantwell isn't against the Patriot Act, she just wants to have the opportunity to address some concerns.
Murray voted against it because she felt that there were some things included in it that she absolutely didn't agree with.
Both Senators voted their conscience.
Posted by: David A on March 6, 2006 08:44 AMKennedrunk, Kerry, Clinton, Schumer voted against extending the filibuster. If Maria had concerns, why didn't those liberals?
After the 2000 and 2004 elections she knows she's in for a tight race and is pandering to her base.
Posted by: Obi-Wan on March 7, 2006 10:38 AM