AP headline: "Kennewick Man buried by others, scientist finds"
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at February 24, 2006 12:46 PM | Email ThisFriggin Lost was a repeat this week dammit.
Posted by: Palouse on February 24, 2006 12:51 PMStill, Kennewick Man is the coolest thing to come from the Tri-Cities region since "The Bomb".
Posted by: Reporterward on February 24, 2006 01:46 PMIt's a rhetorical question, but it does challenge the navtive Americans' claim on moral superiority over us Eurpoean American. If this country had some white immigrants across the Berign Strait then the indians lose a littel of their "native" status and holier-than-thou image!
Guess what? We're all immigrants or the descendant of immigrants in this country no matter what color you are.
Posted by: Libertarian on February 24, 2006 01:55 PM"Researchers have disagreed over whether Kennewick Man was buried by other people or swept up in a flood and encased in sediment."
Posted by: JDB on February 24, 2006 02:02 PMlol, good stuff...
I knew there had to be a way to turn this topic into a political discussion ;)
Posted by: Palouse on February 24, 2006 02:24 PMNo. Folks read the article just fine including myself.
I don't think that Kennewick man was "white" persay. Not like what would we consider a Norwegian, Anglo, Celt or Latin at least (John Luc Picard appearances to the contrary). Rather than making the left turn into Europe like the ancestors of modern Europeans, his folks made a right turn across Asia and into North America.
(History geek warning)
The fact that he was buried "by others" as this scientist postulates is interesting in the fact that ancient peoples migrating here show similar (perhaps) religious beliefs with other cultures around the world how to treat their dead.
The other interesting "point" brought up in the article is how the spear head lodged in Kennewick man is different than from the types typically found here in the state.
This suggests that there was either a different culture of people here 9,000 years ago who made their spears differently. The spear was made by people elsewhere who then came here. Or the spear head was traded somehow and brought from afar. (I favor the first guess although all are exciting)
As for our native tribes in the area, I personally find their myths and cultures rather fascinating and even superior to the more famous tribes on the Great Plains, Southwest and elsewhere.
The Nisqually Indians, of Pierce County, for instance, are actually probably originally from somewhere in Eastern Washington. They were either forced out or migrated to this side of the mountains around the time horses first came here around 1600 or 1700. Since horses and old growth cedar and fir forests don't mix, they burn't down vast swathes of timber in order to provide pasture for their horses.
The fact is that with the combinations of inter-tribal warfare, trade, drought, disease, migratory patterns of game animals, natural disasters; tribes that would live in one area would inevitably move on to other areas.
So any suggestion that the Puyallup, Nez Perce, Flatheads, Yakima or any Salish tribe were the "first" inhabitants in this region is false.
Posted by: Reporterward on February 24, 2006 02:41 PM
Someone get Kennewick Man a voter registration card.
Too late! Eight Kennewicks are already registered to vote in this state. Seems none of them were born before 8000 B.C., though.
"We are finding out they were coming thousands of years earlier than we had thought," arriving not just over the Bering Strait but also by boats and other means.
What "other means" would have been available in addition to going by sea in "boats" and by land across "Beringia" during one of the ice ages?
Posted by: Micajah on February 24, 2006 03:19 PMNow, there may prove to be enen more to this story. Perhaps Kennewick man was actually "transgender". Think about that a bit.
I have heard rumors that the Gay & Lesbian crowd is also staking a claim to him/her/it. Kennewick Whatever could wind up being in a float during the Freemount Gay Pride Parade!
Now that would be something to be proud about!
My guess is other means == some sort of Hybrid vehicle.
Posted by: Mr. Cynical on February 24, 2006 03:26 PMMuch of what is attributed to their various cultures is fiction, their oral histories are beyond inadequate, they were a crude stone-age culture that did NOT live "harmoniously with nature", their agricultural efforts were minimal and inefficient, and they were prone to cannibalism to the point of keeping enemies as livestock.
Posted by: H Moul on February 24, 2006 04:28 PMUnder that hypothesis the Europeans got here first, and migrated accross the country from the East Coast.
That would explain why the Clovis spear points found on the East Coast, say at Cactus Hill Va. date older than the Clovis points found on the West Coast.
The logic behind this is that the only other place in the world where Clovis points are found is in the Solutrean area of what is now France.
'OMIGOD', it is possible that early 'Frenchies' got here first, and brought their technology with them.
If the early French folks, some 16,000 years ago, were anything like their modern day ancestors, one could understand why the later arriving Native Americans, were taking 'pot shots' at them.
Posted by: Jim Wallace Jr. on February 24, 2006 04:36 PMIf there is a 50 year old man named M.R. Kennewick who is a U.S citizen, has not committed a felony, is of sound mind, and lives at the Bellevue address given, then he is good to go. Do you have a problem with that?
FYI - Zabasearch confirms M.R Kennewick at the given address, so two of the six requires appear to be satisified.
Huck
Posted by: huckleberry on February 25, 2006 09:49 AM---------
I think it's clear that is one way to go, but the far more likely way to go is that it is proof that Kennewick Man-era Republicans refused to build proper levees, probably out of racist intent.
Posted by: Marc on February 25, 2006 01:40 PMOink Oink Oink Oink Oink
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002827677_housebudget25m.html
The House plan adds about $490 million in spending to the $26 billion, two-year state budget adopted last spring.
The rest they are saving for their massive pensions
And they are praising their restraint...Ha Ha Ha Ha
Restraint ... Ha Ha Ha Ha
Restraint ... Ha Ha Ha Ha
Posted by: GS on February 25, 2006 04:51 PMNow lighten up! I was not attacking you! Gain a sense of humor, it might be fun!
""This is a very rare discovery. You could count on your fingers the number of relatively complete skeletons from this time period," Owsley said."
Shame on the indian tribes who tried to hide this important discovery. It's time to stop all of this "Native American" special treatment crap.
We are all modern Americans who's ancestors migrated here and should be treated equally. (Note: I personally happen to be descended from native Americans of the Canadian variety.)
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And, one could surmise that you, sir, are uneducated at best, or a bigot at worst. Crude Stone Age Culture? Interesting, considering that the Iroquois, for example, have one of the oldest continually active participatory democracies in the world... Not bad for a bunch of "Crude Stone Agers".
As far as cannibalism, I'd love to see actual proff of your assertions regarding the "Keeping enemies as livestock". I think it's a load of crap, personally, and I doubt you'd prove it. While the Iroquois (as an example again) were rumoured to have practiced some ceremonial cannibalism hundreds and hundreds of years ago (pre-Iroquoian democracy in the 1100s) the practice abruptly stopped, and instead enemy captives were normally adopted instead. Now, other tribes were and are different - especially in central america. But, only an uneducated buffoon would lump all of us together.
This is what I love about Kennewick man. Some scientist uses the word "Caucasoid", and idiots read it as "Caucasian" and think "OMG! The Indians killed off the white race here!!!!". Way to jump to conclusions here. You're so eager to absolve your ancestors of wrongdoing, that you'll grab any straw that presents itself.
Well, no matter what happens with Kennewick man, you only need to know one thing:
How this country handled itself with the various rtibes after the war of independence was wrong, dishonorable, and was certainly genocidal. Nothing you could ever say will change that one simple fact.
So move on and get over it. Most of us indians already have.
You say, "How this country handled itself with the various rtibes [sic] after the war of independence was wrong,
dishonorable, and was certainly genocidal. Nothing you could ever say will change that one simple fact."
Wrong . . . it isn't so, and since it isn't so . . . that means it is not a fact.
How about them apples?
Present company obviously excluded ;'}
Posted by: alphabet soup on February 28, 2006 04:06 PMnow--who compensates ME for all the invading hordes trampling MY lowly ancestors in Europe (and causing MY "leftover descendent-induced stress")?
you see--this argument never ends; everyone gets a historical "move on" in my book; how far back in history do we compensate people and continue to bitch? sure--learn from history but it's not a guilt-checkbook;
So long as it never learns, it never quits.
Jimmie-howya-doin,
Those who read history refuse to ignore it and those who don't refuse to take responsibility for it.
Posted by: Amused by liberals on March 3, 2006 10:15 AM