February 15, 2006
McGavick Interview at Operation: Red Washington

I interviewed US Senate candidate Mike McGavick today, and you can hear the result here. He made a pitch to both moderates and conservatives, and outlined why he thinks he's got a great shot at winning in November. He also shared his thoughts on how he thinks the state GOP needs to change in order to win more elections, specifically in regards to the issues it focuses on. Anyone planning to vote in November should listen to this interview.

Another highlight was his endorsement of the Internet-driven Porkbusters project, previously discussed on this site by Jim Miller. I discuss that in more detail at my personal site here.

On a vaguely related note, you might be interested in a new project my wife and I have just started called Past Cast, a weekly podcast "bringing history to life through the spoken, sung and written word." Our first episode is on Abraham Lincoln.

Posted by Timothy Goddard at February 15, 2006 09:31 PM | Email This
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1. Good interview by Mike im 17 and tommorow im going to Olympia with my highschool marketing class. We are meeting with a state senator a few represenitives and hopefully the governor.....im not looking forward to the goveror but i geuss i should look into asking her some tough ?'s

Posted by: andre on February 15, 2006 09:33 PM
2. Andre, you could ask the queen why her approval numbers aren't as high as her margin of victory in the 2004 election!

Posted by: dave on February 15, 2006 10:11 PM
3. At the coffee shop this morning, one of the baristas told me that her dad used to work at Real Networks, Maria Cantwell's old compnay. The barista told me everyone at her dad's office voted for Maria for Senator because they wanted her out of the company, and sending her off to the US Senate was a expedient way to get rid of her.

I wonder how many more Washington politicians have their positions because their former co-workers think these pols would do less harm in elected office than working in the private sector.

Posted by: Libertarian on February 16, 2006 08:28 AM
4. Good Morning,


Ladies and Gentleman these three previous
comments are pretty indicative of the problem
McGavick has.You have three comments and the
only mention of McGavick is by someone who
isn't even old enough to vote.And in the 10
hour period this story has been posted that's
all that has been said about McGavick.

One more time Susan is not running. This has
nothing to with her.So you people that
continue to take shots at me should be more
concerned about who is running than who
isn't and why McGavick isn't gaining any
ground.

Posted by: phil spackman on February 16, 2006 09:02 AM
5. phil spackman - Who's Susan?

Posted by: Libertarian on February 16, 2006 09:13 AM
6. Phil, the last Rasumssen poll I saw had Cantwell 51-36 over McGavick and that had not changed much in the last three polls. McGavick isn't gaining much ground because he probably doesn't have that much more he can gain. I expect the final tally will be something like 55-40 Cantwell with 5% spread among the minor candidates. If he really campaigns well McGavick might close the final margin to about 10 points, but that still means losing. In politics, playing them close, gaining a "moral victory" still gets you the gate. Without Rossi in the race (which was his choice to make, and I think he made the right choice) this was no more than a long shot anyway.

Washington is a blue state. It has incumbent 'Rat Senators. They don't do much except bad-mouth Bush and vote against Republican initiatives, which probably plays well with the majority of the WA state electorate. A challenger to a 'Rat incumbent really has to give a good reason to voters to throw out the 'Rat in favor of someone new. That is easier to do if the 'Rat screws up royally but Cantwell has not done that. She hasn't done much of anything, really, except bad-mouth Bush, but that is probably not enough to have people want to kick her out.

But, there is an upside. At least McGavick gets to polish his concession speech.

Posted by: Interested Observer on February 16, 2006 09:25 AM
7. Remember the tactic Gorton used to unseat Magnusson?

Two top of the line Democratic Senators (Jackson and Porkbarrel Magnusson) being in office forever. Gorton said it is time to phase out one of them and replace with a younger senator, so that Washington State power (through seniority)remains after Jackson retires. Too bad it was the young Jackson that died and left us weak.

A spinoff in today's race is that "what good are two Democrat Senators when the Senate is run by Republicans?" "We need a Republican Senator in D.C. to protect our interests!" At least one.

I think that can get some Ds defecting especially when it can get pointed out that Cantwell is weak.

But, it takes someone to take their gloves off and start punching away.

Posted by: swatter on February 16, 2006 09:59 AM
8. The national Dems decided last year that Cantwell needs something to hang her hat on, so they made her the leader in the charge to stop the ANWR drilling, and it worked. I suspect you'll hear about that ad nauseum in the upcoming campaign.

I agree a Republican senator would have more pull for our state. I don't think there would be continued efforts in the budget to redirect BPA surpluses to pay down the national debt (a blue state tax) if we had at least one senator who had real access to the President. But that won't play with the hate Bush crowd.

Posted by: Palouse on February 16, 2006 10:35 AM
9. Hey Palouse…

If I may... remind everyone that it was in 1973, Prez Jimmy “inflation is good,” Carter, signed the “ANWAR OIL RESERVE ACT”

Posted by: tacoma phlash on February 16, 2006 10:58 AM
10. Libertarian:

Who's Phil Spackman?

Posted by: Cliff on February 16, 2006 11:02 AM
11. Something to keep in mind--McGavick's polls look a lot like Dino Rossi's did at this point...

Beyond that, every penny Cantwell spends on this race is a penny the Dems can't spend on legislative races. And beyond that, McGavick is sure to be popular in some districts represented by Democrats, and his coattails there may help us take back the legislature even if he doesn't win. Washing your hands of the whole thing just because the odds are long is just silly.

Swatter's got the right idea regarding how Cantwell can be beat, and if you listen to the interview, that's the strategy McGavick is taking.

One thing, though, about McGavick that a lot of people here won't like is that he's going to be much, much nicer to Cantwell than they would prefer.

Posted by: Timothy on February 16, 2006 11:14 AM
12. What gets me phlash is that I hear people who I know are not conservatives complain all the time about inflation and the price of gas. Of course, they blame it on something completely unrelated like the war in Iraq instead of where it belongs, like the fact that a new refinery hasn't been built in this country in over 20 years because of regulations and we can't get any more supply because of drilling restrictions.

Posted by: Palouse on February 16, 2006 11:21 AM
13. There is no chance in hay that I will vote for an insurance executive. Safeco's turnaround was marked by a tendancy to drop home owner's policies after the insured made a single claim.

Good for business, bad for politics.

Posted by: husky93 on February 16, 2006 11:30 AM
14. Once again, it stands out that Mike McGavick does not articulate any conservative principle. He chants "limited Government" but not only fails to articulate any rational limitation, once he has repeated the phrase (and lauded Ronald Reagan) to soothe the base, he immediately begins touting how he would use government as our general problem solver. That is the theme of his campaign ads.

In Timothy's interview Mike hints at being an environmentalist, (which he can play two ways politically) but gives no hint of curbing the business-destroying, land-grabbing environmentalist Washington State juggernaut. Indeed, his plan is "more local control." While he wants to make that sound like Federalism, as a practical matter ask yourself the following question: "Who is more likely to take my property rights - George Bush bureaucrats or Christine Gregoire and Ron Sims bureaucrats?" McGavick articulates no principle that tells us where he stands on the substantive issues. But his background does.

Federalism? No way. He thinks we can make headway with the electorate on the education issue by furthering the destruction of Federalism. He endorses Ted Kennedy's education program and begins to reveal his roots as an Outcome Based Education activist in the early '90s (when he helped destroy State Education through HB 1209 and when Slade (with Mike on staff) supported Clinton’s destructive federal education initiative). Mike wants MORE FEDERAL CONTROL in education. That is his answer!

Mike touts his viability with Democrats by (legitimately) mentioning his support for Cultural Marxism under the code-word "diversity." Affirmative Action (with its hidden discrimination) has no enemy in Mike.

His answer to PORK is "principled spending" under which he asserts Washington State will get plenty of Federal money. And he endorses the mantra of all "moderates" in both Parties who pretend to "fiscal conservatism": efficiency! We can do all the Democrats want to do with Government, we just will do it more efficiently!
The only limit he has proposed to Government is trust in Mike McGavick to "make the right choice."

Finally, we see who Mike McGavick really is in his fawning approval of two politicians: former Democrat Vice-Presidential nominee Joe Lieberman and John "screw the First Amendment, I will control political speech" McCain.

Case Closed.

Posted by: Doug Parris on February 16, 2006 11:49 AM
15. Well, I'm not sure we can do much worse than Cantwell if it's conservatism you favor. Take a look at some of the conservative organizations that rank moc's. They post their positions on significant bills that go through congress and then rate moc's based on how they voted on those bills. Both Cantwell and Murray scored at the opposite end of the spectrum in the last year that this site has data (2004).

http://www.acuratings.org/statedelegation.asp?state=wa

Posted by: Palouse on February 16, 2006 12:26 PM
16. If poster swatter is correct and the McGavick campaign takes this tack, they could make some headway if they get the message out. It basically comes down to answering this question: what does WA state gain by replacing Cantwell with McGavick? It is clear that the state now has two back-bencher Senators who are ineffective and have not shown they are capable of accomplishing anything as representatives of the state in a minority party. When you're in the minority you have to show initiative in passing an agenda, build bridges to key members on the other side, push compromises, work to form coalitions. From what I've seen, neither Cantwell nor Murray have accomplished this, or much of anything. I mean, what have they got going for them? Cantwell has hung her hat on opposing development of domestic energy resources (thereby making us more beholden to terrorist states) and Murray is generally taken to be an idiot. Being a rabid partisan in the minority party generally gets you little.

Posted by: Interested Observer on February 16, 2006 12:49 PM
17. I am absolutely amazed how it happens that everytime McGavicks name comes up, a large number of posters (mostly first time posters) jumps in immediately to let us all know how Mike McGavick is never going to win and how bad the pools look.

I get the sense that these posters are Cantwell supporters looking to appear "helpful" and worried about how vulnerable the senator is since her support numbers are weak and her resume of accomplishments is non existent.

Mike can win. He has the money, the resume, and the (to use a MSMS word) gravitas. Once his messages hit the media he's going to make Maria look like a mousey little malcontent who can't get anything accomplished.

Serious conservatives should take a good look at Mike McGavick and support him. Conservatives in this state are capable of voting Cantwell out. They just need a reason to and Mike fills that bill.

Posted by: Johnny on February 16, 2006 01:34 PM
18.

Posted by: Johnny on February 16, 2006 01:35 PM
19. Cliff,

Phil Spackman is the guy who posted a comment immediately after my first post on this thread. He mentions somebody named Susan, and I don't know who he's talking about.

Posted by: Libertarian on February 16, 2006 02:14 PM
20. Johnny says:

Serious conservatives should take a good look at Mike McGavick and support him. Conservatives in this state are capable of voting Cantwell out. They just need a reason to and Mike fills that bill.

Johnny, what you have said more or less parallels what Doug said, just using kinder words. Are you a Cantwell lurker?

Posted by: huckleberry on February 16, 2006 02:47 PM
21. Cliff and Libertarian,


The Susan I am refering to is Susan Hutchison.
Will just leave it at that.Other than to say
she is a conservative.

Posted by: phil spackman on February 16, 2006 04:38 PM
22. Libertarian -

I know who both 'Susan' and 'Phil Spackman' are.

It was a rhetorical question.

Posted by: Cliff on February 16, 2006 08:20 PM
23. McGavick needs exposure and then he needs to frame the issues of why he would this state would be better off than with Cant-do-well. It won't be as easy as it seems, because this is a blue-blue state and he has to figure out how to resonate with MSM and the urban elites and somehow deflate their morally relativistic approach that contributes to the cultural stench... Good luck with that, Mike !

Posted by: KS on February 16, 2006 10:05 PM
24. I remember the Gorton blitzkrieg against Magnusson and the Cantwell hypola against Gorton and both of them started after Labor Day.

Let McGavick get his ducks lined up. I don't think the unknown Cantwell was as close as McGavick was at the same time.

If McGavick has gravitas as a poster said, it should be a McGavick runaway.

Posted by: swatter on February 17, 2006 07:42 AM
25. Who is Cliff?

Posted by: Doug Parris on February 17, 2006 03:29 PM
26. McGavick won't come close.

The multitude of polls showing excellent Cantwell numbers is bearing this out: What compelling reason is there for the voters in a Democratic state to oust a moderate Democratic female senator? (After all, if you're honest with yourselves and look at the numbers from the 04 Gov race, it's pretty clear that Rossi didn't really come close to winning, rather Gregoire came close to losing by virtue of running a historically poor campaign.)

So, can a blindingly rich insurance exec beat a Cantwell? Not in this state, in the current political atmosphere, and with McG's very heavy Safeco baggage that will come to light soon enough. His biggest dilemna, however, is the new campaign finance law that essentially prevents him from funding his own campaign without doubling the amount that contributors can give to Cantwell. He's forced, then to attract national R money - and that Bush/Cheney/Delay/Abramoff/Ken Lay stuff doesn't smell so good in these parts.

Bye.

Posted by: Blunder on February 17, 2006 04:42 PM
27. Who is Mike McGavick?

Posted by: Republcan In Exile on February 17, 2006 06:27 PM
28. Doug:

Nobody.

But at least I know it. Phil doesn't.

Posted by: Cliff on February 17, 2006 07:42 PM
29. Blunder, you are right that McGavick does have some baggage being a big-bucks insurance company executive, and I wish the Reps could have come up with a strong candidate who isn't from that kind of background. But with Rossi out (for good reasons, IMO), the bench is kind of thin. Sure, it's a nasty, personal way to attack your opponent, but 'Rats are nothing if not nasty, dirty, and personal.

On the Abramoff thing, if I were you I wouldn't be too eager to grapple with that tarbaby, you just might get stuck. Did you know that the beloved Patty Murray and the sainted Maria Cantwell also raked in Abramoff cash? Sure, it was filtered through Indian tribes, and to Cantwell's credit those funds were then donated to charity rather than being banked. But not-a-rocket-scientist Murray is keeping the dough. Murray says returning it would "taint" the tribes who donated it. Yeah, sure, just like refusing stolen goods from a fence would "taint" the fence. How stupid is that? Then again, Murray has never been what you'd call a mental giant. But Murray and Cantwell will get a pass, because they're 'Rats, whereas McGavick, who has never been accused of taking Abramoff cash, will be hounded about it because he's guilty by association (that "R" after his name).

Posted by: Interested Observer on February 20, 2006 06:06 AM
30. I disagree with your assessment on the Abramhoff situation. I think Murray was right to keep the cash and Cantwell was wrong to return it. Neither has been accused of doing anything other than accept contributions from tribes (many of whom gave to Murray et al prior to Abramhoff's involvement) who have an interest in who gets elected. And remember, Washington has more tribes than any other except Alaska.

While McGavick doesn't have the direct-from-Abramhoff problem, he will indeed be guilty by association as the people who got money directly from him are almost exclusively Republicans.

Is it fair? Who knows. All I can say is Democrats were similarly tarred by any association with former Rep. Dan Rostenkowski who was stealing stamps and bouncing checks at the House Bank. He was the Chair of the Ways and Means Committee so anyone who had business with that committee had business with him. The R's did a great job of implying involvement in the "scandal" by any Democrat who'd ever written a letter to Chairman Rostenkowski or, worse yet, had a picture with him. It was masterful, if entirely deceitful.

The bottom line is 2006 is not going to be a good year for run-of-the-mill Republicans with no compelling answer to the question: What's Maria done so wrong to offend the majority of voters in this blue state in a year that's looking worse and worse for R's by the day?

McGavick is toast.

Posted by: Blunder on February 20, 2006 12:01 PM
31. Huckleberry -
I'm not sure I at all see your point?

How is "Conservatives in this state are capable of voting Cantwell out" at all like the numerous posters who say "McGavick won't come close" because this is a "blue state" (which I guess it is if you live in King County and never leave it.)

How can opposite things mean the same thing?

Posted by: Johnny on February 20, 2006 02:18 PM
32. in a year that's looking worse and worse for R's by the day?

Aww, they're so cute when they've just emerged from their liberal cocoon. Reality, alas, is going to deal harshly with this one, I'm afraid.

Posted by: Timothy on February 20, 2006 07:41 PM
33. "The bacon from Washington DC is a pretty paltry scrap… In the end, you’ve disgraced your government, you’ve wasted the taxpayers’ money, you’ve lowered the credibility of your government, all for want of some project that, in the end, isn’t going to convince the voter to decide whether you are in their interests or not."

This from the former Chief of Staff of one of our great "porkers"!

Oh, the irony . . .

Mr. Goddard, you can and will believe what you want about 2000 and 2004. However, I'd be willing to place a friendly wager that at the end of the evening of November 7, McGavick will have 44 or 45 percent, less if there is a third party. I welcome the R's public portrayal of this race as a "winnable". It's what must be said at this stage. Every expert observer who's analyzed this race (and you're likely not one of them) suggests this will be a long, brutally expensive, and fruitless slog for McGavick. Hell, even Slade Gorton has said so publicly!

Further, McGavick has a terribly difficult choice to make about where he will get the money - some $20 million - to match Cantwell's fundraising abilities and re-elect numbers. With R seats all over the country in jeopardy, this seat will not, come August, be a high priority for national money. And that, my friend, will be the that.

McGavick's move to Capitol Hill from the Highlands will have been for naught but a little ego stroke.

Posted by: Blunder on February 20, 2006 10:58 PM
34. What McGavick, or any challenger to an incumbent, for that matter, has to do, is offer compelling reasons why a sitting Senator should be replaced with a newcomer. Or, alternately, what does replacing Cantwell with McGavick give WA state voters. If the answer is, nothing, or, not much, then I agree that McGavick will lose.

So the question may not come down so much to "what has Cantwell done wrong" more than, what has Cantwell done right? Do the voters of WA state just want a Senator who does nothing wrong, or do they want a Senator who, aside from doing nothing wrong, actually gets something done?

I have to tell you, honestly, that from my observations of national politics over the years, Washington State has had little or no clout in DC (and I think that may have been another factor in Rossi's lack of interest in running for a Senate seat). I don't know why that is, but the fact is that for a good number of years now the state has sent to DC Senators who were not only in the minority party, they were particularly ineffective as members of that minority party. If all you want is a couple of shrills who do nothing but bad-mouth Bush, then, well, fine, stick with what you've got. Butr it seems to me that such a strategy is counterproductive.

Posted by: Interested Observer on February 21, 2006 05:13 AM
35. Blunder, everyone who is sensible knows that McGavick is a long shot against Cantwell. You don't need to keep rubbing it in. Once Rossi opted out, this race automatically went from reasonably winnable to long shot. But what would you have him or the party do, not try? In politics, that's all you can do. Go out and give it your best shot, you never know, good things might happen.

As I noted before, the WA state Repubs had to do the best they could once Rossi turned down the chance to run against Cantwell. Everyone knows that McGavick was on the "B" team, but you've got to go with someone. I'm not sure that running a fat-cat corporate CEO is the best choice, but he is known in the community and brings some political experience (non-elected, granted) to the race. He has centrist positions on some issues and that may sway some of the moderate vote. He may also be able to keep a sizable portion of conservatives in his camp. Will that be enough? My instinct says no, but then again, Rossi won his race going against conventional wisdom, which had Fraudoire a heavy favorite. I think Cantwell is a much better campaigner than thieving Fraudoire, so that will make it a more difficult run for McGavick, but, like I said, all you can do is try.

Posted by: Interested Observer on February 21, 2006 06:30 AM
36. I just listened to this interview. What a colossal waste of time. Empty platitudes and mealy-mouthed blatherings from a man who has no vision or moral center. Blech.

Posted by: Mary on February 22, 2006 12:15 AM
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