February 03, 2006
Crunching through the statewide database with my exquisitely fast server, I find 31,214 pairs that match exactly for birthdate, last name and first name.
1,824 of these pairs are within the same county. 1,408 (77%) of the intracounty duplicates are in King County. Go figure. (1,113 of these are at the same street and house number. Perhaps Dean Logan is still investigating whether these might be identical twins).
Sideshow Bob Terwilliger is in second place with 110 perfect pairs of matching name, address and birthdate.
Unfortunately, the SoS didn't include the county voter ids, so it's going harder to determine which if any of these duplicate registrations voted twice.
UPDATE: I'm finding more evidence of probable double voting than the Secretary of State is letting on. Details on Monday.
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at February 03, 2006
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It would be interesting to know if the intercounty dups from KC are registered at their business address in KC.....
It would also be interesting to know if the dupes in KC are the same ones that the Republican party turned over to Dean Logan weeks before the last election.
2. Are the 1,113 at the same address the King County Elections office address?
3. Stefan, that same street address is probably Roger Rabbits. He's been multiplying quite a bit lately at that site, and in deep depression over the loss of Mr Cynical no longer posting at their site. So he has more time at home with Mrs Rabbit with nothing to do but multiply them Demoncraps.
Uhhh... 31,214 dupes?
Let me get this straight - you've had this database for barely a day, and you've already found over THIRTY ONE THOUSAND dupes?!?!?
What are we paying those so called "professionals" over at Sam Reed's office for, exactly? Give Stefan Sharkansky this man's job!
Further proof that Republicans can't count votes and feel a preternatural need to cheat (if this blog didn't prove that to you already):
No wonder Sharansky bans so many liberals. The truth hurts.
6. I bet SOS Sam and his pal Logan are regretting this whole idea of a database!
"Further proof that Republicans can't count votes and feel a preternatural need to cheat (if this blog didn't prove that to you already):
So what your telling us that they should have just ignored the discrepency and counted the votes like urban liberals do.
Kinda tell's us where your coming from I guess.....
JDB--The Republicans were smart enough to recognize that the numbers didn't tally correctly and immediately had a second vote, which did reconcile votes and voters correctly, unlike Dean Logjam and his cohorts. In King County they never did reconcile the differences between votes and voters, instead choosing to blow it off since their pawn is now in the governor's mansion.
The point of Stefan's post has to do with finding anomolies the annointed ones have insisted aren't there. In fact, if you went to the challenged registration hearings, you would have been handed a sheet of paper before you went in that stated the county rolls had been cleaned up. Talk about bird cage liner.
9. Keep it up Stephan, and we will elect you in the next election. If Sam cannot find it in his jusristiction to research these gross differences, we'll find someone who can!
31,000+ Duplicate voter registrations found and less than 2,000 of them in King County?
I believe there are over 31,000 duplicate voters - but I have a hard time believing that such a "small" amount was discovered in KC!
Can you give a county by county list of the 31,000 dupes? I'd like to see what they've been up to in this state.....
11. 31,000+ Duplicate voter registrations found and less than 2,000 of them in King County? - but I have a hard time believing that such a "small" amount was discovered in KC!
The lion's share of the potential duplicates are mixed counties, e.g. a John Smith in Spokane County and a John Smith in Thurston County who have the same birthdate. Of the potential duplicates where both members of the pair are in the same county, King County had a disproportionately large number.
Burdabee, its worse than that.
The reconciliation form is supposed to be based on two _different_ methods of accounting. When it didn't tally, they said "Well, these numbers are _supposed_ to be identical, so... assume that they are!". Which is amusing when more ballots show up (Leading to the impossibility of more votes counted than paper ballots in hand.)
You can't discover accounting fraud if one of the steps is assuming that you've correctly accounted for all the sources of error - instead of actually measuring.
I was looking at the voter list a couple of years ago and found an acquaintance of mine listed as having two separate registrations. I went down to King County Records and Elections and told them about it, and the woman behind the counter said that they often mistakenly entered change-of-addresses as new registrations.
As my acquaintance had not moved recently, I went and looked at the list again, and noticed that the oldest registration was a poll voter, and the newer registration was a permanent absentee voter, and the poll voter stopped voting when the absentee voter started voting.
So I suspect that my acquaintance submitted an application to switch to permanent absentee and got mistakenly entered as a new registration.
Since she didn't vote twice, no harm was done -- BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN. By her, if she realized what had happened, or by some clever cheat who noticed this trend and started showing up at the polls to vote as her.
Anyway, I suspect a lot of the duplicate registrations are due to the fact that they use, or used, the same form for new registrations as for changes to registrations; weary data entry folk making mistakes.
P.S. -- Despite the fact that I told them about her, she was still registered twice the last time I looked, late last year.
That makes more sense...(if any sense can be made of this madness...)
"State Democratic Party Chairman Dwight Pelz said the new numbers show that the system is working.
"I think what's been troubling about this whole experience is that the Republicans have been trying to challenge our entire democracy by casting doubt on our entire system," he said."
Working for your Stalinist cabal, as Mr. Pelz was once a part of the canvassing board, who lived Stalin's quote about being of those who counted the votes... His quote above was taken from the Howard Dean playbook - he avoids the real issue and makes a durogatory and bull$___ statement. We are trying to fix the system, much to your dismay, so that the leftist side will have less of an unfair advantage in future elections. They can go to he!! if they think we the people are going to stand for status quo corruption - which understandably casts doubts on our system and clowns like you - take it away Mr. Cynical ! Keep up the good fight, Stefan !
16. I hope you are emailing this data to SOS Sam Reed, reather than hoping he will this Blog.
17. Pelz is wrong--doubt was cast on our voter system because the DemocRATS blatantly cheated to put their candidate in office and only he and his clueless kind refuse to see that. The only reason the "evil" Republicans are making an issue out of this is because we don't want to become Cook County West. I find it very interesting that Pelz, typical DemocRAT that he is, offers no real solutions, just the usual emotional, kumbaya blather that he hopes will make the problem go away. It probably irritates him to no end that resources like Sound Politics insist on shining the bright light of truth into the eyes of the rats and the rats are running out of places to hide.
You are all missing a big pool of double voter registrations.
Divorced females who remarry.
My wife gets two ballots every election. One is an absentee ballot in her previous surname with her former husband and one is an absentee ballot in her current marriage with my surname.
Of course, she does not use the ballot with her former name. Being a cranky old geezer, I vote at my local polling place like the Founding Fathers did.
The $64,000 question is: Just how many other females out there in a similar situation are getting double ballots?
And while we are on the subject, just how big is the pool of identity theft victims whose names are stolen so they can be used to defraud? Who is to say that the fraud stops with merchants? Any reason to believe that these thieves are not using the stolen identities to register to vote?
Could they be voting Demon-crat, the party of lax punishments for crime?
Say it ain't so. Go ahead, I double dog dare ya.
19. I found the same problem in Whitman County. I was involved in a small, precinct wide vote and the voter registration was atrotious. My father, who has been dead for 3 years was listed as an active voter. I am pretty sure I know how he would have voted, so maybe I should cast his ballot? What does this do for argument of the "lazy" voting American. We could be voting at a 90 per cent level but because of duplicate records or other sloppy bookeeping, only 47 per cent of "eligible voters are voting". Please continue to question the methods and math of our elected officials.
20. How really disgusting. More & More proof that we need to scrub the rolls by re-registration with proof of identity (a passport since the driver's license ID has been compromised)...maybe every 4 years at least.
21. Well, they are SO good at keeping track of who needs to pay property taxes within each county, aren't they? So we KNOW they could do better with the voter rolls.
They just don't care to.
We need to go to what ever legal level necessary to just throw out the entire voter database and require everyone to re-register, even if that means getting Federal approval given HAVA laws, etc.
This is the kind of problem that would be solved in about a day if this database was important private company data, but will take years and years of "treading lightly" for the government to fix.
It won't matter either way, Dean Logan will still throw batches of unchecked provisionals and absentees in with the other anonymous ballots and count them if they help the Democrat. And if there are any problems, he'll just fire the current Huennekens who will oafishly tell his staff, "we shouldn't have counted those."
Gregoire is the Hester Prynne of voting.
23. Jeff B - Last year when the SoS was having his Election Task Force public meetings, my family and I attended the one at Skagit Valley Community College. Sam Reed et al were trying to tell all of us that they couldn't re-register everyone because it would violate the law to remove anyone from the voter rolls who is eligible to vote. Someone who was there from Evergreen Freedom Foundation spoke to the issue of re-registration - he had in his hand a response from the feds that said there would be NO federal law that would be violated if we wiped the voter rolls clean and started over. Obviously, Sam and the others running this program simply don't want to do it that way, and they just keep making excuses.
24. Misty, that is an excellent point. All I
remember is that they found new ballots ELEVEN
god damn times. Could you imagine the outrage
if the "culture" in King Co was conservative?
So well put by Judge Bridges and so easily
dismissed by the Dems and their media cohorts.
Stefan writes: Of the potential duplicates where both members of the pair are in the same county, King County had a disproportionately large number.
Dupes at the same address are, of course, almost certainly errors by the voter and/or the county. There is no excuse for them. However, they are unlikely to be deliberate cases of fraud. If I were interested in registering fraudulently, I would invent names of nonexistent people at my home or work address rather than submit an obviously fraudulent duplicate registration for myself.
Many of the remaining dupes are probably cases of people moving and incorrectly registering anew, and your math on these is too simplistic. To the extent that moves are random, voters from large counties are far more likely to move within their county than voters from small counties, because there are more places within their county to move to. Therefore the number of intracounty dupes should be proportional to the square of each county's population.
King County has 29% of the state's population, but if you look at the square of each county's population, King County's figure is 68% of the state's total. (I used 2000 census data for total population by county.) So, assuming moving patterns are random, King County should have 68% of the intracounty dupes that are due to moves.
Now that you mention it, when I went to a town hall meeting in Kent where I met Stefan, Jim and others, Sam Reed said the same thing.
And I also recall Bob from EFF saying that there would be no law violated, so I think you are right, and that means we need to simply throw out the entire voter registration DB and start over. It would really not be that big of a deal from a technical standpoint.
Of course this would cause Democrats to take to the streets with shovels, guns, knives or whatever they could find because they know damn well that if we actually required people to re-register that by in large, conservatives would make the concious effort to do so and Liberals would not, so this would put them at a serious disadvantage. Which is exactly why we should do this asap.
Any Liberal who's not yet fully hypnotized by rhtetoric from places like HA would admit that the database is so burdened with historical errors and duplicates from the way that it has been handled for so long and so poorly in the infancy of the information age, that it makes a lot of sense to simply start over. But most Liberals are hypnotized with hatred and unwilling to look at what makes sense. They don't want a level playing field because they know that they lose when the everyone is playing by the same rules.
So, we'll get more fawning rhetoric from Reed, Terwillerger and others.
The best solution is to let the Dems hang themselves with overreach, which they do all too well. Then, when we get a Republican controlled legislature, we can begin to pass laws to clean all of this mess up.
It really is a Nanny State. And we will eventually have to clean up after the Democrats and their childish ways.
27. Make this an issue for the November election and keep holding the SoS office and the unelected county auditor's feet to the fire. They deserve to be exposed for who they here - mindless and worthless bureaucrats who don't care about serving the people - for whom they took the oath to serve. Throw them out at the next election !
28. I checked on a few people I know that have moved in the last couple years. Most of them are either double-registered, or still registered at their old addresses. Some of the old addresses show they voted Nov 2005, when I know they didn't live there for several months before that. I will contact them and let them know their registrations are no good, I'm sure they'll want to fix them.
I don't enjoy embarrassing my county but this is important to me. Here is a local story that was re-posted on the reporters blog: http://nugeclips.blogspot.com/2005/05/783-provisionals-mishandled-ballots.html
What do you get when you have inaccurate registrations and add in a lack of signature validations plus require mail only ballots?
30. why can't voter registrations expire like a credit card or if the person doesn't vote in several consecutive elections