February 03, 2006
Are Pro Sports Fans Losers?

Guest columnist Bill Johnston appears to be a flaming Democrat, but hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Seahawk Super Bowl hype in Seattle has got him thinking out loud, in today's Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

I think there's a false sense of community and importance when you live through others' activities; you lack meaning in your own life.....whether the Hawks win or lose it will not affect my life or your life in the least....There is national danger in the professional sports culture and its false importance. In the final analysis it means nothing and just clouds our concept of the real world. So next time I am asked "How 'bout them Hawks?" I will answer as always -- "Who cares?"

If you read the whole piece you'll notice Johnson's sideline hypothesis that maybe we're stoked about the Hawks in order to compensate for the horrors of Bush. This is pure partisan garbage, of course. But the core of his message on pro sports hits home.

Unless we're talking about Republican Mike Ditka's 1985 Chicago Bears. THERE was a team to root for; one with attitude and personality, reflective of the hometown. Today, too many pro athletes are just highly-paid contractors passing through our cities on the way to a better deal somewhere else, and pro sports team owners megalomaniacal tax-sucking leeches. And face it, sitting in front of the TV just makes you stupid, anyway. Especially listening to the yammering numbskulls announcing any sports contest. I'll be taking a long walk in the rain on Super Sunday.

Posted by Matt Rosenberg at February 03, 2006 09:48 AM | Email This
Comments
1. I think someone's just jealous that the Bears didn't make it to the game...

Posted by: Timothy on February 3, 2006 10:02 AM
2. He thinks sports are boring and useless. This is much the same of his political opinions. I can't imagine anyone in Seattle following the crowd of hating bush.

Memo to Rabid anti-bush op-ed columnists: Get a Life!

Posted by: Jason Woodruff on February 3, 2006 10:09 AM
3. Gee, I didn't even realize the Seahawks were in the Stanley Cup finals! I hope they get lots of runs!
But seriously, yeah, the relationship between most pro sports teams and their fans has to do more with salary than actual spirit. If the highly-paid specialists who moved to Seattle for a while to work for the Seahawks do well, and produce their product, in the end it won't affect me, since I'm not buying what they're selling.

Posted by: pseudotsuga on February 3, 2006 10:14 AM
4. Too many people of become spectators of their own lives. When I hear someone say “we are going to the Super Bowl”, I’ve got to wonder what they mean by “we”. Like so much of the rest of their lives, they are not really engaged – they do not influence the outcome. What happens to them is a result of factors they don’t control. No wonder they are such easy pickings for the Democrats. “…there's a false sense of community and importance when you live through others' activities” is absolutely correct.

I like the fact that the Seahawks are in the Super Bowl. I think it will be good for Seattle (the game is seen in 188 countries), but it’s a business and the players and coaches are little more than mercenaries (and many of them are just plain felons and thugs).

Posted by: ronin on February 3, 2006 10:19 AM
5. Matt, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious. If you're being sarcastic all is well with the world. If you're being serious I'm also going to take that walk and do some soul seaching to figure out how I've fallen so far as to agree with you.

I think obcession with pro sports is adolescent at best. Living vicariously through overpaid tree stumps, some of whom probably can't read, is pathetic. Then to use tax dollars to suplement their income is outrageous.

After living in the Northwest for the last three stadium build (Safeco, Seahawks and Key Arena) all I can say is I hope the Sonics enjoy their new home. And 'Howard on Mercer Island' can go with them.

Pro sports teams are to Seattle what the 'Cultural District' is to Tacoma. It's grasping at straws to find some way of feeling significant.

Posted by: Republican (by default) on February 3, 2006 10:26 AM
6. I'm sure you can find Brokeback Mountain playing somewhere this weekend, Matt. That sounds more to your liking. How about letting those of us who've rooted for this team for the last thirty years have our fun without your namby pamby whining?

Posted by: Far Far Right on February 3, 2006 10:35 AM
7. I have a 14-yo son who is in to sports, and it's fun to follow and support local teams. In fact, I never really did this until my son came along (maybe a little when I was his age). The point is, it's become a family activity and something to share. So, while I agree with much of what is written here, I think a certain aspect may have been missed. I certainly agree that obsession with sports is unhealthy, and that we're really just rooting for the uniforms (Seinfeld even has a bit about this), but it's a welcome diversion - especially during the rainy season. It's an escape. Also, not all TV is a waste. I haven't watched the big networks in years, but I do watch the History channel and similar channels and they are very educational and another example of something that can spark interest within young family members, and branch out into further activities (which is happening with me and my son). My advice: Be careful making sweeping judgments.

Posted by: Ken Wiebe on February 3, 2006 10:43 AM
8. My, aren't we all superior for not being sucked into that brain-deadening, pathetic vicariousness known as "rooting for the home team"?

Because, you know, walking alone through the rain using a smile of sad pity for my benighted neighbors as my umbrella is so much more constructive for the world than using the (false, false, false!) camaraderie of professional sports to find common ground with erstwhile strangers.

Those idiots sharing "Go Hawks!" cheers on the bus and actually (smirk) identifying with the team ("We're going to the Superbowl!")--don't they realize how stupid they are, and how useless it all is?

They really should be paying attention to me and my pithy thoughts instead. Damn them.

Posted by: George Barnstable on February 3, 2006 10:45 AM
9. Hopefully, Far Far Right, you have a great Sunday. Personally I couldn't care less about the 'hawks. However, unless you have personally experienced the benefits to a community of a sporting championship (a real one...not the WNBA), you don't have a clue.

Ask Yankee, Celtic, Canadien, Cowboy, Steeler, etc., fans. There is absolutely an identity to being in a community with a winner. (in the interest of full disclosure...I'm a lifelong Cowboys fan. first game I went to was Super Bowl XII where Dallas beat Denver.)

Notice I didn't mention the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They won it once. Big deal. The value comes to those communities where excellence and/or tradition are commonplace. It is very exciting, and I hope the Puget Sound area enjoys it fully. BUT...my pick is the Steelers.:)

Posted by: Danny on February 3, 2006 10:47 AM
10. Matt, some of us like competition and enjoy the spectacle. Maybe the word is *fun*. While you're having your little walk in the rain, we'll be rocking the house and celebrating with our buddies. Hawks 31-20.

Posted by: Private Radio on February 3, 2006 10:47 AM
11. I will have some fun at the Mountlake Ale House Super Bowl party this Sunday. Go Seahawks

You got to LOVE those tight ends!

Posted by: Lucky Pierre' on February 3, 2006 10:51 AM
12. I remember riding down 5th Avenue downtown in 1979 in my dad's Corvette after the Sonics won the championship. I remember going to the parade after the Sonics came home from DC. Those are some special childhood memories. Now my own son, who is seven, is experiencing some of those same things and they are priceless. If you don't enjoy it, fine. Why mock those of us who do? Why does it anger you to see us enjoying ourselves? Seems like a childish, left wing reaction.

Posted by: Far Far Right on February 3, 2006 10:54 AM
13. I am trying to divorce myself from the fact that the Seahawks represent a leftist cesspool - Seattle. The fact is that most of the Seahawks are not democrat/socialists ! Mack Strong is clearly not and doubt if Mike Holmgren is.

I don't think it will give the left much more glee if the Seahawks win, in fact - more Repubs. will get a lift from it - because they are more the real men type that enjoy football - if a poll were taken, I believe you would see the trend among conservative men and women as opposed to politically leftwingnuts. Go Seahawks!

Posted by: KS on February 3, 2006 10:59 AM
14. GO Hawks! (I prefer college football, but heck--who couldn't love the Superbowl with the Seahawks being in it!)

Posted by: Misty on February 3, 2006 11:15 AM
15. ..oh and Far far right, I remember being in McMahon dorm at UW when the Sonics won. We stood out on our balcony and watched everyone go nuts. Students were throwing stuff from their balconies, including firecrackers and household type stuff. One big water balloon fell right at the feet of a police officer standing there in the middle of the street. I even saw a MATTRESS go careening down past us from some upper floor.

Posted by: Misty on February 3, 2006 11:31 AM
16. I wonder what Bill Johnston's does for entertainment ?

Not all life's activities have to be "important" and "meaningful," Bill just needs to relax.

Posted by: JCM on February 3, 2006 11:46 AM
17. I'm so-so about the whole affair except for one bright spot ...it's about the only time the MSM interviews big, tough, manly-type Christians without smirking -- did you hear the interview with the seahawks quarter back describing married life and chastity before marriage?

Posted by: Lew on February 3, 2006 11:51 AM
18. Good gawd.

This team of Seahawks is in many respects a class act. Could we please stop regretting them and our support for them?

GO HAWKS GO!!!

Posted by: Watchdog, A 12th Man on February 3, 2006 12:03 PM
19. If people want to watch football...that's their own business! Life is a combination of watching and doing...the mix is (mostly) up to the individual.

For me, the rub is a "fair weather fan."

Sure it's great the 'hawks are going to the Super Bowl, but where was everyone when they were in the toilet bowl?

Posted by: Jack Burton on February 3, 2006 12:50 PM
20. Isn't it nice to have someone else tell you what to like and what to do with your time and your money.

I am glad that people like art and long nature walks, and I am equally glad that others like drinking bear and watching wrestling matches, and still others like watching baseball.

Whatever you enjoy doing in your spare time should be your choice and not the choice of self-righteous elites.

Posted by: sgmmac on February 3, 2006 12:57 PM
21. To those who say a professional sports team does nothing for a community, how wrong they are.

"The following Saturday afternoon I went with two friends to see a football match...I have known games that displayed the finer points of football much better than this one, but for all that it was a good match, clean and fast and exciting. Nearly everything possible has been done to spoil this game: the heavy financial interests; the absurd transfer and player-selling system; the lack of any birth or residential qualification for the players; the absurd publicity given to every feature of it by the press; the monstrous partisanship of the crowds; but the fact remains that it is not yet spoilt, and it has gone out and conquered the world. It is easy to understand, though some austere persons elaborately refuse to understand why these crowds in the industrial towns pay shillings that they can badly afford to see 22 professionals kick a ball about. They are not mere spectators in the sense of being idle and indifferent lookers-on; though only vicariously, yet they run and leap and struggle and sweat, are driven into despair, and raised to triumph; and there is thrust into their lives of monotonous tasks and gray streets an epic hour of color and strife...I never see them at a match without disliking their stupid partisanship, their dogmatism, the whole catcalling idiocy, but it is still good, when the right side has scored a goal, to see that wave of happiness break over their ranked faces, to see that quick comradeship engendered by the game's sudden disasters and triumphs. I know they do not last, that happiness, that comradeship...yet if it is a poor thing it is their own, and I am glad they have it."

J.B. Priestley, "English Journey" 1934.

Go Seahawks!


Posted by: Terri in Kirkland on February 3, 2006 01:01 PM
22. Just so that I'm not misunderstood, if the Seahawks or any other pro team can make it without a subsidy from our tax dollars, then I'm all for it. I'm a capitalist and I think a business should be able to survive on the money it makes from providing some good or service. If people want to pay for a short-lived not-so-cheap thrill call 'a game', then the team should make money. But quit robbing my tax dollars (often in the form of sales tax) to put money in Paul Allen's or Howard Schultz' pocket.

It's amazing that Dems claim to be anti-corporate welfare and them pump millions into a stadium that only makes money for the team. It's like the kid at the WTO riot smashing the window of a Nike store while wearing Nike shoes.

What else is amazing to me is that people will cheer for a foolish, inconsequential sports team and then jeer our troops or offer mere lip-service to supporting them so that they don't look unpatriotic. Strange priorities and values.

Posted by: Republican (by default) on February 3, 2006 01:02 PM
23. Mariners suck- I wouldn't go when the tickets were free in the 80's for getting a high GPA and I can say the same for all the crap hype in the 90's when fair weather fans were posting sodom ojo all over the place. Pay-Rod: need I say more?

Sonics suck- I hope these bad attitude wife beaters leave Seattle.

Seahawks- way back in the 80's we all wore largent and zorn shirts. These were genuine good guys. Remember the Z car (some 280Z with a dorky seahawk paint job)? Too bad the management ran that team into the ground for 20 years before they could get momentum like they have now. I'm glad to see Zorn on the coaching staff and glad they are doing well this year.

If I had to keep 1 of the 3 teams, it would be the Seahawks.

Posted by: andy on February 3, 2006 01:23 PM
24. Rabid Sports Fan In Fact Infected With Rabies

Seattle, Washington--Route salesman Greg Norberg, thought by friends and coworkers to be a "fairweather fan" of the Superbowl bound Seattle Seahawks has been diagnosed with end stage Hydrophobia.

"Greg could always care less about sports," sobbed his wife Nancy, "I couldn't understand his sudden obsession with the Seahawks."

Friends and family agree that they were suprised when Norberg purchased a 12th Man jersy after the Hawks first ever playoff win, a ever 41-3 whooping of the San Fransico 49ers. However when the Seahawks clinched the NFC championship with their win over Carolina, Norberg was sporting full body paint and a giant foam finger.

Norberg's doctors ran a battery of tests at the behest of his wife, "When we see a formerly appathetic man turn into a superfan, there is either something seriously wrong medically, or the guy's a complete jerk trying to live vicarously through professional athletes," said Dr. Kenneth Jackson.

In it's advanced state, Norberg's disease is untreatable, so after the big game he will be taken out back of the log shed by his 12 year old son Travis and shot in the head.

Posted by: Dan on February 3, 2006 01:43 PM
25. What a pretentious twit! May he drown from having his nose stuck in the air!

Posted by: South County on February 3, 2006 01:44 PM
26. With the exception of baseball, pro-sports teams lost me when they blackmailed cities in order to subsidize multi-million dollar player salaries. Yes, baseball does it too, but there is just something I love about how that sport is ingrained in history.

Nevertheless, I'll be watching the Super Bowl just for the heck of it, and to watch the commercials. I could care less who wins.

If the Seahawks do win, though, it will be interesting watch Mayor Nipples take credit for it and pretend that he is running a "city of champions." It's a useful distraction from failing public schools, crumbling infrastructure, and business fleeing town due to over-regulation.

Posted by: BananaLand (aka Iguana) on February 3, 2006 02:01 PM
27. Wow, what a lame post. There's something wrong with rooting for the home team? Hey, if you don't like football, don't watch it. But don't whine about it either. Why gratuitously insult people for liking sports? Flash back to high school much?

Posted by: brett on February 3, 2006 02:59 PM
28. I'm glad Seattle and the outlying areas didn't make any money from all the people that travelled to the NFC Championship game and spent money in the bars, hotels, shops and other areas (like gas and parking tickets). Oh wait they did....hand over fist...hell even the panhandlers made more money.

Yes the public had to spend some tax dollars for the stadiums and I wish that the teams had put up more, but our city & state are better off for it in the long run. Just like we are better off for the taxes that went to help Benoroya or SAM.

As for the Sonics, they knew what they had when they bought this team. If they want to restructure their lease/agreement with the city fine, but that arena is a good one and doesn't need to be re-done. Maybe lower the prices to fill it (especially suites) and you'd make more money.

Posted by: Dengle on February 3, 2006 03:17 PM
29. I'll be watching with my kids..whether the Hawks win or lose doesn't really matter...I just love watching the game and some very gifted athletes play it well...it isn't brain surgery, but who cares..it is one of many things I enjoy sharing with my kids...snobbery is snobbery whether from the left or right...live your own life

Posted by: gus on February 3, 2006 03:32 PM
30. I SWEAR, if I hear that "12th man" crap just one more time, I'm gonna pop a vein.

I completely resent the atmosphere here in Seattle that implies that I need to care about this. Pro Sports is hyper-expensive theater-of-the-absurd and much like it's very close retarded cousin, Pro Wrestling, it needs mandated warning labels affixed to it that read, "What you are watching is stupid and absurd and you need to turn this thing off and re-examine your life choices immediately."


Boy, did that feel good.

Posted by: Alan McSwain on February 3, 2006 04:23 PM
31. Wow. I've been a fan of sports in general since the age of 7. Now I find out that I've wasted the last 28 years. Are some folks in Seattle going nuts? Of course. Face painting, blue wigs, etc. have always seemed a little over the top for me. (OK, maybe a lot.) But this holier than thou attitude against sports fans doesn't belong on this otherwise fine blog. Go Hawks.

Posted by: 5th on February 3, 2006 05:57 PM
32. Rosenburg-
Lighten up...The 'Hawks are in the Super Bowl!

Posted by: BMack on February 3, 2006 09:21 PM
33. This is the same type of bummer person who doesn't want us to say "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Valentines Day" because not everyone shares in that belief. Enough already. Seahawk fans should and can celebrate with out this idiot's endorsement. Enjoy the game and the victory.

Posted by: April Coggins on February 3, 2006 10:48 PM
34. All of the Seattle pseudo-intellectuals twisting in torment over the meaning of sports in modern society, and all other party poopers, can pack up their SUVs and move back down to Los Angeles (a great NFL town. not!) or whereever else they came from as far as I'm concerned. Seattle has been waiting too long for a trip to the Superbowl to have anyone make us feel ashamed for having pride in our team and our community.

And lest we forget, starting quarterback Hasselback, fullback Strong and center Tobeck are all solid Rs and big Dino supporters. Maybe my memory is faulty, but I don't remember a single Hawk who came out publicly for the D's choice in the 2004 gubenatorial election.

GO HAWKS!! BRING IT ON HOME!

Posted by: LoneWolf on February 4, 2006 08:36 AM
35. social critic paul fussell had it right:

sports make losers feel like winners.

that's why there are so many sports fans.

Posted by: abdul khalid on February 5, 2006 10:41 AM
36. Hey guys, let's all enjoy the game!!!

I'm the guy who posted earlier asking how yinz up there in the Northwest had felt about the way that you'd been treated by the teams during the campaigns to build your stadiums. Yeah, as the book title says, I guess we're all "Major League Losers."

Nevertheless, I've had a lot of fun during the build up this game. I've enjoyed reading your posts, even the articles on-line in the Seattle Times and P-I (YIKES!!!!). Since I just published the outcome of the game on my blog (www.toastmeister.blogspot.com), none of us will have to actually watch the game, but I will anyway, just for craps&giggles.

Hey--have a good one up there and enjoy it, no matter who wins!!!! :-)

Posted by: Greg on February 5, 2006 01:46 PM
37. OK, games over.....my boss will still care about the same thing he cared about on Friday, inventory. Great year by my Hawks , now we move on.

Posted by: 5th on February 5, 2006 10:52 PM
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