We read in the P-I last week that "King County elections gets good report on Nov. 8 vote". Sadly, that's more of a reflection on the shoddiness of the Election Center's report than it is on the quality of King County elections. KC Elections' performance last month was a big improvement over last year, but not quite as good as Dean Logan and his friends at the Election Center would have you believe. I've been going over the county reports and database records I received last week, and I'm finding more reconciliation discrepancies and evidence of illegal votes than has been disclosed --
The Election Center's November 2005 report (posted here) could have been useful had it told the public how well King County Elections cleaned up its act from the 2004 debacle with the hundreds of illegal votes, massive accounting problems and the ongoing cover-up. But the report failed to ask the questions that mattered most: How well did King County account for its ballots this time? How many more votes were counted than there were voters? How many multiple ballots were counted from people who cast multiple ballots? How many ballots were counted from ineligible voters? Did the Elections section give the public complete and truthful information about its performance this time?
The Elections Center report doesn't address any of these issues. I'll have more details from my analysis of the data files later, but I can say that Dean Logan's team did a worse job of reconciliation than they disclosed to the canvassing board; they counted a number of double votes and ineligible votes; They knew about these discrepancies, but they did not make any of it public. The discrepancy numbers are much better than they were in the 2004 fiasco and I don't believe that this year's discrepancies are sufficient to call the outcome of any race into question. I will take the Election Center report at face value in its description of improvements in reconciling the poll books. However, full transparency is a necessity for restoring voter confidence and there are still shortcomings in the transparency department. Furthermore, there still seem to be serious problems in the procedures for rejecting double votes, which if left unaddressed could lead to outcome-altering vote fraud in future elections.
Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at December 28, 2005 04:10 PM | Email ThisWhy talk about important King County elections issues like accounting for ballots, disparity between the number of voters and votes, people who cast multiple ballots and ineligible voters who cast them, or procedures for rejecting double votes when you can tell lies about GW Bush?
A bull$hit report from KC Elections' about performance is not nearly as sexy as accusing Karl Rove of rigging global warming or Dino Rossi of being an ex real Estate agent.
We need baseless lies and innendo about things that are untrue and don't matter, not questions about our vital voting rights or the corruption going on in our King County government.
Posted by: Amused by liberals on December 28, 2005 04:58 PMIf you want to take a break from King County, take a look at the Newark Star Ledger and their articles on the UMDNJ Medicare/Medicaid investigation.
"The US attorney gave the University of Medicine and Denistry of New Jersey an ultimatum to either accept a federal takeover or face criminal charges, the school's board is set to turn over financial control of the university to an outside monitor."
"We no longer have any faith in your ability to fix any of the problems that have led to the conduct in the case." US Attorney Christopher Christie to UMDNJ trustees
It appears that the UW School of Medicine and Harborview got off easy.
Oh, Harborview is a King County facility supposedly overseen by Ron Sims.
Posted by: Hiker on December 28, 2005 07:45 PMWhere it really counts is next close election - maybe in 2006 or maybe later. And if we (meaning Stefan, of course) aren't vigilant who will be?
Keep up your valuable work Stefan - the left is bored now, and will be making some whoppers as soon as they think the people aren't looking.
Posted by: Deadwood on December 28, 2005 10:40 PMI don't live in KC....and I thought this blog had to do with sound commentary on Seattle, Puget Sound & WASHINGTON STATE?
I would like to know what's going on with the other counties in the state. I don't think the problems are as severe as KC, but they all add up. Don't isolate yourself and think that you're the only county that matters!
Posted by: Susu on December 28, 2005 11:28 PMYou lost, focus on the future, move on. Belly aching is unbecoming.
Dug
Posted by: DugoutNut on December 29, 2005 12:05 AMStefan, don't you say this kind of thing all the time? When is the media going to take you seriously? Oh yeah. NEVER. Because you have no credibility with reporters. But it's good of you to stir up the wingnuts everyday; keeps them busy.
Posted by: IronsBeatMyMother on December 29, 2005 01:00 AMSound Politics is getting very repetative, and much less interesting to read. I realize that Stefan is really interested in voting, but please, lets get more diverse news and opinions out.
Posted by: Gerald on December 29, 2005 05:11 AMGerald...get your own blog.
Posted by: Danny on December 29, 2005 05:27 AMI live in Lewis County, which doesn't represent much of the total voter base in Wa State. King County carries all the weight. When KC Elections screw up, my vote is affected literally.
I hope Stephan keeps the heat on KC elections. He seems to be the only voice out there speaking for the REST of THE STATE. Not just King County.
As for other news and issues being reported on this blog, just go to the main topic page. I see alot different issues posted each day from Stefan and other Contributors. You can actually click the hyperlink to the other contributors and reach their blogs for further reading/blogging.
The really ironic thing is that people like Sam Reed and the others are really the ones who should be doing it. After all, they are elected to positions that have oversight of such matters, are paid by the taxpayer to do it, and, as elected officials, have sworn an oath to faithfully dischrage the duties of their office. But they shirk their responsibility and pass it off on the citizens. Rather than hammering the citizens for taking up the burden shirked by others, hammer those who don't do their jobs. Oh, I forgot, they are doing their jobs (assurring that 'Rats get elected, dishonestly or not). Lousy, stinking 'Rats, the lot of them...
Posted by: Interested Observer on December 29, 2005 07:35 AMHuh? Past elections? This post is about the most recent election and the current performance of the elections office.
Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on December 29, 2005 08:01 AMIf it means so little to you, please go to horsesass.org. They love to whine and gnash their teeth over there and accomplish nothing unless they can accomplish it fraudulently.
Stefan has done more for King County and Washington than any of your so-called elected officials sucking at the tit of mother state.
Posted by: dan on December 29, 2005 08:34 AMI have limited time and resources, so I choose to focus on King County, which is where I live, and where I have (relatively) easy access to the data, and where I've built up a body of knowledge. I'm not attempting to compare King County with other counties in the state, only to shine a light on King County with the hope that the scrutiny will lead to corrections and improvements here. I'd be delighted if you or others engaged in similar efforts to scrutinize other counties, and I'd be happy to help publicize your work.
Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on December 29, 2005 08:49 AMI am not whistling past the graveyard..... The Republican platform is splintered, termite infested, rotting, rickety, tilting over and one more dishonest revelation from crashing down.
I read this blog for entertainment and, I suppose, because like a lot of people, I can't help but watch a train wreck. Now with Abramoff becoming a concern, like an infection under your tongue, I expect complete derailment. (Both parties can expect casualties from this, but the Rebublicans have taken far more money by far more politicians).
Meanwhile, you guys here continue to rail (notice the train theme continues) about addresses and such. In the meantime the Democrats are gaining stregth, feeding coal into their own engines as they speed into the final turn to reclaim the Congress and Senate and then the White House.
Meanwhile, y'all will be looking for phantom addresses, then suddenly look up, completely bewildered, and find you are out of office. Then, I suppose, the real whining will begin.
Happy New Year!
Dug
My suggestion, the Senator from Arizona, provided Abramoff does not claim him, is appealing to both sides of the isle. John McCain is anti-Bush and that is one attribute that the American public will surely embrace. Hey, maybe he can make a whistle-stop tour of the country. Maybe it is time for a REAL military man, a man who fought and did not hide behind his rich daddy, to be President.
Posted by: DugoutNut on December 29, 2005 09:33 AMPlease continue to read SP for your entertainment. Reading is one thing, posting off topic is another.
Posted by: Chris on December 29, 2005 09:53 AM
How is my post off topic? (I grant you the PS might be, but it does tie in to the topic).
The problem you have is that world is not black and white and no matter how hard you try to fit it in as such, it won't go. There is a large gray area too. I simply commented on the continuing story that seems to have overtaken this blog, voting addresses and their validity. My post was on that theme.
My point on the topic of addresses and accuracy in the elections department was/is to let it go. In addition, I pointed out some of the pitfalls of focusing on the past and not paying attention to the future. You did not like what I pointed out and did not respond with a cogent argument against my point, because, well, you simply don't have one. So you attacked me personally. Another tactic of the Republicans, attack the person and completely fail to address the issue. Kill the messenger is the Republican way. Congratulations, you qualify for your gold membership.
By the way if you had read my first post, then the two answers to it,you would have know that I was completely ON TOPIC.
Happy New Year!
Dug
Posted by: DugoutNut on December 29, 2005 10:55 AMI don't believe I called you any names or threw any stick's at you either.
I found the references to the Addressess and their valid nature. But I had to read through your Ranting to figure out what you were trying to say. What I did "digest" from your post was your "superior" attitude toward other person's whom you dont agree with politically.
That is enough for me to disregard your opinion.
Posted by: Chris on December 29, 2005 11:17 AMYou are indeed off topic but the little train references were nifty. Talented writers (me not being one) need not point these things out you clever little devil.
Happy 2006
Posted by: Jeffro on December 29, 2005 11:17 AMYou liberals are starting to believe your own lies. I suggest you stop reading your own baised propaganda meisters in the liberal media and actually try looking at some FACTS.
Americans simply do not trust the Democrats with national security. And why should they? Even to this day Democrats are doing an all out scramble to undermine the war on terror all in the name of Bush hatred. to hell with national security, all the Democrats acare about is their Bush hatred. From leaking to our enemies that we monitor their calls to sleeper cells in the US to actively voting to weaken such vital measures as the Patriot Act to voting against armor for our troops (voting for it, before you vote against it,doesn't count) the evidence is clear. Even traitor John Walker Lindh was a Democrat from the liberal bastion of Marin County, CA.
How much confidence does it inspire when Howard Dean, the head of the DNC declares America cannot win? Or that Mr Dean during the campaign, wasn't really sure Bin Laden was guilty? Does that sound like the kind of people America wants protecting them from the killers of 911?
So have your parochial fun and enjoy your denial. I am content to count election victories and victories over our enemies.
Some fun facts:
The liberal media predicted 100,000 US casualties when we invaded. Reality: Less than 150.
Theliberal media pontificated that an election could never take place in Iraq and that Arabs could never have Democracy. Reality: Three elections later (each with a declaration of impossibiity by liberals), the Iraqi's proved that they can have honest elections.
Now if we could only get those in Washington State!
Bush got Libya to dismantle its nuclear program without firing a shot.
For the first time in several administrations, the Syrain Army is out of Lebanon and the people are demonstrating in the streets in what has become known as the "Cedar Revolution".
Interest rates are lower now than they were under Clinton. Home ownership rates are higher than they ever were under Clinton. Unemployement is less than it was under Clinton.
So keep on drinking the Kool-Aid my friend.
Posted by: pbj on December 29, 2005 11:25 AMI am sorry if I offended you.
Jeffo, I was just pointing out the references to make fun of myself. I reread the post and I did not make that clear.
Dug
Posted by: DugoutNut on December 29, 2005 11:27 AMThe other edge is the one that creates a deep opinion in the public that King County, and only King County, has elections which are ineffective, illegal and fraudulent. This side of his sword damages democracy in general. When he cuts with this side of his sword (and he does), he should be criticized for it.
Posted by: Gordon on December 29, 2005 11:28 AMDug-
Glad you can laugh at yourself, I know most of us are as well.
Gordon-
When a county the size of KC can influence the direction of an entire state, and there are serious problems with KC's election process, you have to excise the largest tumour first. Cleaning up KC elections will provide more value to all legal voters in this state.
1. Gas is now over $2.00 a gallon, down from over $3.00
2. The domestic policy of the Republicans failed to respond to Katrina in a timely fashion. It supports big business at the expense of everyday taxpayers.
3. Republican leadership is embroiled in investigations alleging illegal hanky panky all over the place. And yes, where there is smoke, there is fire.
4. The death toll in Iraq exceeds 2,000. I am not willing to separate the ongoing losses from the initial invasion losses. My son serves as an Army Ranger, he would not separate them either.
5. Democrats have always protected this country. Harry Truman, a Democrat, dropped atomic bombs in defense of this country and, for that matter, the entire world. Imagine that. You would have us believe that Democrats are cowards. This just is not so.
6. As for housing, the boom is over. In the next two years many people who used "creative" financing to purchase homes well beyond their means, will be losing their homes as balloon payments come due and interest only payments increase as the principle payment is added in. What about all the adjustable rate mortgages that will be raised? Credit card interest rates are at their highest in history as is the debt owed on them.
So, my friend, before you offer me what is left of your Kool-Aid, I suggest that you pay attention to what is really going on. I for one, am tired of hearing about terrorism and homeland security every single time you Republicans find the noose tightening.
Dug
Posted by: DugoutNut on December 29, 2005 11:48 AMGordon....Cutting with the "wrong" side of the sword, and implicating KC only, is truly the only correct way to achieve better elections.
KC is the largest county, and "however" red or blue they vote, the rest of the state could vote just opposite, and KC would decide the race.
If King County had an elected Auditor, they would have some recourse as to cleaning up the elections mess.
Until KC shrinks in size, falls into the sound, or elects a bonafide auditor that is held accountable to it's electorate, nothing will change.
Whether you think this is a personal vendetta between Stefan and KCE is really a mute point. Every aspect of our goverment needs a watchdog, and "by golly" Stefan has the Jaws of a Bulldog, and bless him for that.
Keep up the Great Work Stefan.....Don't let go..
Posted by: Chris on December 29, 2005 11:54 AMA bull$hit lying report from KC Elections' about performance is not nearly as sexy as accusing Karl Rove of rigging global warming or Dino Rossi of being an ex real Estate agent.
We need baseless lies and innendo about things that are untrue and don't matter, not questions about our vital voting rights or the corruption going on in our King County government.
Good job.
Again, no response to the facts. I told no lie about my President. It is unfortunate that you suffer from blind faith.
I am proud and happy to live in a country where I can be critical of the government and not have to worry about someone monitoring my conversations and posts.....
Excuse me, but the NSA is at the door....brb...
This computer is being siezed and its owner, one DugoutNut is being taken into custody for investigation for remarks critical of the Bush Doctrine, oops, Administration.
Please be advised that pursuant to executive order, we don't need no stinking court order, we are watching and listening to everyone.
Investigator Smithers, NSA
Posted by: DugoutNut on December 29, 2005 12:05 PM"This side of his sword damages democracy in general. When he cuts with this side of his sword (and he does), he should be criticized for it."
Think again, just whose sword do you think is doing more harm to democracy? Take off your blinders!!
My opinion - certainly not Stefans'.
Posted by: dan on December 29, 2005 12:14 PMNice skit - you could just as easily substitute the "Bush Doctrine, oops, Administration" with "Clinton Doctrine, oops, Administration" because he used the same legal Presidential powers as well during his Dictatorship, oops, Aministration.
This is a non issue and as they say, this dog don't hunt.
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Because the flames are just just beginning.
Dug
Posted by: DugoutNut on December 29, 2005 12:22 PMWishful thinking.
Posted by: Jeffro on December 29, 2005 12:31 PM1. Gas is now over $2.00 a gallon, down from over $3.00
And just how are decreasing gas prices a problem? Under Jimmy Carter we couldn't get ANY gas at ANY price!
Want cheaper gas? How about Democrats stop blocking the construction of refineries with enviro whacko regulations?
Due to Democrat environmental regulations, a new refinrery hasn't been allowed to be built since 1976!
2. The domestic policy of the Republicans failed to respond to Katrina in a timely fashion. It supports big business at the expense of everyday taxpayers.
Right off the DNC talking points I see. The truth is that there were hunderds of school buses flooded in New Orleans instead of being used to evacuate with people because the Democrat Mayor Ray Nagin refused to use them to evacuate the people. Why was this so hard for a Democrat to figure out when a 19 year old was able to hot wire one of those busses, pack it with people and drive them all to Houston?
And why was it that after she was told to evacuate by federal authorites two days before the hurricane came ashore, Democrat governor Kathleen Blanco waited days until she took action?
3. Republican leadership is embroiled in investigations alleging illegal hanky panky all over the place. And yes, where there is smoke, there is fire.
If you are talking about the phony Delay witch hunt, I'd point out that Democrat Ronnie Earle tried the same thing against Kay Bailey Hitchison and got his ass handed to him. Already, one of the bogus charges have been thrown out. In today's world, anyone can ALLEGE anything.
Perhaps you should be worrying about the Democrats own problems with CONVICTIONS (Hint- that is what happens when there is actual proof and you are found guilty and sentenced):
Democrats like to talk about the 2004 elction. What they won't talk about is CHAD STATON - the Democrat operative who was given crack cocaine in payment for falsely registering voters such as Donald Duck in Ohio in 2004.
Democrats always make some ambiguous reference to alleged Republican misdealing without any facts to back them up. In 2004 we saw Democrats convicted of voter fraud :
From: http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/12021188.htm
"Convicted of one count of conspiracy to commit vote fraud during the Nov. 2 election was Charlie Powell Jr., head of the city's powerful Democratic Central Committee and a former city council member. He faces five years in prison.
Convicted of conspiracy and vote fraud and facing five years on each count were:
Kelvin Ellis, a Democratic precinct committeeman and former East St. Louis city government department head who served a federal prison term for extortion in the early 1990s.
Yvette Johnson, secretary to the city Democratic organization.
Democratic precinct committeemen Sheila Thomas and Jesse Lewis."
4. The death toll in Iraq exceeds 2,000. I am not willing to separate the ongoing losses from the initial invasion losses. My son serves as an Army Ranger, he would not separate them either.
I served in the USAF, my brother serves in the Army Reserve and my cousin currently serves in Iraq with the US marines. The death toll in Iraq is miraculously low compared to losses in other comparable wars. Democrats want to cut and run, just like Clinton did in Somalia.
5. Democrats have always protected this country. Harry Truman, a Democrat, dropped atomic bombs in defense of this country and, for that matter, the entire world. Imagine that. You would have us believe that Democrats are cowards. This just is not so.
No, after John Kennedy, Democrats have failed to protect this country. They have decimated its military capabilities and seen us humiliated and kicked all around the world. Carter and his Iran hostages and the failed rescue attempt, Clinton and the 1993 WTD bombing, Khobar Tow1ers attack, Our Embassies in Africa blown up, Sailors on the USS Cole murdered all are just symptoms of a modern Democrat Party that has abandoned nations security. That is why after 40 years as a Democrat, I can no longer associate with these traitors. Traitors such as Democrat Barbara Lee of Berkely that voted against going after the Taliban in Afghanistan. And PAtty Murray, who think Bin Laden the great philanthropist. I am not the only Democrat to come to his conclusion my friend. Ed Koch, Zel Miller and a host of others have also come to the same conclusion.
Are there Democrats that want to protect this country? Definitely. However, the modern Democrat party if not run by those people. People like Zell Miller and Joe Leibermen are chastized if they stand up and speak the truth.
6. As for housing, the boom is over. In the next two years many people who used "creative" financing to purchase homes well beyond their means, will be losing their homes as balloon payments come due and interest only payments increase as the principle payment is added in. What about all the adjustable rate mortgages that will be raised? Credit card interest rates are at their highest in history as is the debt owed on them.
Yeah right, just like Jimmy Carter wanted us to believe that the American Dream was "over" when he brought us double digit inflation and interest rates over 20%. Sure, people who financed foolishly will suffer. And those that abuse credit cards will find out what happens. That has nothing to do with Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative - people come in all kinds of stupid. No hand waving will change the fact that interest rates are at historical lows and that has enabled the highest level of home ownership this nation has seen.
So my friend, I have seen the liberal kool-aid and it has a bitter taste, a taste of hatred in place of hope, of vitriol over vision. You have to make up straw men to explain why, after having giving the key note speech at the Democrat convention, today Democrat Sen Zell Miller sides with the President, as does Joe Leiberman. Those people put country ahead of party.
We have already seen over and over :
1) Democrats have no plan for winning against the murderers of 911. In instead, they hope to obstruct the President in hopes that they can cause America to suffer another attack and try to make politcal hay out of it. Their own politcal ambitions mean more to them than the lives of the people.
2) Democrats seek to weaken our ability to fight terrorists. This is evident in their efforts to kill the Patriot Act, probably the single most factor resopnsible for there being no repeat of a 911 style attack. It is also evident in the fact that the liberals are leaking the tactics we use to fight terorrism to our enemies. Nothing illustrates this more than the effort to try to win political points by pointing out to terrorist that we are monitoring their calls. And if you are so worried about warrantless searches and such, you sure were silent with William Jefferson Clinton created executive order 12949 in 1995 doing just those things. But then again, Clinton was using Craig Livingstone to do hatchets jobs on politcal opponents ala Ronnie Earle, so I guess that was just peachy with you in much the same way you never complained about needing UN approval when Clinton invaded Kosovo.
3) The Democrat media has been exposed as liars over and over whether it is Dan Rather and his phoney memos, CNN head Eason Jordan and his secret agreements with Saddam to mouth propaganda or Jayson Blair and his "truths" in the New York Times.1 Here is a factoid for you: In 1921, the Ne York times wrote:
"Professor Goddard does not know the relation between action and reaction and the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react. He seems to lack the basic knowledge ladled out daily in high schools."
The day after Armstrong walked on the moon in 1969, the New York Times printed a short boxed item on page 2. It read in full: "Errata: It has now been conclusively demonstrated that a rocket ship can travel through the vacuum of space. The Times sincerely regrets the error."
Ask yourself: Do you think it's a bad idea for the feds, as U.S. News & World Report mentioned, to monitor Islamic sites inside the United States for any possible suspicious radiation leaks? The Council on American-Islamic Relations is up in arms - but are you? If you were to read in the paper that some FBI agent has gotten in trouble over pointing a Geiger counter at a mosque, would you be inclined to give the FBI agent the benefit of the doubt? I thought so.
Or take another example: Wednesday's USA Today details government plans to deploy security agents at major airports to engage in "behavioral screening." That is, agents chat up passengers, looking for anything suspicious. It's a tactic that's worked in Israel for years, and it's being introduced here, starting with Boston's Logan Airport. That airport, some might recall, was the departure point for two of the doomed flights on 9/11.
But of course, the American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts has already sued to oppose any such program. Who do you think the overwhelming majority of Americans want to see prevail on this question?
Posted by: pbj on December 29, 2005 01:07 PMNice try, won't fly.
Posted by: Amused by liberal morons on December 29, 2005 01:20 PMGordon -- You've convinced me that you're an irredeemable dope who doesn't bother to read the posts you're commenting on. First, my name is "Stefan", not "Stephan". Second, the 3rd line in the post above reads "KC Elections' performance last month was a big improvement over last year" and I later point to the example of "improvements in reconciling the poll books".
I realize it might be uncomfortable for you to learn that there is still room for criticism of King County elections and that any criticism might cause you to question whether my information is inaccurate. I strive for accuracy, so If you find any errors, bring them to my attention. If you have no real grounds for questioning my veracity, then take the time to read before you post and you might actually learn something.
Posted by: Stefan Sharkansky on December 29, 2005 02:10 PMThanks for you ceaseless efforts to see that elections are run fairly. Please don't ever stop.
Posted by: pbj on December 29, 2005 02:14 PMI hate it when it takes time to get your response to these bozos.
Posted by: Deadwood on December 29, 2005 02:14 PM2. I am tired of hearing about the murdering Taliban. They have been rendered useless. We have soldiers walking around in Afghanistan and no Bin Laden to show for it. Hmmmmmmm....
3. The Patiot Act is far too reaching. Just another move boosted by screaming terrorists. I want to go to the library and KNOW that what I read is my business. (just one example) There are many Republican legislators who now want to end or severely curtail the act. Polls show the public agrees.
4. King County is BLUE, the population of WA is concentrated here. Perhaps you would like to make two states of ours. Eastern or Right WA and Western or Left WA. I will help you pack your trucks up for the drive to parts east.
All the bluster to disenfranchise the homeless is bulloney. Would you tell me where you would register if you don't have an address? Or do you RIGHT WINGNUTS now want to only allow homeowners to vote. Lets take it a step futher. No one votes without approval of the Republican party. Explain how to protect those who live on boats, in cars, in buses, under bridges, etc etc..........
You don't want these people to vote because they overwhelmingly vote Democratic. So do most of the larger cities and densely populated areas. Republicans are desperate to hang on to power, but history shows that about every 20 years or so, the pendulum swings the other way. It is what makes our nation strong, this peaceful change of direction. Live with it. The rest of us have for over 200 years.
Extremeists frighten me, on both sides of spectrum. Most Americans are middle of the road. They don't post here, they just sit quietly and wait to make change the real way. THEY VOTE!!!!
But wait, whats that, the Republicans don't want them to vote, voting and free choice are bad if I vote against the Republicans. So you need to stop me. You can try, but the courts have held to one simple fact in all the cases. THE RIGHT TO VOTE IS PARAMOUNT, any action to hinder or change the rules is quashed. There is a reason for that. Without the power of a vote, "We The People" becomes a meaningless phrase.
Enjoy the rest of your day.
Dug
Posted by: DugoutNut on December 29, 2005 02:31 PMNow go back to the bong.
Posted by: Amused by liberal bull$hit on December 29, 2005 02:40 PMDon't do drugs, maybe I should start, I might then understand the RIGHTWINGNUT ways.
Dug
Posted by: DugoutNut on December 29, 2005 02:51 PMWhy ? . . . you're not using any of them anyway.
Posted by: Amused by liberals on December 29, 2005 02:54 PM1. There is no proof the Iraqi's had honest elections.
There is no proof Washington has had honest elections, at least the UN has given its approval of the Iraqi elections!
2. I am tired of hearing about the murdering Taliban. They have been rendered useless. We have soldiers walking around in Afghanistan and no Bin Laden to show for it. Hmmmmmmm....
Yeah, that is what Democrat Barbara Lee said on 911. Liberals used to taunt our military about getting Saddam too. Although it would have been nice if Clinton had simply picked up Bin Laden when Sudan offered him up on a platter. Perhaps 911 would have been avoided.
3. The Patiot Act is far too reaching. Just another move boosted by screaming terrorists. I want to go to the library and KNOW that what I read is my business. (just one example) There are many Republican legislators who now want to end or severely curtail the act. Polls show the public agrees.
Al Qaeda agrees with you.
4. King County is BLUE, the population of WA is concentrated here. Perhaps you would like to make two states of ours. Eastern or Right WA and Western or Left WA. I will help you pack your trucks up for the drive to parts east.
Well, if I were under an opressive taxation system and Tamany Hall style Democrat Party bosses, I'd be blue too! ;)
All the bluster about disenfranchising is disingenuous. Simply put, UW students from Communist China, felons and Dead People vote Democrat. That is why you defend them voting. If they voted Republican, you can bet your bottom dollar that Ron Simms would be purging names left and right.
Enjoy the reat of your kool-aid my friend.
December 28, 2005--Sixty-four percent (64%) of Americans believe the National Security Agency (NSA) should be allowed to intercept telephone conversations between terrorism suspects in other countries and people living in the United States. A Rasmussen Reports survey found that just 23% disagree.
Sixty-eight percent (68%) of Americans say they are following the NSA story somewhat or very closely.
Just 26% believe President Bush is the first to authorize a program like the one currently in the news. Forty-eight percent (48%) say he is not while 26% are not sure.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/NSA.htm
Have a nice day Dug!
Dug never read about William "Wild Bill" Donovan or "Intrepid," and the origination of our intelligence services including the spying, wiretapping, seizure of property and other "illegal" things that went on during the FDR and Truman administrations. They were necessary then, and they are necessary now. FDR was a dogmatic socialist twerp, who utterly failed for three terms as President to alleviate or decrease the depression, but he could be trusted with our national security almost as much as we can trust GW Bush.
Posted by: Amused by duggie doodle goodrightous on December 29, 2005 03:41 PMDuggie doodle with his Barbara Striesand imitation says, But wait, whats that, golly whiz, jumpin non-sequitur batman, the Republicans don't want them to vote, voting and free choice are bad if I vote against the Republicans. So you need to stop me. You can try, but the courts have held to one simple fact in all the cases. THE RIGHT TO VOTE IS PARAMOUNT, any action to hinder or change the rules is quashed. There is a reason for that."
Without the power of a vote, "We The People" becomes a meaningless phrase.
Wow.
Thanks duggie doodle.
We all get your drift.
Now go back to your bong moron.
1) Your car is stolen. Do you
A) Ask the police to investigate; or
B) Say, "Water under the bridge, spilt milk, forget about it"?
2) A co-worker's spouse disappears. He talks about it every day. Do you
A) Listen sympathetically; or
B) Tell him, "Move on. Belly aching is unbecoming"?
duggie-do-right is convinced of his notions and nuttin you say is gonna penetrate that thick skull of his.
To my dismay, he isn't alone in his delusions, but, with the exception of "enlightened Seattle" his perversion of reality is in the distinct minority.
You go dug! Tell us another whopper!
Posted by: alphabet soup on December 29, 2005 06:51 PMGreat arguments pbj. Kudos.
Happy New Year!
Posted by: Amused by liberals on December 29, 2005 06:53 PMYou go on though, impress your fellow RightWingNuts.
Dug
Posted by: DugoutNut on December 29, 2005 10:13 PMAmusing indeed.
Posted by: Amused by Duggie do right on December 29, 2005 11:22 PMWhat do you wanna bet he'll next resort to the "I know you are, but what about me" ploy?
Whatta turd ;'}
Posted by: alphabet soup on December 30, 2005 08:24 AMAmusing that he benefits us with the spectacle though.
All night to think of something and still you folks can't muster anything clever, or biting. No wonder your party is going to waste. No free thinkers. Just folks who feed each others need to hear what you want to hear. What you should hear is the whooosh that is the sound of the winds of change. But I all y'all hear is the sound of air passing through your empty heads.
Spectacle? Gee, this two bit blog that I read for entertainment? Please. I enjoy reading opposing points of view. Sometimes I am swayed to change my opinion, sometimes it reinforces my original opinion. Here on (un)Sound Politics I find that there is nothing to fear from the RIGHTWINGNUTS who populate and staff this site.
Sign me....
Amused by RIGHTWINGNUTS
Happy New Year!
You were right.
Narcissist compulsive egocentric supposition that everything is about him.
Projection/defense mechanism.
We don't have to try to obfuscate with clever quips when the facts support our position.
Posted by: pbj on December 30, 2005 03:34 PM"Sometimes I am swayed to change my opinion," Bull shiite. It is quite clear that we've nothing to say that will sway your thinking towards lucidity - and I'm here to tell you that you have nothing to offer that normal people are likely to consider, so why don't you just FO?
I'm sure you will be able to locate a suitable echo chamber that will reflect your views nicely.
Or not.
Personally I find you a laugh riot. At your expense, of course.....
Posted by: alphabet soup on December 30, 2005 07:47 PMI am funny. You are all sad little men.
By the way, I think the proper diagnosis for me is OCD. I can' stop coming back to see what new conspiracy you have "uncovered". I wish I could stop. My doctor says that laughing is good for your health, if that is so after reading this site I will surely live to 127 year old and counting.
I win!
Amused by RIGHTWINGNUTS
Posted by: Amused by RIGHTWINGNUTS on December 30, 2005 10:39 PMYou are funny.... only not in the way you think.
Tell us another one nutdug.....
Posted by: alphabet soup on December 31, 2005 01:53 AMJust wondering if Stefan has checked out the email address you use here. The anti-semetic slur (the Jewish equivalant of the "N" word)it contains is reprehensible, vile and disgusting. I suppose it is an accurate reflection of you and your total lack of any kind of principle.
I will no longer respond to anything you post. You are a disingenuous, viporous,hate mongering, ignorant excuse for a human life form. You are wasting air. Do us all a favor and leave the planet immediately.
I am a Jew. I am proud of my heritage, both as an American and as a Jew. You crossed the line.
Hey Stefan, you might want to look at his email address. Just to clear things up, it contains the "K" word. Nice.
Posted by: Amused by RIGHTWINGNUTS on December 31, 2005 08:03 AMYou got a problem with me and want me off the planet - I welcome you to try and remove me, you coward.
Any time, any place......
Posted by: alphabet soup on December 31, 2005 10:26 AMSo much for the,
"1. The open exchange of ideas," eh?
You are a bigoted idiot who thinks he has a pre-eminent right to smear others on the basis of his insipid racist reasoning, and his hide-bound narcissistic cultural hypersensitivity.
Stefan knew about Rich Kiker before any of the rest of us. Is Stefan also a racist because Rich Kiker's name is Rich Kiker you racist buffoon? You talk about no class!!
What would you believe if his name would have been Rich Hunky, or Rich Niger, or Rich Beener dip-$hit?
Soup doesn't have an anti-Semitic bone in his body, but obviously you do.
If you had any class at all you'd apologize to Soup, stupid. We won't hold our breaths.
How amusing indeed.
Posted by: Amused by Carl Howard on December 31, 2005 03:54 PMNothing shuts him up.
He's a shameless liberal twit, what can you expect.
He's proud of it, and that's what makes it humorous.